Civil War Is Coming

[ngdawg]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

But we can't. We do not have the resources to help people. We don't even have the proper opportunities for everyone in this country. 

And you can clearly see it during the pandemic. Without the government protections many people would be evicted this weekend since they haven't been able to pay rent in months. People live paycheck to paycheck while real estate goes higher and taxes go higher.

We lost millions of jobs in this country. And ill be perfectly blunt neither party in a general sense really gives two shits about the.poor and have no idea how to help them other than heres more welfare and section 8 housing 

I'm actually impressed that you said "neither party" instead of "just Democrats". Good on you!

Once this pandemic boils over, I'm sure America has the resources to help those who enter. How can we be one of the greatest countries in the world and not have enough resources? Come on.

[HSFBfan]

yea guru they do. If your an illegal and have a child on our soil the mother and child are citizens. We have had people locked up for paying to have these people come here to do

Generally speaking, a person can become a U.S. citizen through parents or by birth in one of three ways:

1. By being born in the United States or one of its territories ("birthright" citizenship);
2. By being born to parents who are U.S. citizens ("acquisition" of citizenship);
3. You may be a citizen if one or both of your parents have been naturalized ("derivation" of citizenship).

https://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/u-s-citizenship-through-parents-or-by-birth.html#:~:text=Generally speaking%2C a person can,territories ("birthright" citizenship)%3B&text=You may be a citizen,"derivation" of citizenship).

[ngdawg]

2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

more BS from guru

It actually made sense though. He gave an example and backed it up to prove your point as incorrect. Not saying you don't do a good job either because you do well at staying level-headed, which is its own challenge.

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, ngdawg said:

I'm actually impressed that you said "neither party" instead of "just Democrats". Good on you!

Once this pandemic boils over, I'm sure America has the resources to help those who enter. How can we be one of the greatest countries in the world and not have enough resources? Come on.

we don't. Look at the poverty rate in America. Yes we do better than other countries but we don't come nearly as close as what your portraying it to be. We don't not have enough jobs in america to help American citizens eap when you have companies that bring in people from overseas to take those jobs. Something trump is trying to work on but obv can't tell a private company who to hire 

[ngdawg]

2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

yea guru they do. If your an illegal and have a child on our soil the mother and child are citizens. We have had people locked up for paying to have these people come here to do

Generally speaking, a person can become a U.S. citizen through parents or by birth in one of three ways:

1. By being born in the United States or one of its territories ("birthright" citizenship);
2. By being born to parents who are U.S. citizens ("acquisition" of citizenship);
3. You may be a citizen if one or both of your parents have been naturalized ("derivation" of citizenship).

https://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/u-s-citizenship-through-parents-or-by-birth.html#:~:text=Generally speaking%2C a person can,territories ("birthright" citizenship)%3B&text=You may be a citizen,"derivation" of citizenship).

I do have a question for you. Do you reject immigrants because they are all dangerous or because they're "stealing your jobs"?

[ngdawg]

1 minute ago, HSFBfan said:

we don't. Look at the poverty rate in America. Yes we do better than other countries but we don't come nearly as close as what your portraying it to be. We don't not have enough jobs in america to help American citizens eap when you have companies that bring in people from overseas to take those jobs. Something trump is trying to work on but obv can't tell a private company who to hire 

But that doesn't make sense. Trump is trying to open more jobs, but not to accommodate the unemployed or the immigrants. Then what's the use of opening jobs if they aren't going to be put towards a good use?

[HSFBfan]

2 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

I'm actually impressed that you said "neither party" instead of "just Democrats". Good on you!

Once this pandemic boils over, I'm sure America has the resources to help those who enter. How can we be one of the greatest countries in the world and not have enough resources? Come on.

We don't. We do not have the jobs to sustain the country. Many blue collar workers use to work in the factories mines etc. Many of those factories are gone. The democrats want to shut down the mines which is a backbone for states like west Virginia. They want to end oil which is a staple for places like Texas. 

But the republicans are guilty also of not really giving a shit either. Both parties bring in people from overseas for jobs. Take money from overseas etc. 

The povery rate in america continues to climb but hey according to you let's bring in more people 

[The Guru]

2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

But we can't. We do not have the resources to help people. We don't even have the proper opportunities for everyone in this country.

We're the richest country in the history of the world.

And you're not for giving people opportunities or helping Americans in almost any way. This reminds me of some Republicans when the rationale for war in Iraq went to shit: "Hey, Saddam was a bad guy! He used the oil money to rich himself and his family when he should've given it to the people of Iraq!"

Oh, really? You just want to give people money now?

But when it comes to passing something as simple as an infrastructure bill we can't even get a vote on the floor of the Senate because Republicans don't want to actually spend money on Americans.

It's all a charade.

[ngdawg]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

We don't. We do not have the jobs to sustain the country. Many blue collar workers use to work in the factories mines etc. Many of those factories are gone. The democrats want to shut down the mines which is a backbone for states like west Virginia. They want to end oil which is a staple for places like Texas. 

