golfaddict1 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 http://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2017/07/19/former-don-bosco-coach-greg-toal-joins-bergen-catholic/491933001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Pretty cool looking at the pictures and reading the blurbs. He looked so young at his press conference when he first got hired at DBP. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, AztecPadre said: Pretty cool looking at the pictures and reading the blurbs. He looked so young at his press conference when he first got hired at DBP. Lol. 99 his first year. He went 0-2 against BC his first year. Than probably went 20-3 after ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 He starts and ends his career at the same school. But does it really help BC? Ive said it that Nunzio needed Toal. So now that he is at BC does the philosophy of the team change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeybern Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: He starts and ends his career at the same school. But does it really help BC? Ive said it that Nunzio needed Toal. So now that he is at BC does the philosophy of the team change? I think it does to a degree..with both Toal & Stengel on board I believe Nunzio will be less inclined to gamble..they will preach more discipline in the play calling. I don't believe they signed on to the wild west philosophy. Lets face it, they were brought in to teach and mentor the kids, with discipline being a large part of the job. That won't work if the coaching staff doesn't reciprocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Mickeybern said: I think it does to a degree..with both Toal & Stengel on board I believe Nunzio will be less inclined to gamble..they will preach more discipline in the play calling. I don't believe they signed on to the wild west philosophy. Lets face it, they were brought in to teach and mentor the kids, with discipline being a large part of the job. That won't work if the coaching staff doesn't reciprocate. Thats what im hoping. Been saying for years Nunzio needed a guy like toal to rope him in and stop with the 4th and 25 and lets go for it mentality. I would like to see the big uglies up front get more physical like toal did over at DBP and pound the ball. I know the game today is air it out but with Langan back there with Johnson and McKenzie as long as Mckenzie doesnt get hurt they can do somethings with running the ball and killing clock which would be especially helpful in the MD game. Maybe now with toal there Nunzio can focus on developing Langan a bit more with his arm since Nunzio is usually pretty good with developing Qbs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeybern Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Thats what im hoping. Been saying for years Nunzio needed a guy like toal to rope him in and stop with the 4th and 25 and lets go for it mentality. I would like to see the big uglies up front get more physical like toal did over at DBP and pound the ball. I know the game today is air it out but with Langan back there with Johnson and McKenzie as long as Mckenzie doesnt get hurt they can do somethings with running the ball and killing clock which would be especially helpful in the MD game. Maybe now with toal there Nunzio can focus on developing Langan a bit more with his arm since Nunzio is usually pretty good with developing Qbs yeah I don't think he would have gone out and hired his mentor and predecessor to help him if he wanted to stay with business as usual. It really would make zero sense. Nunzio has a lot of pressure on him to win. He's looking for the advice as much as anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mickeybern said: yeah I don't think he would have gone out and hired his mentor and predecessor to help him if he wanted to stay with business as usual. It really would make zero sense. Nunzio has a lot of pressure on him to win. He's looking for the advice as much as anything else. Exactly. I have to feel like the pressure is mounting in Oradell. No state titles since 2004. PC in that time has come from the bottom and teams beating them up to winning multiple state titles. I spoke to a parent or two about the pressure a couple of years ago and one guy basically stated that he personally didnt care about ever winning a state title as long as the education at the schools stays at the level that its at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: He's the majority. HSs IH, NH, Po, NVD, etc are actually superior academically. So if your in one of those districts theres no reason to go to the big private schools. Esp if all you care about is the academics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeybern Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Exactly. I have to feel like the pressure is mounting in Oradell. No state titles since 2004. PC in that time has come from the bottom and teams beating them up to winning multiple state titles. I spoke to a parent or two about the pressure a couple of years ago and one guy basically stated that he personally didnt care about ever winning a state title as long as the education at the schools stays at the level that its at. 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: He's the minority. HSs like IH, NH, Po, NVOT, NVD, etc are actually superior academically. That's a tough one to claim GSB..All those schools are very good and imo comparable. Depends on what kind of environment you are looking for for your kid..But from an academic standpoint they all offer a superior education than most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Yes. Academics over athletics w them. Limited to no college exposure athletically for most. So again why send your kids to the big privates and pay the money if your gonna go to NVD or PO or IH etc etc if all you care about is academics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipcep Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Yes. Academics over athletics w them. Limited to no college exposure athletically for most. and no Catholic education...