Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, badrouter said: I also maintain that Osceola is better than many realize. And and so was 2019 Plant City, 2020 Bloomingdale, etc. Ironically, all teams that Lakeland played and needed to pump for selfish reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, badrouter said: Their ugly win over Treasure Coast doesn't look nearly as bad now given STA also had an ugly win over TC. Every game Treasure Coast is in is ugly by nature. They run a double tight Wing T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, badrouter said: Jason Negro, and Bruce Rollinson love the limelight too. So, does the SFA coach. And on and on. But those teams are good and are trying to find tough opponents. Lakeland is practically never interested in finding tough opponents, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, badrouter said: I'm too lazy to look right now, but I'm fairly certain some limitations were put into place after those years. Like what? Lakeland pays teams from 4 hours away to come to Polk to take a beating and cash a check. They couldn't do that for an OOS team? Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, badrouter said: Bill Castle is 237 years old. He's not interested in riding on a cramped bus with stinky players for six hours in the middle of the night after a game. Then he should retire. But he won't since he *is* Lakeland's program and he will probably die coaching the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: They can also better evaluate themselves and/or toughen up by playing quality opponents. Well, there's some truth to that. However, I happen to think the value in what you describe is severely overrated. Lake Gibson is a great example of this. They traveled to play American Heritage. It was said playing that game would help make LG a better team. This despite the fact that AH is waayyy better than LG and easily forced a running clock. So, how did that turn out for LG? LG proceeded to go lose at a weak Lehigh team, and then were effortlessly blown out by Lee and Lakeland, each by a larger margin than AH beat them by. It's safe to say the 2022 LG team gained nothing from playing at AH. Playing tough teams doesn't result in better players suddenly showing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, badrouter said: However, I happen to think the value in what you describe is severely overrated. Of course you do because it's convenient for your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, badrouter said: Lake Gibson is a great example of this. They traveled to play American Heritage. Lake Gibson sucks so it's not an apt comparison to Mater Dei, etc. Lake Gibson is another team that you always claim is better than we think but almost never actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Castle apparently doesn't need to do anything any more except pad his win total. I think he's trying to be the John McKissick of Florida and there's no evidence to the contrary. He may well have his eye on the all-time wins total. My hunch is he'd like to pass Corky Rogers. He's the only coach of a nationally rated team with a prayer of reaching that many wins. None of the other coaches mentioned here can even consider such things. I don't think anyone really faults him for this. There's the criticism people make every year, but such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, badrouter said: I don't think anyone really faults him for this. I do. I find it unbecoming to use a high school program as a personal vehicle for one's ego. Funny that you think playing an OOS game is only for egomaniacs but sticking around as coach into your late 70s just to break the wins record somehow isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: And and so was 2019 Plant City, 2020 Bloomingdale, etc. Ironically, all teams that Lakeland played and needed to pump for selfish reasons. "...better than people realize" is relative. 2019 Plant City was indeed better than many realized. I can say that because most here thought they were a total zero joke. In reality, they had Mario Williams (now the 2nd best WR on a top 5 team) and beat Tampa Jesuit, who had several sophomores who'd win the 2021 state title playing a lot. 2020 was a weird, awful season. It's easy to get a lot wrong in that strange of a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, badrouter said: "...better than people realize" is relative. Which is why it's a bullshit weasel phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Like what? Lakeland pays teams from 4 hours away to come to Polk to take a beating and cash a check. They couldn't do that for an OOS team? Nonsense. The limitations are on Polk county teams traveling out of county. Not the other way around. I'm not saying they completely explain the lack of traveling. I don't really know on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, badrouter said: beat Tampa Jesuit, who had several sophomores who'd win the 2021 state title playing a lot. 😄 🤡 One day you're going to take of your mask and reveal yourself to be DLSPop in disguise like a Scooby Doo villain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Then he should retire. But he won't since he *is* Lakeland's program and he will probably die coaching the team. Why should he retire? He seems to still love doing the job, is still calling the plays as OC, and has powerful teams every year but the plague year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, badrouter said: 2020 was a weird, awful season. It's easy to get a lot wrong in that strange of a year. So then what's your excuse for whiffing on Plant City in 2019 and Lake Gibson in 2021? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, badrouter said: The limitations are on Polk county teams traveling out of county. Not the other way around. Then why can't they host a tough OOS opponent? The answer is that they can they just don't want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 13 hours ago, badrouter said: I must also say that describing Osceola merely as “with a pulse” is an absolute dogshit characterization. Let us not forget you once had Rockledge ahead of Lakeland. How did Rockledge fair on their home field vs. Osceola? 🤡 “With a pulse” is slang for the “only good team” I kept Osceola in my top 25 the whole time. I believe they are really good. with a pulse is not a diss, it’s a compliment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Of course you do because it's convenient for your argument. It might be convenient for my argument, but I really do think the tough schedule as a means of improving a current team is badly overrated. It may help attract players to future teams, though. Ultimately, it is experience and repetitions in general that lead to improvement. Those repetitions can be against teams of similar ability, less ability or more ability. They're all worth about the same. However, getting your skull dented by vastly superior opponents over and over can really harm team morale, and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, badrouter said: Why should he retire? He seems to still love doing the job, Because that's the fucking job. Taking long bus rides with high school kids. You just perfectly explained why he *doesn't* love the job. Sure, he loves it the way the Lakeland booster club allows him to do it. Take absolutely zero risk, play 8 home games a year and cruise on reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Lake Gibson sucks so it's not an apt comparison to Mater Dei, etc. Lake Gibson is another team that you always claim is better than we think but almost never actually is. Lake Gibson sucks. Their head coach was on Twitter boasting of how the AH game would make them better. It didn't make them better, not even relative to their weak starting position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, badrouter said: and has powerful teams every year but the plague year. LOL. They have one state championship in 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsMarketing Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, badrouter said: It's one thing to play a few of those games when all expenses are paid. But, to keep seeking them out, like a Venice does, can only be explained by an egomaniac coach looking to grab headlines for himself. There's also quite the difference between a private school in a major metropolitan area and a public school subject to county school board limitations. If someone trustworthy were to disclose some actual contractual terms offered to and rejected by Lakeland, I would be more able to offer an opinion on the matter. But, it's simple common sense to not want to be stuck riding many hours on a school bus through the middle of the night after a stressful game. So it's okay when it's all expenses paid but when both teams GAIN money and a team like Venice hosts it then he's being an egomaniac Venice looked somewhat competitive for a bit in that game (being they didn't get running clocked like you predicted) and they got a cut of TV revenue and a gate for the game but your telling me the best games Lakeland could get is Osceola and Apopka? Give me a break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsMarketing Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 And you think that makes Lakeland top 5 in the country and the best team in Florida over Central and Chaminade? 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsMarketing Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, badrouter said: Lake Gibson sucks. Their head coach was on Twitter boasting of how the AH game would make them better. It didn't make them better, not even relative to their weak starting position. May have been better if Lakeland didn't raid their kids through RECRUITING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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