World Citizen Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Bormio said: What is false? Because of increasing credits, more people at lower end of the scale are paying zero federal income tax. Child credits, earned income tax credit etc. And there are many corporations that don't pay or they get subsidies. A great many millionairs and billionaire don't pay taxes either or have found or bought a legal loophole which protects them. If you have not noticed we are a country run by the very wealthy and we, my friend, are not one of them. They would rather is be fighting each other instead of waking up to their bullshit. Imho of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Drummer61 said: Rufus showed me that my political acumen and sentiment will never be on the board again... Thank you. Now keep your promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Drummer61 said: Noon , you and Rufus read the 12 amendment to the Constitution...NOT ARCAIC.....Not political,historical... Refresh my memory. Who was it that called the Constitution archaic? I mean...other than me..... LOL Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 hours ago, noonereal said: nonsense (you are gonna like why I say nonsense) I'd bet dollar to doughnuts that most people paying no tax don't even realize it. ------------------------- Not to drag out this nonsense but we need to look at all taxes paid. Not just withholding. The poor paying none on withholding are still paying way too much in tax. In face, only the income tax favors he poor. The rest nail them. and don't even get me started on the SS cut off. I don't have an issue with a progressive tax thats fair -- from the Bible "each according to their means" (or some such) my point was just philosophical -- I think it's a good thing for people to have skin in the game. There shouldn't be 50% of the people that think spending money on XYZ is a good thing just because they're not paying -- XYZ ought to be evaluated on whether any of us should pay, not us and them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pops said: I don't have an issue with a progressive tax thats fair -- from the Bible "each according to their means" (or some such) my point was just philosophical -- I think it's a good thing for people to have skin in the game. There shouldn't be 50% of the people that think spending money on XYZ is a good thing just because they're not paying -- XYZ ought to be evaluated on whether any of us should pay, not us and them Generally, I agree.... however we both know that you can't just look at one tax. The poor get hurt on sales tax disproportional, the middle class is choked by FICA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, noonereal said: Generally, I agree.... however we both know that you can't just look at one tax. The poor get hurt on sales tax disproportional, the middle class is choked by FICA. Since Nooner is incapable of providing evidence to back up his opinions, I went down to my basement (aka "the Congressional Budget Office") and put something together for him so he can practice learning how to read graphs and tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Pops said: I don't have an issue with a progressive tax thats fair -- from the Bible "each according to their means" (or some such) my point was just philosophical -- I think it's a good thing for people to have skin in the game. There shouldn't be 50% of the people that think spending money on XYZ is a good thing just because they're not paying -- XYZ ought to be evaluated on whether any of us should pay, not us and them The FairTax is far superior and much more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 12 hours ago, noonereal said: so? was he not legally and fairly elected? No!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 54 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: I am no longer responding to political questions.... LOL...I don't blame you, amigo. No hard feelings here. Rufus>> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 15 hours ago, BigDrop said: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/secret-service-trump-protection.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 is from the New York Times. This is an ADDITIONAL $120 million dollars to protect Trump and his family. This means that literally every single American taxpayer is paying more than a dollar of their tax dollars to protect Trump. Elsewhere it is said that it will cost more to protect Trump for one year than it did for all eight of any other American president. Barack Obama and his family cost the taxpayer $1.4billion per year, according to a recently published book.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html#ixzz4fyPyD7QK Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 14 hours ago, Bormio said: Big Drop would prefer he was shot - him being so dangerous and unstable. BTW, is that saying there are only 120 million taxpayers in a land of well over 300 million? If so, that is the real take home lesson. I am close in the 120 million number. He is unstable and dangerous Impeachment-there is no other alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 14 hours ago, Bormio said: There ain't 200 million of them. https://www.reference.com/government-politics/many-u-s-taxpayers-d77a9265390f4bdb Actual number of Americans who pay income tax is 122 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 13 hours ago, Drummer61 said: IMO The cost for security for all presidents in office is ok,however after they are out it should be stopped... Also,the amount of visits to their private homes, unless being used for an official visit,must be limited to once a month at most.. You must also consider that part of the incredible amount that we, the 122 million Americans who actually