Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, pied said: TLDR version. If the games aren't competitive, how can you argue depth? Depth is defined by the differing teams that make up the lopsided wins as I listed, the quality of the games is a different issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: Depth is defined by the differing teams that make up the lopsided wins as I listed, the quality of the games is a different issue So Pied didn't define them like you said. That's your view on things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, steeler01 said: So Pied didn't define them like you said. That's your view on things No, I said he defined the have and have nots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Horsefly said: No, I said he defined the have and have nots. But he didn't. Nowhere did me mention the haves and have nots. Please show me the mention of the teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, steeler01 said: But he didn't. Nowhere did me mention the haves and have nots. Please show me the mention of the teams He didn’t mention the teams, he used scores to identify the outcome of the have and have nots. He stated 6A is defined by them. Well who are these teams? That’s when I entered … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 You ran with, the haves are the teams beating up on the semifinal opponents in a given year. There is 17 different teams that have done that in the 5 year span that shows depth. It actually doesn't show that. What it shows is there's a separation between a certain ranked team to a certain ranked team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, steeler01 said: You ran with, the haves are the teams beating up on the semifinal opponents in a given year. There is 17 different teams that have done that in the 5 year span that shows depth. It actually doesn't show that. What it shows is there's a separation between a certain ranked team to a certain ranked team Rankings are subjective. Do you know what north shores rankings were at the end of the regular season? Do you know the D2 favorite to make it to the finals based on rankings was Heath, the D1 favorite was SLC. Neither made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Rankings are subjective. Do you know what north shores rankings were at the end of the regular season? Do you know the D2 favorite to make it to the finals based on rankings was Heath, the D1 favorite was SLC. Neither made it. Yes they are, but they're usually very close. Northshore was favored to make the final. I predicted that and that wasn't hard for anybody to guess. Division 2 I had Guyer playing Westlake. All verified here. Unless you have all your teams in a division vying for the same 🏆 claiming depth by using the different amount of semi finalists doesn't make sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pied Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Depth is defined by the differing teams that make up the lopsided wins as I listed, the quality of the games is a different issue What that tells me is that more teams "can" be good in a season, not that they "are". Also of interest in these numbers, there are 256 teams per year or 1,024 teams in the past four years. NINE spots of the final 16 were from three schools. Granted only nine of 24 for the past six years, but still pretty remarkable conistiency 2021: Westlake, Duncanville, north shore, guyer, 2020: Westlake, southlake, cedar hill, Katy 2019: Westlake, Guyer, north shore, Duncanville 2018: longview, Westbrook, Duncanville, north shore 2017: Cy fair, midway, lake travis, Allen 2016: Desoto, Steele, woodlands, lake travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, steeler01 said: Yes they are, but they're usually very close. Northshore was favored to make the final. I predicted that and that wasn't hard for anybody to guess. Division 2 I had Guyer playing Westlake. All verified here. Unless you have all your teams in a division vying for the same 🏆 claiming depth by using the different amount of semi finalists doesn't make sense I said already rankings don’t matter, results do . North shore was ranked 7th going into the playoffs and Heath was the 3rd highest ranked D2 team behind Westlake and Katy. this was an exercise in outcomes, not rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: I said already rankings don’t matter, results do . North shore was ranked 7th going into the playoffs and Heath was the 3rd highest ranked D2 team behind Westlake and Katy. this was an exercise in outcomes, not rankings Heath was ranked 3rd in one ranking, not everyone had them ranked 3rd in division 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, pied said: What that tells me is that more teams "can" be good in a season, not that they "are". Also of interest in these numbers, there are 256 teams per year or 1,024 teams in the past four years. NINE spots of the final 16 were from three schools. Granted only nine of 24 for the past six years, but still pretty