DBP66 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 sure sounds like it..... Military Aid to Investigations, Lawmaker Says In closed-door testimony, a Democratic lawmaker said, William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, drew a “direct line” between President Trump’s withholding of security aid and his demand for investigations. William B. Taylor Jr., the United States envoy to Ukraine, arriving Tuesday on Capitol Hill. CreditAnna Moneymaker/The New York Times By Michael D. Shear and Nicholas Fandos Oct. 22, 2019, 2:41 p.m. E.T. WASHINGTON — William B. Taylor Jr., the United States’ top diplomat in Ukraine, told impeachment investigators privately on Tuesday that President Trump held up security aid for the country and refused a White House meeting with Ukraine’s leader until he agreed to investigate Mr. Trump’s political rivals. The testimony drew what one lawmaker described as a “direct line” between American foreign policy and his own political goals. In testimony that Democrats in attendance called the most damaging account yet for the president, Mr. Taylor provided an “excruciatingly detailed” opening statement that described the quid-pro-quo pressure campaign that Mr. Trump and his allies have been denying. Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democrat of Florida, who sat in on the deposition as a member of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, said that Mr. Taylor relied in part on detailed “notes to the file” that he had made as he watched the pressure campaign unfold. His testimony shed new light on the circumstances around a previously revealed text message in which Mr. Taylor wrote to colleagues that he thought it was “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” On Tuesday, Mr. Taylor directly addressed accusations surrounding Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, and Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company that employed Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., one of the leading Democratic candidates for president. He “drew a very direct line in the series of events he described between President Trump’s decision to withhold funds and refuse a meeting with Zelensky unless there was a public pronouncement by him of investigations of Burisma and the so-called 2016 election conspiracy theories,” Ms. Wasserman Schultz said. The intelligence whistle-blower’s complaint that prompted the impeachment inquiry said that Mr. Trump’s effort to pressure Mr. Zelensky to open an investigation of Burisma was part of a concerted effort to use the power of his office to enlist foreign help in the 2020 election. Mr. Taylor was the latest in a string of career diplomats and current and former administration officials who have defied a White House blockade of the impeachment inquiry and submitted to closed-door depositions with investigators digging into whether Mr. Trump abused his power to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political adversaries. The president sought to discredit the inquiry with attention-grabbing rhetoric early Tuesday as Mr. Taylor made his way to Capitol Hill to testify, comparing the impeachment investigation against him to a “lynching.” His comment on Twitter drew bipartisan outrage in public as the ambassador made his case behind closed doors. Ms. Wasserman Schultz said that in addition to referencing his notes, Mr. Taylor “had very specific recall of things,” including what she said were “meetings, phone calls, what was said.” Several Democrats who participated in Mr. Taylor’s questioning described his testimony in terms. Representative Ted Lieu, a California Democrat, shook his head after exiting the deposition, saying “what he said was incredibly damning to the president of the United States.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 The anger is strong with you young Skywalker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, I AM IRONMAN said: The anger is strong with you young Skywalker! and your denial is even stronger mam...congrats on being the first Trumper to reply!!..... “what he said was incredibly damning to the president of the United States.” ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: sure sounds like it..... Quid pro need-a-favor-though isn't necessary, but Taylor's testimony is really damaging to Trump (read opening statement here as there is a lot in it). When it Ukraines it pours... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said: Quid pro need-a-favor-though isn't necessary, but Taylor's testimony is really damaging to Trump (read opening statement here as there is a lot in it). When it Ukraines it pours... Lol. Nice. But to the topic, I don't know what it will take for Trump supporters to see what we all see but the fact he is doing it in front of the world and they still cling to 'it's everyone else fault' continues to be disturbing. Right before our eyes and in a very short time span, this country no longer can depend on facts, processes, accepted norms, rule of law, and our constitution. However, in place of all that we are losing, we have a new found passion and belief of conspiracy's. Hooray for us. I'll bet not one of these guys even reads the above statement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Sounds like you guys have him dead to rights this time. Should we head for the courthouse steps yet, or no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, DBP66 said: sure sounds like it..... In closed-door testimony, a Democratic lawmaker said.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: Sounds like you guys have him dead to rights this time. Should we head for the courthouse steps yet, or no? The DOJ has held that a sitting president can't be indicted because the Constitution specifically orders a political process for presidential misconduct. That was the reason Robert Mueller did not file obstruction of justice charges against the president despite overwhelming evidence of his crimes (same for individual1). Now the White House counsel has declared that this alternative process is illegitimate because it is political and therefore the American people must make the final decision in the next election. Mind you, the president has specifically been accused of attempting to sabotage the next election. It's a truly awe-inspiring Catch-22. So no courthouse steps. Political process, impeachment, instead. (FWIW the OLC can't indict a sitting pres memo reads like it was written in a midnight dorm bs session but whatevs). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 It's gotten way past the point...where Trumpy The Clown isn't funny anymore. It's time to IMPEACH his ASS !!!!!! And whether you want to admit it publicly...you know in your heart....it's true. Rufus>> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said: The DOJ has held that a sitting president can't be indicted because the Constitution specifically orders a political process for presidential misconduct. That was the reason Robert Mueller did not file obstruction of justice charges against the president despite overwhelming evidence of his crimes (same for individual1). Now the White House counsel has declared that this alternative process is illegitimate because it is political and therefore the American people must make the final decision in the next election. Mind you, the president has specifically been accused of attempting to sabotage the next election. It's a truly awe-inspiring Catch-22. So no courthouse steps. Political process, impeachment, instead. (FWIW the OLC can't indict a sitting pres memo reads like it was written in a midnight dorm bs session but whatevs). So articles voted on say, early next week? Seems like for the good of the country you guys should pull the trigger ASAP, amirite? