Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA , Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, IMG, Katy, North Shore*, Lowndes, Tier 3 –Allen, Lakeland, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, Longview, St. Louis, DLS, Mentor, Northwestern, SJP* Tier 4 - Westlake, CHill, Guyer, SJC, OLGC, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Chandler, Servite, DBP, SJC, Gonzaga, Punahu, Cen10, Marietta, Tier 5 East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT), Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Catholic-BR, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East, North Gwinett, Hamilton, Saguaro, Mission Viejo, SPP Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ*, St. X*, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra*, Hoban, Miami Central* Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia *- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Do you really think St. Ed’s or Mentor would beat any of the WCAC teams? I just can’t see it with the common opponent game between St. Iggy’s. DeMatha had a running clock on Iggy’s at halftime I believe. I know that doesn’t mean everything here, but it’s tough to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 5 East St. Louis *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. Pick one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Pick one. What’s your opinion on them? Do you think they can play with the other teams on that Tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, NicholasMalibu said: Do you really think St. Ed’s or Mentor would beat any of the WCAC teams? I just can’t see it with the common opponent game between St. Iggy’s. DeMatha had a running clock on Iggy’s at halftime I believe. I know that doesn’t mean everything here, but it’s tough to look at. St. Mary’s-Ryken which lost to Calvert Hall among others by multiple scores stayed within 3 of OLGC. This is akin to what Iggy did vs St. Ed, and Servite did with SJB. At this point (week11) The Tiers chooses to re-classify these games as outliers, rather than as statements against or for the teams involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: What’s your opinion on them? Do you think they can play with the other teams on that Tier? You tell me, this is your show. Just trying help out and make sure you don't become one of those lazy pollsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: St. Mary’s-Ryken which lost to Calvert Hall among others by multiple scores stayed within 3 of OLGC. This is akin to what Iggy did vs St. Ed, and Servite did with SJB. At this point (week11) The Tiers chooses to re-classify these games as outliers, rather than as statements against or for the teams involved. Agree to strongly disagree. Servite would handle Ed’s and Mentor as well. The gap on the DM/Iggy/Ed/Mentor daisy games is too wide. St. Ed’s and Mentor are being rewarded for playing in a weak state with a strong history. Ed’s beat Iggy 7-3 Mentor beat Iggy 38-31 DeMatha was beating Iggy 35-0 at halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, dntn31 said: You tell me, this is your show. Just trying help out and make sure you don't become one of those lazy pollsters. Being the good teacher that I am, I will guide you to your answer. Go read the Illinois threads or past Tier threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NicholasMalibu said: Agree to strongly disagree. Servite would handle Ed’s and Mentor as well. The gap on the DM/Iggy/Ed/Mentor daisy games is too wide. St. Ed’s and Mentor are being rewarded for playing in a weak state with a strong history. Ed’s beat Iggy 7-3 Mentor beat Iggy 38-31 DeMatha was beating Iggy 35-0 at halftime. 10/4/19 #607 St. Mary's Ryken (which lost to Calvert Hall by 20 points) staying within 3 of OLGC. 10/11/14 OLGC beats Gonzaga by 7. In addition what is Gonzaga and Dematha and OLGC signature win this year? Not saying that the WCAC is bad, but they don't have much better wins to point to than St. Ed or Mentor, and have some bad close games, and losses that must be explained, which St. Eds and Mentor do not have. The Tiers sees the WCAC teams treading water, including SJC, while Mentor and St. Ed seem to be dominating now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: ESL canceled on CQ a month before the game. For that reason, they should be forever banned from the Tiers. LOL. The Tiers has the ability to separate perceived personal slights from business. Why did they cancel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: LOL. The Tiers has the ability to separate perceived personal slights from business. Why did they cancel? I think they cancelled because they wanted to play a Rush-coached team. Looks like it would have ended up being a good game. Better than the garbage Jax TC team they had to find cuz ESL bailed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasball Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA , Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, IMG, Katy, North Shore*, Lowndes, Tier 3 –Allen, Lakeland, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, Longview, St. Louis, DLS, Mentor, Northwestern, SJP Tier 4 - Westlake, CHill, Guyer, SJC, OLGC, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Chandler, Servite, DBP, SJC, Gonzaga, Punahu, Cen10, Marietta, Tier 5 East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT), Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Catholic-BR, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East, North Gwinett, Hamilton, Saguaro, Mission Viejo, SPP Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban, Miami Central Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia *- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Give SJB tier 1 and not DV is complete horse shit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Texasball said: Give SJB tier 1 and not DV is complete horse shit! SJB has more total better wins vs. Top 50 teams. DV is sort of unvetted at this point due to their crap