remarkable conistiency 2021: Westlake, Duncanville, north shore, guyer, 2020: Westlake, southlake, cedar hill, Katy 2019: Westlake, Guyer, north shore, Duncanville 2018: longview, Westbrook, Duncanville, north shore 2017: Cy fair, midway, lake travis, Allen 2016: Desoto, Steele, woodlands, lake travis What’s considered good is subjective. Outcomes is reasonable and fair. A team advancing far into the playoffs is a reasonable measure Those teams highlighted have been more consistent. We’ve always had teams go on a championship run for a few years. I’m not arguing that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, steeler01 said: Heath was ranked 3rd in one ranking, not everyone had them ranked 3rd in division 2 They were behind only to D2s Westlake and Katy in the official AP poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Horsefly said: What’s considered good is subjective. Outcomes is reasonable and fair. A team advancing far into the playoffs is a reasonable measure Depends on the competition. Lake Travis is a perfect example of this not being true this past year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, steeler01 said: Depends on the competition. Lake Travis is a perfect example of this not being true this past year A perfect example of what? Lake travis was on the wrong end of the beat down in the semifinals this year so not sure what they’re an example of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Horsefly said: They were behind only to D2s Westlake and Katy in the official AP poll. Guyer was behind 3 teams two of which they couldn't play till the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: A perfect example of what? Lake travis was on the wrong end of the beat down in the semifinals this year so not sure what they’re an example of A perfect example that a team going deep means nothing about their quality of football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, steeler01 said: Guyer was behind 3 teams two of which they couldn't play till the final Guyer was behind Heath, they would have played them in the region but tomball said otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, steeler01 said: A perfect example that a team going deep means nothing about their quality of football Well it shows how well did they vs their regional opponents. Lake travis was a regional power (region 4) not a statewide one. I think the state tournament generally reveals all of this at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Guyer was behind Heath, they would have played them in the region but tomball said otherwise But it proves the ranking aren't far off. Guyer, the 2nd seeded team on their side of the bracket made the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Let's take a closer look at how the top ap teams did in the playoffs in division 1 Carroll 1 Seed(Semifinalist) Duncanville 2 Seed(Finalist) Westfield 3 Seed(Thumped by Desoto) NorthShore 4 Seed(none of the teams above were on their side of the bracket) Top Seed on their side of the bracket Spring 5th Seed(Thumped by Duncanville) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 So what we had was 1 Seed vs 2 Seed 1 Seed vs 2 Seed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, steeler01 said: But it proves the ranking aren't far off. Guyer the 2nd seeded team on their side of the bracket made the final Based on rankings the D1 title should have been: SLC over NS. D2 should have been: Westlake over Rockwall Heath. the rankings were right with picking 2 of the 4 teams and 1 out of the 2 outcomes. 1. Austin Westlake10-0 (D2) Reg 4 2. Katy10-0 (D2) Reg 3 3. Southlake Carroll10-0 (D1) Reg 1 4. Duncanville8-1 (D1) Reg 2 5. Rockwall-Heath9-1 (D2) Reg 2 6. Spring Westfield10-0 (D1) Reg 2 7. GP North Shore9-1 (D1) reg 3 8. Spring9-1 (D1) reg 2 9. Denton Guyer9-1 (D1) reg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Based on rankings the D1 title should have been: SLC over NS. D2 should have been: Westlake over Rockwall Heath. the rankings were right with picking 2 of the 4 teams and 1 out of the 2 outcomes. 1. Austin Westlake10-0 (D2) Reg 4 2. Katy10-0 (D2) Reg 3 3. Southlake Carroll10-0 (D1) Reg 1 4. Duncanville8-1 (D1) Reg 2 5. Rockwall-Heath9-1 (D2) Reg 2 6. Spring Westfield10-0 (D1) Reg 2 7. GP North Shore9-1 (D1) reg 3 8. Spring9-1 (D1) reg 2 9. Denton Guyer9-1 (D1) reg 1 Going by those rankings yes. Going by calpreps, the right teams were in the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Let's take a closer look at how the top ap teams did in the playoffs in division 1 Carroll 1 Seed(Semifinalist) Duncanville 2 Seed(Finalist) Westfield 3 Seed(Thumped by Desoto) NorthShore 4 Seed(none of the teams above were on their side of the bracket) Top Seed on their side of the bracket Spring 5th Seed(Thumped by Duncanville) and NS won the whole thing, better than the 3 seeds ahead of them. So what does that say about rankings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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