ATLien12x Posted July 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Ararar said: Except Cormier lost convincingly two times to Jones.Once when Jones was coming off a coke binge.Cormier is great ...the second best fighter of his generation I had Cormier winning the 2nd fight in that 3rd round before that kick. Could’ve been tied 1-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Eddyr2 said: Can’t be the greatest if you been caught on the juice on multiple occasions He has been caught on steroids once.The other was a Cialis that the commission announced was taken unknowingly of its affects even though they still suspended him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, ATLien12x said: I had Cormier winning the 2nd fight in that 3rd round before that kick. Could’ve been tied 1-1. Getting knocked out with a head kick is pretty convincing.Lets not forget that he told Cormier that was his weakness before the fight and still landed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eddyr2 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 8 hours ago, Ararar said: He has been caught on steroids once.The other was a Cialis that the commission announced was taken unknowingly of its affects even though they still suspended him Either way...PED Jonny ain’t the 🐐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said: Either way...PED Jonny ain’t the 🐐 The MMA community doesn’t hold your opinion.Is he a screw up? Yes without doubt.Is he the most talented fighter to step into the octagon? Yes without a doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ararar said: The MMA community doesn’t hold your opinion.Is he a screw up? Yes without doubt.Is he the most talented fighter to step into the octagon? Yes without a doubt After 200 I was done with him...that was after he ran his car into a tree, after he had a hit and run and left a injured pregnant woman to fend for herself, after he got busted for coke, after he hid under the cage at his gym for 8 hours so USADA wouldn’t test him and then he got busted for ped’s again... lot of guys at my bjj gym feel the same way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Eddyr2 said: After 200 I was done with him...that was after he ran his car into a tree, after he had a hit and run and left a injured pregnant woman to fend for herself, after he got busted for coke, after he hid under the cage at his gym for 8 hours so USADA wouldn’t test him and then he got busted for ped’s again... lot of guys at my bjj gym feel the same way Fair enough, the guy definitely is a screw up.His talent can’t be denied though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 16 hours ago, Ararar said: Getting knocked out with a head kick is pretty convincing.Lets not forget that he told Cormier that was his weakness before the fight and still landed it How much did the PEDS help him in that fight though? He was taking serious punishment before the kick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Cormier opens up -260 against Brock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: Cormier opens up -260 against Brock. sound about right... DC is going to make a cool $10 mill on this fight...Brock will make $12mill and still get to beat up Roman at Mania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, steeler01 said: How much did the PEDS help him in that fight though? He was taking serious punishment before the kick. You can’t judge that it’s impossible to tell.Cormier or any other contenders for goat can’t get told his weaknesses by an opponent then get knocked out by the weakness that was addressed.Cormier is great I love the guy but even he knows Jon Jones will haunt his legacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said: sound about right... DC is going to make a cool $10 mill on this fight...Brock will make $12mill and still get to beat up Roman at Mania DC saying if shogun wins this next fight he will fight him at 205. Shogun has been done for 5 years give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: DC saying if shogun wins this next fight he will fight him at 205. Shogun has been done for 5 years give me a break. Shogun was really good in Pride and then wasn't as powerful in the UFC...wonder what happened 💉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said: Shogun was really good in Pride and then wasn't as powerful in the UFC...wonder what happened 💉 Peds and age .... being in too many wars. Machida and him had nice rivalry .... 5 round fight w hendo (arguably one of the best Fights ever) prob took few years off his life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: Peds and age .... being in too many wars. Machida and him had nice rivalry .... 5 round fight w hendo (arguably one of the best Fights ever) prob took few years off his life! getting beat but by Wadi over a pitbull doesnt help either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Eddyr2 said: getting beat but by Wadi over a pitbull doesnt help either... Shogun got submitted by sonnen .... I mean c’mon. Chael has a garbage submission game..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ararar said: You can’t judge that it’s impossible to tell.Cormier or any other contenders for goat can’t get told his weaknesses by an opponent then get knocked out by the weakness that was addressed.Cormier is great I love the guy but even he knows Jon Jones will haunt his legacy PEDS make that fight to hard to judge. Did PEDS make him recover between rounds quicker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 40 minutes ago, steeler01 said: PEDS make that fight to hard to judge. Did PEDS make him recover between rounds quicker? My guess would be he used it to cut weight since Turinabol is great for cutting as well as building mass.Since Jones frame isn’t a muscular one I believe he needed help cutting without becoming dehydrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Jon beat Cormier while on banned substances.. Any way you slice it, nobody knows how he would've performed without those substances. And given his history of multiple offenses and stories from years ago of hiding under the ring for hours to avoid providing a sample to commission/USADA officials, its very likely he has been using banned substances his whole career. You simply cannot be the GOAT with that on your record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Eddyr2 said: sound about right... DC is going to make a cool $10 mill on this fight...Brock will make $12mill and still get to beat up Roman at Mania Reports I been seeing are saying SummerSlam not Mania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 I respectfully disagree about who should be considered for GOAT. Styles play a big factor in fights. Gustafsson was clearly the equal to JJ to the point that JJ did not want to fight him again. He was also the equal to DC yet if he were to fight Anthony Johnson again, I would not bet on him. If AJ were to come back and try DC again, I would take DC. Stipe will be back. I like his all business attitude and how he handled the press with their utterly useless questions... not sure a rematch with DC would go the same way as we have seen this before. The DC / Lesner match is total BS and the public is buying into it, hence the $$$... reminds me of the Rhonda Rousey nonsense. The most feared man in MMA, if he can ever heal from the back spurs should be Cain Velasquez. If he gets healthy, he will be the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Gospeeder said: I respectfully disagree about who should be considered for GOAT. Styles play a big factor in fights. Gustafsson was clearly the equal to JJ to the point that JJ did not want to fight him again. He was also the equal to DC yet if he were to fight Anthony Johnson again, I would not bet on him. If AJ were to come back and try DC again, I would take DC. Stipe will be back. I like his all business attitude and how he handled the press with their utterly useless questions... not sure a rematch with DC would go the same way as we have seen this before. The DC / Lesner match is total BS and the public is buying into it, hence the $$$... reminds me of the Rhonda Rousey nonsense. The most feared man in MMA, if he can ever heal from the back spurs should be Cain Velasquez. If he gets healthy, he will be the man. They are just taking advantage of Lesnar's popularity while he is not too old to get into the cage They gonna use him while they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yep... you are right. Its starting to remind me of boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 9:47 AM, Ararar said: The MMA community doesn’t hold your opinion.Is he a screw up? Yes without doubt.Is he the most talented fighter to step into the octagon? Yes without a doubt Yeah man I have to agree. Maybe he won't be considered the goat officially, but he's the best I've seen ever. If he would have been 30 lbs bigger out of nowhere or something it'd be different, but he's always looked the same physically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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