2018 Tier Placement - Final

[Sammyswordsman]

6 hours ago, Pops said:

Don’t understand logic if STA in Tier 1 — they lost to a tier 2 team by 16 and theiir best wins Tier 3 and 5

Seems to me that only justification is to still be giving benefit if doubt on roster in December — happy to have them in tier 2 with undefeateds DLS (better SOS), CQ, SFA, Allen,  Colerain and Duncancille.

as for NorCal, you’ve got IMHO 4 of top 5 teams but missing #3

DLS (2)

Folsom (3)

Liberty (5)

St Francis (6)

Central (Fresno) worthy of 4/5 consideration (likely Folsom’s D1AA opponent and toughest test thru projected SBG path)

Central Fresno is Tier 4.  Having a very good season.  A big win over Central Fresno will help the devil get to Tier 2

[Columbiafan]

18 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Columbia is on the correct Tier.  I would also add Lee, Edgewater, and Hagarty to that Tier.

Columbia split with Lee. Lee lost to Edgewater.  Edgewater lost to Hagarty, and Hagerty lost to Lee.  A vicious circle.

Lakeland is border line Tier 4 but will stay in Tier 5 due to SOS until we see how then do next week.

Edgewater and Lee could be in that tier

 

Hagerty played their super bowl against Edgewater but would probably have lost 9 out of 10 times to them

[Sammyswordsman]

5 hours ago, StingMan44 said:

Then tell me the logic of my example above....how would a team move up a tier after having a bye week and none of their opponents playing either? What did they do in that week to make him think they can compete in Tier 3 when they couldn’t last week?? No logic!! Just trolling and/or stupidity.

Chandler AZ moved from Tier 4 to Tier 3 despite being idle.  This was a correction from the previous week Tier.  Chandler has been red hot since losing by only 14 on the road to Cen10.  Chandler can end up in Tier 2 with a win next week and in the Geico, if they get there.

[Columbiafan]

Not to mention Columbia nearly beat Lee with a 3rd string qb in that playoff game

 

In fact scratch that Lee belongs tier 5

 

Edgewater and Columbia tier 4 though and Lakeland pending tier 4 depending on how they do against Edgewater this week 

[Columbiafan]

7 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG,  SJB,  NorthShore (TX), STA, 

 

Tier 2 -    Allen, DLS, Colquitt County, Cen10, SFA, Colerain, St. Louis (Hi),  Miami Central, Carol City, St. Edwards, Duncanville Tx

 

Tier 3 -    Arch Bishop Hoban,  John Curtis, Katy,   Warren Central (Ind),  Christian Brothers,     West Monroe, Folsom, ULAB (La), SJC, Gonzaga, DeMatha,  Chandler AZ,  Massilon

Tier 4 -  St. Iggy,  SJP,    Rome, Trinity Christian, Columbia (FL),  Centennial AZ,  Mentor, Bergen Catholic, Lowndes, Bishop Gorman, Lee County, SJR, Jserra, Jokes Christian, Deerfield Beach, Cardinal Gibbons, AHP, Milton, Central Fresno

Tier 5 -    Hoover,  SPP, St. X, Pick Central,  Lakeland,  Good Council, Parkview. Archer, Aledo, Lincoln Way East, Loyola Academy, Liberty Ca.  Cartersville, Blessed Trinity, Grayson, Mission Viejo, Cardinal Gibbons

 

Tier 6 -      Bingham, Walton, North Gwinett,  DBP,  De Paul, Marietta, Pinnacle Az. Bishop amat, OLU, Cass Tech (MI), St. Francis (Ca), Muskegon (MI), 

*teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game).

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*It is possible for a team to lose by 10+ to a team on their same Tier, and still be 10+ points better than teams on the next lowest Tier.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

Considering Cardinal Gibbons just beat AHP by over 20 points while playing with a backup qb they probably should be at same tier as AHP or higher

 

Either AHP is too high or CG is too low

[Columbiafan]

1 minute ago, Columbiafan said:

Considering Cardinal Gibbons just beat AHP by over 20 points while playing with a backup qb they probably should be at same tier as AHP or higher

 

Either AHP is too high or CG is too low

And now i see you put them CG twice 

[Sammyswordsman]

3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

And now i see you put them CG twice 

*Corrected.  CG in Tier 4.  Removed from Tier 5

[Sammyswordsman]

9 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

Not to mention Columbia nearly beat Lee with a 3rd string qb in that playoff game

 

In fact scratch that Lee belongs tier 5

 

Edgewater and Columbia tier 4 though and Lakeland pending tier 4 depending on how they do against Edgewater this week 

Columbia with a 3rd string QB qualifies for the Johnny Stanton rule.  If Lee moves to Tier 5 so does Columbia

[StingMan44]

11 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Chandler AZ moved from Tier 4 to Tier 3 despite being idle.  This was a correction from the previous week Tier.  Chandler has been red hot since losing by only 14 on the road to Cen10.  Chandler can end up in Tier 2 with a win next week and in the Geico, if they get there.

Red hot in their come from behind 1 pt win in the semis. Righhhhtt!! You are a lost cause!!

[StingMan44]

13 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Chandler AZ moved from Tier 4 to Tier 3 despite being idle.  This was a correction from the previous week Tier.  Chandler has been red hot since losing by only 14 on the road to Cen10.  Chandler can end up in Tier 2 with a win next week and in the Geico, if they get there.

Its too bad that they wouldnt be Geico’s first choice out of AZ anyway.

[Sammyswordsman]

Just now, StingMan44 said:

Red hot in their come from behind 1 pt win in the semis. Righhhhtt!! You are a lost cause!!