schedule. DV can get back to Tier 1 by winning 6a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: 10/4/19 #607 St. Mary's Ryken (which lost to Calvert Hall by 20 points) staying within 3 of OLGC. 10/11/14 OLGC beats Gonzaga by 7. In addition what is Gonzaga and Dematha and OLGC signature win this year? Not saying that the WCAC is bad, but they don't have much better wins to point to than St. Ed or Mentor, and have some bad close games, and losses that must be explained, which St. Eds and Mentor do not have. The Tiers sees the WCAC teams treading water, including SJC, while Mentor and St. Ed seem to be dominating now. Gonzaga beat two state champ contenders in FL(AHP) and NJ(DBP) by multiple scores. Time will tell on that one, but that’s everyone right now. DeMatha demolished a team in 2 quarters that played Ed’s and Mentor almost even. Good Counsel did play SMR close, but to use that to hold back the WCAC over the two OH teams is beyond far fetched. Back to my first question, do you honestly believe St. Ed’s or Mentor would beat DeMatha or Gonzaga? Money on the line, who do you pick head to head? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 North Shore does not belong in Tier 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Tier 1 should be Mater Dei, Duncanville and Lowndes Tier 2 would be SJB, STA, IMG, Katy and North Shore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: How hasn’t DV been helped by SJC running the table in the WCAC, America’s second best hsfb conference? I think Sammy uses California algorithm rankings so beating teams like Servite, JSerra and the rest of the bums they get falsely bumped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, NicholasMalibu said: Gonzaga beat two state champ contenders in FL(AHP) and NJ(DBP) by multiple scores. Time will tell on that one, but that’s everyone right now. DeMatha demolished a team in 2 quarters that played Ed’s and Mentor almost even. Good Counsel did play SMR close, but to use that to hold back the WCAC over the two OH teams is beyond far fetched. Back to my first question, do you honestly believe St. Ed’s or Mentor would beat DeMatha or Gonzaga? Money on the line, who do you pick head to head? To your point, The WCAC is pretty vetted at this point. Ohio not so much. The Tiers punished St. Eds all year for the Iggy game, but Ed's by all accounts has started playing much better. After watching Dematha and OLGC in person early in the year, I was very high on both those teams, and The Tiers reflected their 2019 perceived potential. Both DeMatha and OLGC have not lived up to subsequent expectations. SJC was ripe for a loss in league, but none of the WCAC teams that were highly regareded, were able to deliver the blow to SJC. In fact several had SJC on the ropes, and then choked in the 4th qtr. DeMatha should have beat Gonzaga too. I am most disappointed in De Matha this year. Thought they did not play to their full potential. Their coaches also chose some poor play calling vs SJC in the red zone. I would put $ behind Mentor over DeMatha, OLGC, Gonzaga next week. Ohio playoffs will give Mentor and Ed some good vetting in the coming weeks, similar to what the WCAC has just gone through in league. We will see if Mentor and Ed can live up to the expectations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: How hasn’t DV been helped by SJC running the table in the WCAC, America’s best hsfb conference? DV would have been helped better if SJC dominated the WCAC, which was the expectation going into the year. By all accounts SJC has struggled in the WCAC vs teams that SJB blew out. If SJC blew out the WCAC teams like SJB, then DV would be in Tier 1. Even CalPreps has SJC at #74 now. This is not the signature win that a team wanting into Tier 1 needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: DV would absolutely crush Servite if they were to play next week. No argument there. That is why DV is Tier 2 and Servite is Tier 4. Of course, like Folsom, DV would crush ALL the teams they will never play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: And you would lose a lot of money!!! Holy mackerel. Not even the OH posters would agree with your premise. Smh. Why don't we let the Ohio posters speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Tier 1 should be Mater Dei, Duncanville and Lowndes Tier 2 would be SJB, STA, IMG, Katy and North Shore So LAZY. Why don't we just rank ALL the undefeated Teams in Tier 1, ALL the 1 loss teams in Tier 2. All the two loss teams in Tier 3. But then we would just be regurgitating Whiteshoes 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I think they cancelled because they wanted to play a Rush-coached team. Looks like it would have ended up being a good game. Better than the garbage Jax TC team they had to find cuz ESL bailed. TCA wasn't a bad team They also had more balls scheduling than probably 95% of the teams ranked in any national poll or the tiers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I think Sammy uses California algorithm rankings so beating teams like Servite, JSerra and the rest of the bums they get falsely bumped up. What are you even referring to? SJB? If so, SJB has been thoroughly vetted this year. Much more so than STA or any Fla team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Tier 1 should be Mater Dei, Duncanville and Lowndes Tier 2 would be SJB, STA, IMG, Katy and North Shore Dude stop IMG in tier 2 but not SFA Get out of here with that crap, IMG got exposed And lowndes tier 1?? Are you kidding? Until lowndes faces someone good OOS that isn't played in lowndes county they should never sniff the highest tier And if STA is tier 2 so should Lakeland, just because STA has a week 1 win over DLS don't mean they should hold top spot in FL, remember STA blasted Dematha 38-0 last year then lost by double digits to a Lakeland team that is probably better this year than last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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