golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Dynasty period 2014 thru 2017 (4 years), to be included, MUST - Be rated top 500 nationally by Calpreps (CP) - Played minimum one OOS opponent the last 4 years - Winning record vs. top 1000 rated opponents - No losses to opponents rated 1001 or higher - Schedule strength rating minimum 40 (I used 30 initially and got 74 schools, so I felt that was too many and a nice even 50 schools made the 40.0 min. schedule strength, so I rolled with that). 24 schools who met the other 4 criteria but was in the 30-39.9 schedule strength range (in order of national rating by CP) Trinity (KY), Christian Bros (MO), Aledo, Archbishop Wood, Armwood, Mallard Creek, Central Catholic, Oakland (TN), Eden Prarie, South Pointe, Mainland, Muskegon, Highland Park (TX), Cocoa, Venice, Lincoln-Way East, Columbus, South Panola, Oaks Christian, Longview, Plant, Mountain View (ID), West Monroe and Sky View (UT). The 50 schools who made the list (in order of national rating by CP for this 4 year dynasty period) Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, IMG, Bishop Gorman, DLS, Corona Centennial, Allen, Bingham, St. Edward, Chandler, Mission Viejo, STA, Wayne, Colerain, Colquitt County, St. Xavier (OH), DeMatha, AHP, St. Louis (HI), Bergen Catholic, Miami Central, Loyola Academy, Grayson, St. Joe's Prep, St. Joe's Regional, Union, Brentwood Academy, Hoover, Fayetteville, DeSoto, Helix, SLC, St. Ignatius,, St. Peter's Prep, Jenks, Bentonville, Warren Central, Starkville, Westlake (TX). East, Paramus Catholic, Punahou, Junipero Serra, Carmel (IN), Pickerington Central, Chaminade (CA), Good Counsel, McDonogh, Gonzaga and Olentangy Liberty (OH) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Dynasty period 2014 thru 2017 (4 years), to be included, MUST - Be rated top 500 nationally by Calpreps (CP) - Played minimum one OOS opponent the last 4 years - Winning record vs. top 1000 rated opponents - No losses to opponents rated 1001 or higher - Schedule strength rating minimum 40 (I used 30 initially and got 74 schools, so I felt that was too many and a nice even 50 schools made the 40.0 min. schedule strength, so I rolled with that). 24 schools who met the other 4 criteria but was in the 30-39.9 schedule strength range (in order of national rating by CP) Trinity (KY), Christian Bros (MO), Aledo, Archbishop Wood, Armwood, Mallard Creek, Central Catholic, Oakland (TN), Eden Prarie, South Pointe, Mainland, Muskegon, Highland Park (TX), Cocoa, Venice, Lincoln-Way East, Columbus, South Panola, Oaks Christian, Longview, Plant, Mountain View (ID), West Monroe and Sky View (UT). The 50 schools who made the list (in order of national rating by CP for this 4 year dynasty period) Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, IMG, Bishop Gorman, DLS, Corona Centennial, Allen, Bingham, St. Edward, Chandler, Mission Viejo, STA, Wayne, Colerain, Colquitt County, St. Xavier (OH), DeMatha, AHP, St. Louis (HI), Bergen Catholic, Miami Central, Loyola Academy, Grayson, St. Joe's Prep, St. Joe's Regional, Union, Brentwood Academy, Hoover, Fayetteville, DeSoto, Helix, SLC, St. Ignatius,, St. Peter's Prep, Jenks, Bentonville, Warren Central, Starkville, Westlake (TX). East, Paramus Catholic, Punahou, Junipero Serra, Carmel (IN), Pickerington Central, Chaminade (CA), Good Counsel, McDonogh, Gonzaga and Olentangy Liberty (OH) Fake News Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 No wait, there has to be a mistake in this. I don't see Folsom listed anywhere. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Good stuff. What does the list look like without allowing ISB as the OOS qualifier? asking for a friend. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 There are 4 remaining Trinity league schools that should qualify based on that criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Servite will never be on that list. Old and broke program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Good stuff. What does the list look like without allowing ISB as the OOS qualifier? asking for a friend. You have a friend ???????? Rufus>> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: You have a friend ???????? Rufus>> No, but I thought it would be clever to put that line in there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: No, but I thought it would be clever to put that line in there LOL.... Rufus>> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: There are 4 remaining Trinity league schools that should qualify based on that criteria. Doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, TheMaximumHornetSting said: Doubt it @golfaddict1 please review and find out if OLU qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, Fred said: No wait, there has to be a mistake in this. I don't see Folsom listed anywhere. Folsom would be (I think — they’ve had 2 top 10 finishes at Cp) were it not for an unfortunate loss to #1963 Sacramento HS in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, golfaddict1 said: Dynasty period 2014 thru 2017 (4 years), to be included, MUST - Be rated top 500 nationally by Calpreps (CP) - Played minimum one OOS opponent the last 4 years - Winning record vs. top 1000 rated opponents - No losses to opponents rated 1001 or higher - Schedule strength rating minimum 40 (I used 30 initially and got 74 schools, so I felt that was too many and a nice even 50 schools made the 40.0 min. schedule strength, so I rolled with that). 