That was their only close game since week 0.  Teams have lost and are ranked higher.  Why don't you talk to the Centennial AZ coaches and get Chandler on the schedule so you can settle it on the field rather than playing a bunch of slugs and cry when you don't get the respect you think you deserve.  5a in AZ is terrible

[StingMan44]

All the in state experts have Centennial above Chandler. It’s only National pollsters (and wannabes like you), who don’t watch the teams on a weekly basis, that lack the knowledge to follow suit.

[Wooderson]

21 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

That was their only close game since week 0.  Teams have lost and are ranked higher.  Why don't you talk to the Centennial AZ coaches and get Chandler on the schedule so you can settle it on the field rather than playing a bunch of slugs and cry when you don't get the respect you think you deserve.  5a in AZ is terrible

And 6A is an equally large pile of human excrement (not that you possess the intellectual curiosity to research that to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter). 

Centennial's non-region slate (i.e. games they actually have a say in scheduling) included two recent Arizona state champions and a three-time national champion. Chandler scheduled a Mesa team that's been garbage for a decade and Faith friggin' Lutheran. To call-out Centennial for scheduling while not saying a word about Chandler's schedule is to all but admit that you don't have the first idea what you're talking about related to Arizona teams that isn't spoon-fed to you by the national media.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, Wooderson said:

And 6A is an equally large pile of human excrement (not that you possess the intellectual curiosity to research that to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter). 

Centennial's non-region slate (i.e. games they actually have a say in scheduling) included two recent Arizona state champions and a three-time national champion. Chandler scheduled a Mesa team that's been garbage for a decade and Faith friggin' Lutheran. To call-out Centennial for scheduling while not saying a word about Chandler's schedule is to all but admit that you don't have the first idea what you're talking about related to Arizona teams that isn't spoon-fed to you by the national media.

Centennial did schedule and beat The Bishop.  That is commendable.  The rest of their schedule is a bunch of turds.   I am moving Centennial up to the same Tier as Chandler for the time being.

[Kalven]

I’d wait before putting NorthShore as tier 1. It’s been a revenge tour as of late on top tier teams. 

[Sammyswordsman]

Just now, Kalven said:

I’d wait before putting NorthShore as tier 1. It’s been a revenge tour as of late on top tier teams. 

The Tiers prides itself on  being ahead of the curve vs other National services.  We are betting bigly on North Shore.

[Pops]

3 hours ago, Goldmember said:

The logic is very simple.

Those are the only other teams that have two running clocks against top 100 opponents.

This is what you said shortly after this.....

3 hours ago, Goldmember said:

But your criteria are silly and don't prove ability level.

2 running clocks on top 100 opponents is your response to why STA is included in Tier 1 

SMH

[Wooderson]

3 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Centennial did schedule and beat The Bishop.  That is commendable.  The rest of their schedule is a bunch of turds.   I am moving Centennial up to the same Tier as Chandler for the time being.

And Chandler's schedule is nothing worth mentioning either. I can't take any ranking system seriously that doesn't reflect a negligible difference between Chandler and Centennial.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, Wooderson said:

And Chandler's schedule is nothing worth mentioning either. I can't take any ranking system seriously that doesn't reflect a negligible difference between Chandler and Centennial.

The Tiers is a crowd sourced placement.  We rely on regional input from guys who are closest to the action.  Based on this input the teams are adjusted accordingly.  Regions that do not provide relevant data, risk having their teams not getting the benefit of the doubt.

[Pops]

1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Central Fresno is Tier 4.  Having a very good season.  A big win over Central Fresno will help the devil get to Tier 2

Bumping for response to STA

how have they separated themselves from the Tier 2 teams?

am curious just to understand your genius 

[Columbiafan]

49 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Columbia with a 3rd string QB qualifies for the Johnny Stanton rule.  If Lee moves to Tier 5 so does Columbia

The what? 

[Kalven]

4 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

And Chandler's schedule is nothing worth mentioning either. I can't take any ranking system seriously that doesn't reflect a negligible difference between Chandler and Centennial.

After Cen10 Az smashes a solid ND Prep team, they should be going to the Geico Classic vs STA or CQ 

[Sammyswordsman]

6 minutes ago, Pops said:

Bumping for response to STA

how have they separated themselves from the Tier 2 teams?

am curious just to understand your genius 

STA based on their roster is always going to be borderline Tier 1.  They did lose to Central, but slaughtered Dematha 38-0 and gave Deerfield beach their only loss 38-6.

Dematha was extremely tough, they beat St. John's and Good Council and Gonzaga.  I don't hold the hail mary in the finals against them.

I'm treating the Central game as a "one off" similar to why I didn't drop MD out of Tier 1 after losing to SJB by 3 touchdowns.

[CaliNorth]

4 hours ago, Goldmember said:

They were winning 21-17 in the 4th quarter.

What you're saying is that a team with running clocks in all of their wins and who was winning 3/4 through their one loss can't possibly be ranked in the top 5.

This is simple human frailty.

You just have some irrational mental block.

Somehow you argue out of one side of your mouth that 2015 De La Salle "obliterated" their schedule (even though they only had 11 running clocks in 13 wins) and was the best team yet you don't see any way that 2018 STA could be in the top 5.

DLS beat the #1 rated team in country their last game of season in 2015.  Will STA play any ranked teams left in FLa playoffs ?

[CaliNorth]

4 hours ago, Pops said:

I look at final scores not scores at end of Q3

Did or did not STA lose by 16 to a 3-loss team?

btw, what's the running clock margin in FL?  A couple of your W's are < 35.

This guy is trying to st up an alternate universe in his own mind.  Wins and losses don't count there. Only running clocks and window dressing scores matter. It does sound a lot like Folsom, doesn't it ?