Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, concha said: Have the last <<no doubt stupid and dishonest>> word, Andy. You pick the topic. I'm taking a break. I will. My topic will be facts. Look at everything I've posted. The one above is particularly good given how badly I exposed your hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: wE’rE a rEPuBLiC nOt A dEMoCRacY I'll paraphrase for you lazy fucks. The most impressive thing about the ubiquitous comment-section incantation “We’re a republic, not a democracy” is its versatility. Those six simple words fill the very different needs of several key demographics in the ascendant right. For glib elitist types who openly believe in their own superiority, it is a straightforward endorsement of paternalistic, Burkean, “your interests, not your will” representation. To Fox News Stepdads who have spent decades venerating the Founding Fathers and the Constitution, it is an appeal to authority—So was it written, by the great Men themselves!—with the condescending tone natural to the mediocre white guy who doesn’t know what he’s talking about but is certain of its accuracy. And in the most common scenario, it is simply a way to create the appearance of having said something profound while saying nothing at all. In the end, invoking republicanism is little more than a way out for the many Americans who honestly think they support government Of, By, and For the People but are perfectly happy with undemocratic processes that produce the outcomes they want. ----- It is a cheap rhetorical sleight-of-hand, then, to justify outcomes or processes on the basis that America is “not a democracy,” not that such a statement is ever made as a legitimate argument in good faith. In practice, its use is to one of three ends. First, as a non-sequitur defense of institutions that distribute political power unequally like the Electoral College or the Senate. The country is not a pure democracy with them and would not be a pure democracy were both abolished tomorrow and replaced. The “logic” here is that the existence of undemocratic or simply unfair institutions is justified by the fact that the country is not . . . an entirely different and unrelated kind of democracy. If that sounds stupid, it is. Second, it is an argument against any vaguely majoritarian institution or idea. This is done with the utmost selectivity, as I am old enough to remember when “The majority of people oppose it” was considered a mic-drop argument against same-sex marriage. Invoke the will of the people one minute; the next—say, when large majorities want basic gun control legislation—smugly chuckle and say, “Sorry, buddy, read the Constitution: this here’s not a democracy.” Appeals to the will of the masses are often a last-ditch argument of convenience. Third, and most troubling, is resorting to this phrase in defense of discretionary actions taken by political actors—like the president or Supreme Court. Every time the current president declares some breathtakingly dumb decision he makes after his six neurons fire simultaneously during Fox & Friends, defenders are quick to trot out the phrase as if anyone honestly thinks that presidential decision-making might be subject to a national plebiscite. In this usage, the argument is little more than a red herring, using the absence of mob-rule democracy as a justification of whatever lamentable actions are taken by the people elected or appointed to act on our behalf in accordance with Madison’s republicanism. Whether elected directly by voters or appointed through other processes, people in power make bad decisions—to which the nature of our system of government is not relevant. To say that the United States is not a democracy is correct if democracy is defined in a way that no government on Earth, past or present, qualifies as one. It is as useful to say, “The Vietnam War wasn’t a war, because Congress didn’t declare war.” To people who believe their intelligence is miles wide but don’t realize that it is only an inch deep, pointing out that the we elect people to make decisions for us may seem incisive. To anyone else, it sounds like what it is: someone with Morning Zoo Crew DJ politics trying, and failing, to sound smart while defending the indefensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Trump has backed out of the debate. Debate Commission said it had to be virtual, Biden was fine with it, Trump refused. Biden said he hopes they will re-schedule it for the following week...once the President isn't a biological hazard to those in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, DownSouth said: Trump has backed out of the debate. Debate Commission said it had to be virtual, Biden was fine with it, Trump refused. Biden said he hopes they will re-schedule it for the following week...once the President isn't a biological hazard to those in attendance. Remember when Biden was going to pull out of the debates and his people were afraid of facing Trump? 👇 On 7/9/2020 at 7:50 AM, Nolebull813 said: If you believe in Biden’s vision for America, then you should be begging for him to do live debates. It would show the country firsthand what he has in store. All this bullshit this liberal kook wrote was more in fear of showing Biden’s true colors. They need him locked away from the public so he doesn’t show the world how mentally declined he really is. You can google Biden gaffes and see hours of bumbling and stumbling. They are scared because they know Trump will force him to admit that he is for open borders, abolishing the police, socialism, and basically destroying the country. The people controlling the strings don’t want that to happen. That’s why they will sabotage a debate at all costs. On 7/9/2020 at 9:16 AM, concha said: It is so bad for Slow Joe now that he is challenged to even follow a teleprompted message. The left is looking to have him avoid Trump for several reasons. His diminished mental faculties are clear and center. Add in trying to defend the assault on law and order, which most Americans find appalling. Also add destroying America's energy independence and promoting the uber-retarded Green New Deal. Add in the risk of Slow Joe having to defend his rather chequered past on race and criminal justice legislation... The left wants to ride home on the back of their control of the MSM and the online media oligarchy of Facebook, Google, Twitter etc. Frankly, keeping Joe in the basement with his crayons is a good idea, as long as their media shills can keep the American public focused elsewhere. On 7/9/2020 at 11:15 AM, zulu1128 said: It's actually a great move. Biden's people obviously have zero desire to put him on a debate stage. That's pretty clear. This is basically a method for Biden to back out of debating and still blame Drumpf. Pretty clever TBH. On 7/9/2020 at 11:20 AM, HSFBfan said: Since 50% of this country feels that biden is losing his facilities if he doesn't debate it would just solidify that sentiment. They don't want him to debate since he would fumble with his words while trump would destroy him. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Remember when Biden was going to pull out of the debates and his people were afraid of facing Trump? 👇 🤡 I remember when those posts were in reaction to a NYT oped expressing worry about Biden debating. