Vegas shooting

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4 hours ago, World Citizen said:

Which Spock?  And who was funnier, Spock or Data?  

Spock.

Not even close.

[thc6795]

 

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[thc6795]

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who later died from the wound.
In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.
In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.
In 2009, a left wing radical Islamic sympathizer Major Nidal Hasan fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others on Fort Hood, near Killeen, Texas. The shooting produced more casualties than any other on an American military base.
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head thus wounding her for life.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.
In Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.
In 2016 a registered Muslim Democrat murdered 49 people in an Orlando night club.
One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does nothing.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in these shootings and murders.

Sounds like the maniacs hang with the Democratic party.

[15yds4gibberish]

18 hours ago, concha said:

IRS targeting of conservatives ring a bell?

Government workers/bureaucracies tending to be liberal?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/four-years-later-the-irs-tea-party-scandal-looks-very-different-it-may-not-even-be-a-scandal/2017/10/05/4e90c7ec-a9f7-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?utm_term=.fb56fb1e82ed

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/politics/irs-targeting-tea-party-liberals-democrats.html

 

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Just now, 15yds4gibberish said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/four-years-later-the-irs-tea-party-scandal-looks-very-different-it-may-not-even-be-a-scandal/2017/10/05/4e90c7ec-a9f7-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?utm_term=.fb56fb1e82ed

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/politics/irs-targeting-tea-party-liberals-democrats.html

 

WaPo and the NYT.

Pass.

[thc6795]

Might as well quoted TMZ

[dbcaptiron]

On 10/8/2017 at 2:29 PM, 15yds4gibberish said:

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[thc6795]

They have shown pictures of this sick fucks room. Guns laying everywhere and a note that supposedly talks about wind and elevation? I call bullshit. If you’re setting up a nest you wd have every one of those guns lined up next to you. Secondly how much frigging drop is a round going to have when shooting from 32 floors? He was supposedly shooting down. The rounds never lost velocity. Why no pictures of the spent brass? Speaking of brass that shit is hot as frick. I have burns to prove it. That much spent brass would cause burns on the carpet. Yet no reports of this.  This whole frigging thing is sounding stranger by the day.  An out of shape 64 yr old hauls up 20+ weapons 400 pounds of ammo. Sets up three cameras disables 2 fire alarms and none of this is caught on tape? Then he supposedly breaks suicide proof and tornado proof window panes with a hammer? 

[dbcaptiron]

On 10/8/2017 at 8:09 PM, thc6795 said:

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[15yds4gibberish]

1) Your complaint is with The Treasury Inspector General of the Tax Administration (TIGTA) - Not the NYT,  WAPO or me - The TIGTA report released Sept 28, 2017 can be found here.

2) The old selection criteria and subsequent bureaucratic harassment was already changed some time ago.

3) Nonetheless the latest TIGTA report demonstrates that neither conservative nor liberal organizations were specifically targeted and singled out by the old process at the time.

The silence you hear is the sound of all those responsible conservative news outlets and websites correcting the story....Don't worry, the zombie talking point will shamble on for years.

If you don't like it, take it up with the TIGTA...He is a 2004 Bush appointee. 

[dbcaptiron]

On 10/8/2017 at 8:34 PM, 15yds4gibberish said:

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[15yds4gibberish]

29 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

1) Your complaint is with The Treasury Inspector General of the Tax Administration (TIGTA) - Not the NYT,  WAPO or me - The TIGTA report released Sept 28, 2017 can be found here.

2) The old selection criteria and subsequent bureaucratic harassment was already changed some time ago.

3) Nonetheless the latest TIGTA report demonstrates that neither conservative nor liberal organizations were specifically targeted and singled out by the old process at the time.

The silence you hear is the sound of all those responsible conservative news outlets and websites correcting the story....Don't worry, the zombie talking point will shamble on for years.

If you don't like it, take it up with the TIGTA...He is a 2004 Bush appointee. 

 

12 minutes ago, dbcaptiron said:

A 'report' does not demonstrate anything....a report simply tries to frame a topic from a certain angle AFTER the fact.

I WAS THERE, and I had many talks with the IRS. WE WERE TARGETED and denied status.  If we did not have 'CONSERVATION' in our name we would not have been.  If we would have taken that out of the name we would have retained non-profit status. 

Please explain how showing that 'others' were also targeted in any way negates the fact that we were specifically (and incorrectly) targeted. 

Even if they 'did it to everyone'  which they did NOT,  you now claim this did not occur??

The silence you hear is the impact of your 'reports'.

Point #2 in my post was about how the selection process and subsequent experience itself was bad and changed (in 2013 I believe but not sure - And yes, there is plenty of data in the report about how long it was strung out for various groups).  Your experience, and bad experiences like yours shared by many other groups seeking tax exempt status is exactly why the process was changed.  I'm sorry it happened, it must have been infuriating.

Point #3 was an attempt to write that while the selection process and subsequent experience was bad (and no longer in existence), neither liberal nor conservative groups were affected disproportionately by it at the time.  The study clearly demonstrates that.  That's the talking point that needs to be corrected.

 

 

 

[dbcaptiron]

On 10/8/2017 at 9:19 PM, 15yds4gibberish said:

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[HawgGoneIt]

2 hours ago, dbcaptiron said:

I have always felt that this whole motive being 'unknown' was/is a deliberate attempt to NOT give the perpetrator the voice he was seeking.  This in the same vane as only one retarded picture with eyes shut being shown on every channel.  I have always been OK with this, as my 'want' to know is not as important as denying any killer a platform or other incentive.  What you think?