24 schools who met the other 4 criteria but was in the 30-39.9 schedule strength range (in order of national rating by CP) Trinity (KY), Christian Bros (MO), Aledo, Archbishop Wood, Armwood, Mallard Creek, Central Catholic, Oakland (TN), Eden Prarie, South Pointe, Mainland, Muskegon, Highland Park (TX), Cocoa, Venice, Lincoln-Way East, Columbus, South Panola, Oaks Christian, Longview, Plant, Mountain View (ID), West Monroe and Sky View (UT). The 50 schools who made the list (in order of national rating by CP for this 4 year dynasty period) Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, IMG, Bishop Gorman, DLS, Corona Centennial, Allen, Bingham, St. Edward, Chandler, Mission Viejo, STA, Wayne, Colerain, Colquitt County, St. Xavier (OH), DeMatha, AHP, St. Louis (HI), Bergen Catholic, Miami Central, Loyola Academy, Grayson, St. Joe's Prep, St. Joe's Regional, Union, Brentwood Academy, Hoover, Fayetteville, DeSoto, Helix, SLC, St. Ignatius,, St. Peter's Prep, Jenks, Bentonville, Warren Central, Starkville, Westlake (TX). East, Paramus Catholic, Punahou, Junipero Serra, Carmel (IN), Pickerington Central, Chaminade (CA), Good Counsel, McDonogh, Gonzaga and Olentangy Liberty (OH) Why the OOS qualifier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: @golfaddict1 please review and find out if OLU qualifies. Top 1000 losing record. Their schedule strength is way up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Top 1000 losing record. Their schedule strength is way up there. Who did they lose too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Pops said: Why the OOS qualifier? “National ratings” analysis and to reduce schools. One OOS game in 4 years isn’t really pushing the envelope imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: Who did they lose too? 13-24 record vs top 1000 opponents last 4 years (I’d guess most losses are to top 250 or better with their league quality). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: @golfaddict1 please review and find out if OLU qualifies. I was talking about anyone not named SJB or MD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: 13-24 record vs top 1000 opponents last 4 years (I’d guess most losses are to top 250 or better with their league quality). This is a bad qualifier for the reason you just stated. I thought the qualifier was no losses to teams ranked over 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Good stuff. What does the list look like without allowing ISB as the OOS qualifier? asking for a friend. No, you did not.... lol BGW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: This is a bad qualifier for the reason you just stated. I thought the qualifier was no losses to teams ranked over 1000. That was one of them. Must have over .500 record vs top 1000 was another. I’ve been doing this for 3-4 years now. Only change is the schedule strength boost to 40.0 min. Of course there are weak points. If we did winning record vs top 500 for example my guess is there would less schools for sure qualifying. Getting to 50 or certainly less than 74 was my goal without changing the rules from previous years. It’s a 4 year cover sheet showing imo steadiness overall. Obviously more than 50-74 schools play steady national quality ball and many schools who don’t play OOS opponents who have met all other criteria would look good on a state list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: Should be minimum of one OOS game annually!! Says the guy from NJ all your PA, OH, Md/ DC etc games would still be in-state in TX or CA im ok if TX and CA can call it OOS if they cross imaginary lines the size of normal states “OOS” is irrelevant when Ga gets credit for ISB and CA doesn’t get “credit for intersectional games among elite national teams when sections are multiples of NJ on average 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: That was one of them. Must have over .500 record vs top 1000 was another. I’ve been doing this for 3-4 years now. Only change is the schedule strength boost to 40.0 min. Of course there are weak points. If we did winning record vs top 500 for example my guess is there would less schools for sure qualifying. Getting to 50 or certainly less than 74 was my goal without changing the rules from previous years. It’s a 4 year cover sheet showing imo steadiness overall. Obviously more than 50-74 schools play steady national quality ball and many schools who don’t play OOS opponents who have met all other criteria would look good on a state list. This qualifier unfairly penalizes teams that play mostly Top 250 teams vs Top 500-1000 teams. There has to be a better way to make this more equitable. Perhaps using a point value of Schedule strength x Winning % vs Top 1000 %. Losses vs Top 10 national should be thrown out and not counted because very few teams play Top 10 national teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: This qualifier unfairly penalizes teams that play mostly Top 250 teams vs Top 500-1000 teams. There has to be a better way to make this more equitable. Perhaps using a point value of Schedule strength x Winning % vs Top 1000 %. Losses vs Top 10 national should be thrown out and not counted because very few teams play Top 10 national teams. Given time sure... If CP showed a W-L record for top 100 or 250, even better. I was using their info to make the list a quicker exercise with flaws. Absolutely, given time we can peel the onion a bit more from even the 74 list or just the 50. I can go back and give a list of the qualifiers who didn't have an OOS game and would have made the list if interested... to add also and then fine tune the qualifiers further. From this smaller list will be easier to manually look at results for 4 years on CP with ratings and then creating a W-L record as well (for defined top 100/250/500) on excel sheet could be done for example. It would take time and I gladly hand the baton someone else lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Given time sure... If CP showed a W-L record for top 100 or 250, even better. I was using their info to make the list a quicker exercise with flaws. Absolutely, given time we can peel the onion a bit more from even the 74 list or just the 50. I can go back and give a list of the qualifiers who didn't have an OOS game and would have made the list if interested... to add also and then fine tune the qualifiers further. From this smaller list will be easier to manually look at results for 4 years on CP with ratings and then creating a W-L record as well (for defined top 100/250/500) on excel sheet could be done for example. It would take time and I gladly hand the baton someone else lol. like the current formula, great stuff but can we add "does your school have 3 stripes on your helmet?" as a criteria? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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