On2whls Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Correction, the top rated section winners play for the right to the SBG.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 56 minutes ago, On2whls said: The Southern Section is too big in terms of member schools. Maybe there should be LA County North, OC, San Diego, Inland Empire, and LA City sections. The top two rated section winners go to SBG, the next two highest rated section winners play for D1AA, and the last plays for D1A. The playoff divisions could have 8 team brackets. Didn't CIF kind of do this maybe 5-6 years ago when divisions were named Inland, Central, Western etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, SoCalFball said: Didn't CIF kind of do this maybe 5-6 years ago when divisions were named Inland, Central, Western etc.? Yes, but given the current landscape, and all the data they have to work with, I think there’s an opportunity to do it better this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB bos Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Don't want the old system never solved anything. Having CC, MD/SJB, MV, Sierra Canyon in 4 different playoff brackets would be pointless. You would have Texas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 What I will also be looking forward too is if they made any changes in terms of amount of teams in the D1 bracket. Could it go to four, stick with eight or go back to sixteen with the last option being the least likeliest. In the last CIFSS commish Wigod has stated that this playoff bracket could go to as few as four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCalFball said: What I will also be looking forward too is if they made any changes in terms of amount of teams in the D1 bracket. Could it go to four, stick with eight or go back to sixteen with the last option being the least likeliest. In the last CIFSS commish Wigod has stated that this playoff bracket could go to as few as four. Looks like (per step 4 above) #1 vs #16, so like the prior (to this year) approach but just keep it a secret who is going into what division. Man, the team likely to finish #17 better watch out. Play a little too good, we’ll teach you a lesson and send you off to Bellflower or Santa Ana for a flogging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 17 hours ago, dntn31 said: Starting next year, the CIFSS is proposing playoff divisions that will factor in the current year's results (as opposed to how it works now where it only factors in prior season results). More details here: https://cifss.org/news/football-2020/ Divert, deflect...busy work until the MD/SJB Bowl. BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 hours ago, On2whls said: Looks like (per step 4 above) #1 vs #16, so like the prior (to this year) approach but just keep it a secret who is going into what division. Man, the team likely to finish #17 better watch out. Play a little too good, we’ll teach you a lesson and send you off to Bellflower or Santa Ana for a flogging. The cutoff has to happen somewhere. This would be true regardless of how the divisions are determined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiev Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 hours ago, frankyjames said: Will they be able to recruit more transfers with this rule? 22 hours ago, frankyjames said: Ironically, the same guy who authored this letter was one of the guys leading the change to the current CIF playoff format in 2014, AKA- The SoCal Rule. 21 hours ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: @frankyjames I see you can't find the Delete account button... Maybe one of our admins can help @HawgGoneIt Yup , talking to himself again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyjames Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, eddiev said: Yup , talking to himself again. If you are going to troll, at least use new material. Typical SoCal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, frankyjames said: If you are going to troll, at least use new material. Typical SoCal. Ya but Nocal sucks. DLS hasn’t been beat up there in 30 years. LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Cal 14 said: The cutoff has to happen somewhere. This would be true regardless of how the divisions are determined. Yes, and the cutoff is an important factor. Sierra Canyon got to play in the SS D2 bracket which is ultimately where they belonged. It’s not like they blew everyone away, and they also weren’t good enough to win D1AA anyway. In a 16 team D1 bracket, there would have been 8 additional teams that were a better match competitively for the lower bracket and the bowl games it feeds into. Even the 8 team D1 bracket as it turned out, had only two teams with any sort of chance. Hopefully CIF doesn’t move it to a four team bracket. With the prospect of nearly guaranteed one and done in the playoffs, it’s hard to keep high performers interested in staying at their school, when choosing to go TL or a school within the district that will have a better chance of playing more games is an option. To be realistic, even an 8 team statewide Open bracket (which wouldn’t be favorable logistically) would still have four teams that stood no chance of a second game year in, year out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, On2whls said: To be realistic, even an 8 team statewide Open bracket (which wouldn’t be favorable logistically) would still have four teams that stood no chance of a second game year in, year out. Dunno it would have given us Folsom vs either CC/ SJB/ MD in first round for most of last decade I would have liked to have seen that regardless of outcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, On2whls said: Yes, and the cutoff is an important factor. Sierra Canyon got to play in the SS D2 bracket which is ultimately where they belonged. It’s not like they blew everyone away, and they also weren’t good enough to win D1AA anyway. In a 16 team D1 bracket, there would have been 8 additional teams that were a better match competitively for the lower bracket and the bowl games it feeds into. Even the 8 team D1 bracket as it turned out, had only two teams with any sort of chance. Hopefully CIF doesn’t move it to a four team bracket. With the prospect of nearly guaranteed one and done in the playoffs, it’s hard to keep high performers interested in staying at their school, when choosing to go TL or a school within the district that will have a better chance of playing more games is an option. To be realistic, even an 8 team statewide Open bracket (which wouldn’t be favorable logistically) would still have four teams that stood no chance of a second game year in, year out. Welcome to the world of NCS D-I. This year in the CCS, three teams actually tied for the 8th spot in D-I. They had to go down to the 3rd or 4th tie-breaker to finally determine who would be #8 in D-I and who would be the top two seeds in D-II. The determination had to be made somehow. The 8-seed ended up getting blown out by Serra and the D-II #1 seed won that division. That's just how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 This probably means my El Toro Chargers might not make the D4 playoffs with a 1-9 regular season record again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Next season playoff is really the unknown until selection day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 8:36 AM, dntn31 said: It's interesting that, in the proposal, they will be partnering with CalPreps to come up with the power ratings used to determine the divisions. I'm curious about the details of how that will actually work and what the level of transparency will be. Like, are they just going to straight up use the base CalPreps ratings or are they going to have Ned implement something new? If something new, will they make the criteria/algorithm public or is it proprietary? It's been fun the past few years trying to project how the divisions will shake out, but if they are doing this in a black box that goes away (and would actually make it easier for someone to "game" the system if they wanted to). The issue I have with CalPreps is that many rational coaches may choose not to run up the score which will reflect in the MOV part of the algorithm. Classier coaches and programs know when they have dominated an overmatched foe and many will smartly put the brakes on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, Gospeeder said: The issue I have with CalPreps is that many rational coaches may choose not to run up the score which will reflect in the MOV part of the algorithm. Classier coaches and programs know when they have dominated an overmatched foe and many will smartly put the brakes on. Calpreps already has a limit on how much of a blowout is counted. That said, beating someone by 27 is more significant than 7, so I strongly support the use of MoV in the ratings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCalFball said: Next season playoff is really the unknown until selection day I hope it's just 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 So based on last season CalPreps ratings after 10 games assuming they went with 8 teams D1 playoffs would’ve been 1. MD 2. Bosco 3. Mission 4. Cen10 5. Servite 6. CDM 7. Bishop Amat 8. Jserra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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