I think he is more off on some conspiracy theory type stuff. Probably been hanging out over at infowars or some place like that. 

You know. Deep state yada yada. All in the design to get your guns. 

It can never be a crazy person that bought guns and did what guns are made to do with them. 

[15yds4gibberish]

2 hours ago, dbcaptiron said:

Nice that you prefer 'talking points' ...

No, I wouldn't say I prefer talking points, I prefer actual discussion, but in this case I posted two links in response to this talking point....

On 10/7/2017 at 5:22 PM, concha said:

IRS targeting of conservatives ring a bell?

Government workers/bureaucracies tending to be liberal?

...which we now know is wrong.

At which point you went on a rant and made this statement:

3 hours ago, dbcaptiron said:

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Even if they 'did it to everyone'  which they did NOT,  you now claim this did not occur??

 

I never made any such claim.  I tried to explain to you twice that this was not my claim,  specifically stated that the targeting process was changed because it was wrong, and that I was responding to a different point.  To which you continue to respond:

 

2 hours ago, dbcaptiron said:

...so you argue that as proof of no foul...

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Again, which I never argued.  At a certain point, I just have to believe you want to continue to be angry, try to make a bigger claim that wasn't there in the first place, and I can't help you.

As the NYT put it "The IRS was an equal offender."

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[LeftOnBase]

On 10/7/2017 at 8:09 AM, HawgGoneIt said:

After having time to reflect and really give thought to this tragedy, gun control regulation and freedom of movement and protections from illegal search... I tried to set my emotions aside and be as objective as possible in my thought processes...

I think after all of this has kind of settled in and my knee jerk emotions were beaten back that I still have a definite problem with the tube stock weapons that were designed to be "tricked" out with many different easy modifications, but as people often do put out, it took some person to put these mods and the actual weapon to use against innocent people.

If the law banning the general public from possessing fully automatic weapons is considered acceptable and constitutional, then the spirit behind that law has to be considered at this point as modifications, training and usage of "legal" firearms has crossed the line into the realm of the spirit of that ban. How to apply this in some common sense manner will be difficult for sure, but to say that these weapons out there designed to violate the spirit of the fully automatic ban should not be banned or a lot more strictly regulated doesn't make sense if you agree with the fully auto ban in the least.

Here is my most significant thought, where I think the most effective action can be taken. I think that every gun owner should maintain a license to own, and in order to maintain that license, have an annual "wellness" check. This could be carried out much like commercial truck drivers licenses and d.o.t. physicals that are required to maintain the license and right to drive the trucks on the highway. 

If you are licensed, every firearm you purchase is connected with the license. The companies out there creating scopes and mods for the weapons should also be required to report purchases so that "we" can flag certain license holders if it becomes apparent they may be attempting to violate the spirit of the laws. 

 

We require our truck drivers to prove their physical and mental wellness in order to maintain their license and to protect the public from them in case they should become infirmed. The public basically demands this in order to feel safe, but we allow any non-felon to stroll into a store or gun show and buy a semi-auto firearm that can easily be just as, or more devastating than a tractor trailer rig full of gasoline, with no examination at all. 

 

 

 

 

Here's an excerpt from "The Atlantic" on the subject:

The connection between mental illness and mass shootings is weak, at best, because while mentally ill people can sometimes be a danger to themselves or others, very little violence is actually caused by mentally ill people. When the assailants are mentally ill, the anecdotes tend to overshadow the statistics.

Revenge motivation is, by far, the most commonplace. Mass murderers often see themselves as victims—victims of injustice. They seek payback for what they perceive to be unfair treatment by targeting those they hold responsible for their misfortunes. Most often, the ones to be punished are family members (e.g., an unfaithful wife and all her children) or coworkers (e.g., an overbearing boss and all his employees).

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[thc6795]

and now the Vegas police are changing the timeline of events? A week later? This security guard is sprayed with over 200 rounds only gets his in the leg? Still no video of any of this? Police now saying they didn't come until an hour after the security guard was shot?

Even those who have viciously objected conspiracy theorists in this whole scenario need to take a serious look at how everything is developing and wondering if your trust in the media and government to tell you the truth at all times is being tainted. This is getting more and more unusual as time goes on. This isn't a minor development, this is a tremendous spin on what we were originally told. Something isn't right, and we are being lied to.

[Coletrain06]

On 10/2/2017 at 7:31 PM, Coletrain06 said:

a friend of mine who lives in Vegas has been posting updates about his friend who was at the concert and got shot, and has not been located yet. Terribly sad seeing his family and friends searching social media for information. 

Wasn't gonna update this, but thought this was really cool that the Las Vegas Review-Journal posted last night........This was my friend's buddy whom the above post was about.

 

[thc6795]

and now the shooters house is robbed right under the FBI's nose. Nope nothing to see here.

Vegas gunman’s home burglarized amid massive investigation

 

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[TheRealCAJ]

concha, proving the Caj's point yet again and again.

#doublesad.

 

 

[Bormio]

Meanwhile the security guard was shot well before the concert shooting, reported it and the hotel apparently DID NOT call the police.  And then tried to deny it happened that way.