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: It's gotten way past the point...where Trumpy The Clown isn't funny anymore. It's time to IMPEACH his ASS !!!!!! And whether you want to admit it publicly...you know in your heart....it's true. Rufus>> He's never been particularly funny. The funny part is you people losing your shit over him every day. Carry on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: It's gotten way past the point...where Trumpy The Clown isn't funny anymore. It's time to IMPEACH his ASS !!!!!! And whether you want to admit it publicly...you know in your heart....it's true. Rufus>> Yeah I know, like why can't they just keep electing 'funny' politicians... Your a Bernie guy right? now he is a riot 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Trumpy The Clown...is a goner. And you guys know it...LOL. It's gotta hurt. Rufus>> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: So articles voted on say, early next week? Seems like for the good of the country you guys should pull the trigger ASAP, amirite? No you're not right. This is serious and investigation needs to be thorough and proper in accordance with the question at hand. But Trump could step down ASAP, like Nixon, for the good to the country, amirite? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, zulu1128 said: Sounds like you guys have him dead to rights this time. Should we head for the courthouse steps yet, or no? no..it sounds like the TRUTH caught him this time Dave...something you Trump clowns know nothing about...🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Troll said: "William B. Taylor Jr., the United States’ top diplomat in Ukraine, told impeachment investigators privately on Tuesday that President Trump held up security aid for the country and refused a White House meeting with Ukraine’s leader until he agreed to investigate Mr. Trump’s political rivals."...closed door testimony huh...and that matters?...or are you going way out on that limb again??...🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DBP66 said: "William B. Taylor Jr., the United States’ top diplomat in Ukraine, told impeachment investigators privately on Tuesday that President Trump held up security aid for the country and refused a White House meeting with Ukraine’s leader until he agreed to investigate Mr. Trump’s political rivals."...closed door testimony huh...and that matters?...or are you going way out on that limb again??...🙄 No limbs here, I generally wait for the cross examination before making uneducated judgements... and cross examination says..... Quick question.....Was this Dem the 'top diplomat' while the B clan was raking in millions from Ukraine that specifically lead to this? Was the 'soft corruption' occurring on his watch, while investigations were politically squashed? just curious... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, Troll said: No limbs here, I generally wait for the cross examination before making uneducated judgements... and cross examination says..... Quick question.....Was this Dem the 'top diplomat' while the B clan was raking in millions from Ukraine that specifically lead to this? Was the 'soft corruption' occurring on his watch, while investigations were politically squashed? just curious... the top diplomat was retired at the time..he's a well respected Vietnam vet..West Point grad...who Trump and company talked him out of retirement to serve his country...he has no agenda...he just cares about the truth....he's an American Patriot...and he's not part of the "deep state" either....🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 15yds4gibberish said: No you're not right. This is serious and investigation needs to be thorough and proper in accordance with the question at hand. But Trump could step down ASAP, like Nixon, for the good to the country, amirite? Best of luck. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: the top diplomat was retired at the time..he's a well respected Vietnam vet..West Point grad...who Trump and company talked him out of retirement to serve his country...he has no agenda...he just cares about the truth....he's an American Patriot...and he's not part of the "deep state" either....🤡 So that's a 'YES' then........ ...on that soft corruption of nepotistic salaries to political families occurring on his watch? 🤡 Quick question....Is it still occurring? and if not... when/why did it stop ? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Troll said: So that's a 'YES' then........ ...on that soft corruption of nepotistic salaries to political families occurring on his watch? 🤡 Quick question....Is it still occurring? and if not... when/why did it stop ? 🤔 Go easy man..he is just a lost little 🐑 who relies on Lemon and Maddow for his thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Troll said: So that's a 'YES' NO then........ ...on that soft corruption of nepotistic salaries to political families occurring on his watch? 🤡 Quick question....Is it still occurring? and if not... when/why did it stop ? 🤔 looks like you went down Incoherent Rd. once again...it's been real Ronnie...🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, DBP66 said: looks like you went down Incoherent Rd. once again...it's been real Ronnie...🤡 Yeah...went right down that sneaky old STEP 1 road...…. Wow.....couldn't see that one coming could you.. 🙄 Guess it's time for you to 'hop' on out of here then …. if you can't even answer step one... 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 First it was russian collusion... Then it was his Taxes... Next was the poor kids at the border... Of course there was talk of person number one or some shit... And now quid pro quo... I guess my question is when are you assholes going to legislate something? or are we going to have to vote your treasonous asses out? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: First it was russian collusion... Then it was his Taxes... Next was the poor kids at the border... Of course there was talk of person number one or some shit... And now quid pro quo... I guess my question is when are you assholes going to legislate something? or are we going to have to vote your treasonous asses out? and all those things ^^ are on Trump....legislate?...The house dems passed over 200 bills....they get sent to Moscow Mitch and he sits on them...and Trump is waaaay to busy to think about legislation...he's too busy trying to save his lying ass to care if anything gets done...sad times in America...the good news is a majority now want his lying ass impeached... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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