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: concha just decried the 36% Presidency of Allende because it was far from a majority. But now considers the majority to be mob rule. Which only proves that concha will say whatever he has to in the moment to make his point. When his side loses it's bad because it wasn't a majority. When his side wins with less than a majority it's good because it's a protection against mob rule. The guy has no standards. @conchahas a cold totalitarian heart. He would like us to revert to some form of slavery not just for minorities but for all who lack capital. He is a dishonest and evil human being. The world will not miss him when he depart it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: @conchahas a cold totalitarian heart. He would like us to revert to some form of slavery not just for minorities but for all who lack capital. He is a dishonest and evil human being. The world will not miss him when he depart it. Hilarious. My children are members of a minority. You are such a completely dishonest turd that it boggles the imagination. I'd ask you to document all evidence of your imbecilic and totally dishonest fantasy, but we both know you have none and just a lying asshat. I've stepped in piles of dogshit more worthy of respect than you. If you were on fire I wouldn't cross the street to piss on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, concha said: Have the last <<no doubt stupid and dishonest>> word, Andy. You pick the topic. I'm taking a break. And thanks for the entertainment. Stay mad, Andy! 😠 LMAO... Stay mad Andy? Being that you insult everybody in nearly every post it seems that you are the one who seems mad. Can you even post in a manner that isn't like a 12 year old. If your posts weren't so purposefully disingenuous I would feel almost sorry for you but you are so I don't. Maybe you can try honesty and civility as a new tactic because what you have always done (dishonest, insulting) has not been very persuasive or compelling. But I get it, it's not very pleasant getting your ass kicked by Canes on the regular so you do what all mental midgets do and that is to lie and insult and make shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, World Citizen said: Stay mad Andy? Being that you insult everybody in nearly every post it seems that you are the one who seems mad. Can you even post in a manner that isn't like a 12 year old. If your posts weren't so purposefully disingenuous I would feel almost sorry for you but you are so I don't. Maybe you can try honesty and civility as a new tactic because what you have always done (dishonest, insulting) has not been very persuasive or compelling. But I get it, it's not very pleasant getting your ass kicked by Canes on the regular so you do what all mental midgets do and that is to lie and insult and make shit up. Except that Andy is the one doing that. But thanks for showing up to give your pal the reach-around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, concha said: I remember when those posts were in reaction to a NYT oped expressing worry about Biden debating. 🤡 That's on you for being manipulated by a freaking op-ed instead of anything said by a Biden official (that were saying the entire time they were confirmed for 3 debates). And I don't recall it being a sense of "worry" but more so it being "he shouldn't because Trump will lie like crazy and he should demand fact-checking..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, DownSouth said: That's on you for being manipulated by a freaking op-ed instead of anything said by a Biden official (that were saying the entire time they were confirmed for 3 debates). And I don't recall it being a sense of "worry" but more so it being "he shouldn't because Trump will lie like crazy and he should demand fact-checking..." Yeah, it was just that guy who was uncomfortable with Joe debating. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, concha said: Yeah, it was just that guy who was uncomfortable with Joe debating. 👍 So you assumed Biden would cower and back out, AFTER he'd already agreed to 3 debates...because some op-ed writers (from the media you despise) wrote a few columns about why he shouldn't debate? And again, I don't recall any of those saying he wasn't capable, merely that he shouldn't because Trump would show no respect to any part of it (which actually did turn out to be true) You based your opinion on that instead of anything from anyone actually associated with Biden or his campaign? Seems a bit silly on your part to blame this on "various op-ed writers" when a lot of us were saying he wasn't going to back out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, concha said: My children are members of a minority. When cornered concha always goes for the brown children trope. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, concha said: You are such a completely dishonest turd that it boggles the imagination. The facts would would actually show that you're the dishonest turd in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, concha said: If you were on fire I wouldn't cross the street to piss on you. But if Pinochet was there you'd cross the street to praise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 42 minutes ago, concha said: I remember when those posts were in reaction to a NYT oped expressing worry about Biden debating. 🤡 Always an excuse for your stupidity in retrospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Stay mad Andy? Being that you insult everybody in nearly every post it seems that you are the one who seems mad. No doubt. He's a deranged and lonely man who paid a women for years to not sleep with him. It's pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, concha said: Yeah, it was just that guy who was uncomfortable with Joe debating. 👍 It was. Every reasonable person who had followed the campaign knew that Biden had already participated 11 debates. And they would also know that the only person who had actually pulled out of a debate in his political career was Donald Trump. But clowns will be clowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: When cornered concha always goes for the brown children trope. Pathetic. His children, Augusto and Pino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Atticus Finch said: When cornered concha always goes for the brown children trope. Pathetic. Cornered? 🤣 Do you ever look at the stupid shit you type and read it back to yourself? 🤡 That clown is basically saying I'd support oppression of my kids. To (thankfully) childless Andy, that's a trope. What a laughable turd Andy is. LMAO It's no wonder that no self-respecting woman on earth would touch Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, DownSouth said: His children, Augusto and Pino. Curious, DS, do you happen to have kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, concha said: Cornered? 🤣 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, concha said: Curious, DS, do you happen to have kids? A woman worked you over and took your money, dude. Why do you even go down these roads? You get self-owned every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: Yep. 🤡 Damn but you are laughable. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 When given another chance to distance himself from a murderous dictator concha refuses and instead asks DownSouth if he has kids. 🤔 Why? Because he supports Pinochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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