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Zipcep said: and no Catholic education...... Truely tho does that matter? More kids get a public school education then a catholic education Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeybern Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: So again why send your kids to the big privates and pay the money if your gonna go to NVD or PO or IH etc etc if all you care about is academics. There you get into why, in my opinion the privates have spent so much time and money on their athletic programs. First, it was the decline of the religious orders (the catholics slave labor force in the classrooms) that led to the tremendous increase in tuitions. When I graduated BC in '89 the tuition was $2400. Second, NJ property taxes are in the top 3 in the country. Third, the Bergen county publics have a large wealthy tax base that allows them to compete academically. Put that all together and the 3 main reasons would be a) you don't have a care about money, b) you believe in a religious education and the extra discipline that the catholic schools can I still do require or c) better athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Mickeybern said: There you get into why, in my opinion the privates have spent so much time and money on their athletic programs. First, it was the decline of the religious orders (the catholics slave labor force in the classrooms) that led to the tremendous increase in tuitions. When I graduated BC in '89 the tuition was $2400. Second, NJ property taxes are in the top 3 in the country. Third, the Bergen county publics have a large wealthy tax base that allows them to compete academically. Put that all together and the 3 main reasons would be a) you don't have a care about money, b) you believe in a religious education and the extra discipline that the catholic schools can I still do require or c) better athletics. Makes sense.. Those really would be the 3 main reasons you would send your kids. And i guess if you dont care about the athletics then the other 2 still apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeybern Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Makes sense.. Those really would be the 3 main reasons you would send your kids. And i guess if you dont care about the athletics then the other 2 still apply. The class demographics in the catholic schools have changed. It used to be a healthy mix but mostly drawn from the middle class. No way my plumber father could afford to send his 3 kids to BC and Holy Angels today. They have gravitated to the wealthier people and have had to give substantial aid to middle and lower income kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Mickeybern said: The class demographics in the catholic schools have changed. It used to be a healthy mix but mostly drawn from the middle class. No was my plumber father could afford to send his 3 kids to BC and Holy Angels today. They have gravitated to the wealthier people and have had to give substantial aid to middle and lower income kids Gotcha. Yea the tuition at BC and such probably compares to the tuition of BCC which is just incredible. There are more and more catholic schools closing so it will be interesting to see which ones are left at the end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipcep Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Truely tho does that matter? More kids get a public school education then a catholic education Maybe to a no-believer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Zipcep said: Maybe to a no-believer Both my parents went to catholic schools. But that was because it was significantly better then the public schools in Brooklyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Yes. To many of us. Obviously lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stache Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Coach Toal has wanted a crack at the 3stripes since the 1990's. Ever since I locked him (naked) out of our hotel room during the Nike coaches clinic in Tampa. The worst part was the fire alarm also went off at the same time, and everyone came out of their rooms. #memories 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Yes. To many of us. How many kids tho that play sports are actually there for the catholic education and not just for the athletic portion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipcep Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: How many kids tho that play sports are actually there for the catholic education and not just for the athletic portion Mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Zipcep said: Mine I guess thats all you can really speak for is yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Wing Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Glad this Toal/ Stengel thing is done. As far as them adding control and patience to Nunzio's game plans etc, we must remember that his main influence is his dad, Mike. Through the years "AIR Campanile" has been the offense that has always drawn the most attention in North Jersey. From the Pee Wee Raiders of Fair Lawn, the Campaniles" have always been the offensive high scoring team. The philosophy has always been whoever scores the most will win. I really don't see these "legends" taming the young coach in year 1. It will be a process over the next several years. Acceptance of the Marine discipline might be a tough pill for these athletes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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