pay tax, are paying is for rooms, space, meals and other expenses in Trump properties that he and his companies are charging us. I seriously doubt that the Secret Service is getting the AAA rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 12 hours ago, aZjimbo said: No disrespect but probably the dumbest and stupidest post I have ever seen on this board. All liberals hate the Constitution and what it stands for. The electoral college was put in place for a reason. Never any complaints by any liberal until Trump won. Now it's rigged, unconstitutional, dumb, stupid, blah, blah, blah. People like you are nothing but judicial activists. I am not a liberal and I can' stand Trump. Ted Cruz isn't a liberal nor Mitt Romney or the Bush family nor Marco Rubio nor a whole host of others who don't like him either. Of course the North Korean, Filipino, Russian, Turkish and other countries with monsters running them all like Trump. I believe he has invited all of them to the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 54 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said: Barack Obama and his family cost the taxpayer $1.4billion per year, according to a recently published book.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html#ixzz4fyPyD7QK Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Cat_Scratch and Drummer: the Washington Post gave your source noted in the Daily Mail four Pinnochios. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bachmanns-claim-that-barack-obama-has-a-14-billion-a-year-presidency/2013/03/17/bb5f3ea2-8f40-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239_blog.html?utm_term=.a46ab9cee2c6 FWIW they used the same factors to compare W. and Obama and W. cost $1.6 billion. Regardless of whether we are talking about George W. Bush or Barack Obama (and W. is not a fan of Trump nor is his brother nor his mom; I'm sure his dad has an opinion, too) neither can approach Trump for overthe top expense. If it is more than $1.6 billion that my personal investment is about $14.00. I want my $14.00 back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, BigDrop said: Cat_Scratch and Drummer: the Washington Post gave your source noted in the Daily Mail four Pinnochios. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bachmanns-claim-that-barack-obama-has-a-14-billion-a-year-presidency/2013/03/17/bb5f3ea2-8f40-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239_blog.html?utm_term=.a46ab9cee2c6 FWIW they used the same factors to compare W. and Obama and W. cost $1.6 billion. Regardless of whether we are talking about George W. Bush or Barack Obama (and W. is not a fan of Trump nor is his brother nor his mom; I'm sure his dad has an opinion, too) neither can approach Trump for overthe top expense. If it is more than $1.6 billion that my personal investment is about $14.00. I want my $14.00 back. Relax, Francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 8 hours ago, noonereal said: Generally, I agree.... however we both know that you can't just look at one tax. The poor get hurt on sales tax disproportional, the middle class is choked by FICA. I payed a lot of taxes last year where the rate was 0% until a pretty high minimum like 1% of all income over x to CA Mental Health (not joking) i get that sales taxes are regressive but you know what's even moreso that is not very left thinking -- tobacco taxes tobacco usage is hugely skewed to lower income and is maybe the highest taxed household good or consumable would love to see the hippies at Berkeley protest that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Pops said: tobacco usage is hugely skewed to lower income and is maybe the highest taxed household good or consumable this has always killed me I have know working poor who spent a full 20% of their earned income on cigarettes.(mostly tax) and don't get me started on lotto.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 8 hours ago, BigDrop said: I believe he has invited all of them to the White House. Most your posts I agree with. About all your sentiment I agree with. That said, I absolutely love this approach by Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Amazing that a "Congress Allots $120 Million for Trump Family Security" thread can develop into a poor people tax thread... and, people wonder why this country is fried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Amazing that a "Congress Allots $120 Million for Trump Family Security" thread can develop into a poor people tax thread... and, people wonder why this country is fried. Of course when you look at the principal players in this thread I don't guess it really surprises anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State Champ Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Taxing the liberal's tears should cover the cost for 8 years with plenty "left" over... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, State Champ said: Taxing the liberal's tears should cover the cost for 8 years with plenty "left" over... Is it lost on anyone that the Great California Drought is now over? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, State Champ said: Taxing the liberal's tears should cover the cost for 8 years with plenty "left" over... What does "liberal" have to do with the amount of money that is being charged to the American public for protecting a President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, BigDrop said: What does "liberal" have to do with the amount of money that is being charged to the American public for protecting a President? $146,000 a day to protect the wife and kid in nyc.... cost just for nyc police department when he visits it will cost 300,000 a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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