But the republicans are guilty also of not really giving a shit either. Both parties bring in people from overseas for jobs. Take money from overseas etc. 

The povery rate in america continues to climb but hey according to you let's bring in more people 

What we really need is a party that embodies ideals from both sides. That should help please all the moderates and exclude the radicals.

[The Guru]

8 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

 And you can clearly see it during the pandemic. Without the government protections many people would be evicted this weekend since they haven't been able to pay rent in months. People live paycheck to paycheck while real estate goes higher and taxes go higher.

People don't live paycheck to paycheck because taxes are going higher, think tank.

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, ngdawg said:

I do have a question for you. Do you reject immigrants because they are all dangerous or because they're "stealing your jobs"?

I reject immigrants because we can't sustain them. We can't sustain the people we have here. And if we can't sustain American citizens who are here now why do we need to take on the rest of the world

England just left the EU. Italy is next. The resolution has already been introduced. Poland puts up fences and armed military around their borders.

Leaders across the world outside of Merkel are fed up with the immigrants 

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, The Guru said:

We're the richest country in the history of the world.

And you're not for giving people opportunities or helping Americans in almost any way. This reminds me of some Republicans when the rationale for war in Iraq went to shit: "Hey, Saddam was a bad guy! He used the oil money to rich himself and his family when he should've given it to the people of Iraq!"

Oh, really? You just want to give people money now?

But when it comes to passing something as simple as an infrastructure bill we can't even get a vote on the floor of the Senate because Republicans don't want to actually spend money on Americans.

It's all a charade.

I did say republicans re guilty as well 

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, ngdawg said:

What we really need is a party that embodies ideals from both sides. That should help please all the moderates and exclude the radicals.

There isn't one ideal from the left that I agree with 

[ngdawg]

1 minute ago, HSFBfan said:

I reject immigrants because we can't sustain them. We can't sustain the people we have here. And if we can't sustain American citizens who are here now why do we need to take on the rest of the world

England just left the EU. Italy is next. The resolution has already been introduced. Poland puts up fences and armed military around their borders.

Leaders across the world outside of Merkel are fed up with the immigrants 

So do we just leave them to die? Do we not give them hope for future just because they come from less fortunate places than us?

[ngdawg]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

There isn't one ideal from the left that I agree with 

Of course not, what did I expect? Agreement?

[HSFBfan]

Just now, ngdawg said:

Of course not, what did I expect? Agreement?

Everything they present makes absolutely 0 sense. Maybe if they were rational it would be easier. 

[imaGoodBoyNow]

If there’s a civil war I’m takin NG out first, always easier taking out the weakest link first

[HSFBfan]

2 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

So do we just leave them to die? Do we not give them hope for future just because they come from less fortunate places than us?

Yeah u do. Until we get citizens here lifted up and out of poverty and really living the american dream sorry those other people have to find other places. It makes sense financial and socially when it comes to the responsibility of the citizens of this country which is the only people our government should be fighting for 

[HSFBfan]

Just now, imaGoodBoyNow said:

If there’s a civil war I’m takin NG out first, always easier taking out the weakest link first

he won't even fight. He'll lay down easy

[ngdawg]

1 minute ago, imaGoodBoyNow said:

If there’s a civil war I’m takin NG out first, always easier taking out the weakest link first

If there's a civil war, I'm not even worrying about you. You'll probably get killed by a dust bunny.

[ngdawg]

1 minute ago, HSFBfan said:

Yeah u do. Until we get citizens here lifted up and out of poverty and really living the american dream sorry those other people have to find other places. It makes sense financial and socially when it comes to the responsibility of the citizens of this country which is the only people our government should be fighting for 

Getting everyone out of poverty isn't going to happen. The American dream probably isn't either. The American dream is whatever you want it to be. That's what makes it a dream.

[ngdawg]

4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

Everything they present makes absolutely 0 sense. Maybe if they were rational it would be easier. 

It's all about perspective. A Democrat would say that your side makes no sense, too. It's all about how you look at it and what your priorities are.

[ngdawg]

3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

he won't even fight. He'll lay down easy

Lay down easy? Probably. If we're being honest, yeah.

[HSFBfan]

Just now, ngdawg said:

Getting everyone out of poverty isn't going to happen. The American dream probably isn't either. The American dream is whatever you want it to be. That's what makes it a dream.

So if my dream is to sit on a corner all day collecting welfare checks while you go to work and bust your ass thats socially acceptable to you? 

Its socially acceptable to you that you'll work your ass off for a house paying thousands in taxes and such while people in section 8 housing has beach front property like they do in coney island?

That's cool with you? 

[The Guru]

18 minutes ago, Ga96 said:

He also just said kids have no formal training or idea how to help this country prosper.

He just spewing out shit without thinking about it.

Meanwhile he is an adult by age and isn't doing anything to make this country better or prosperous.

It's extremely likely that if a person is here illegally they're here to do back-breaking work that losers like @HSFBfan would never consider doing.

I think that being vital to our agriculture industry and food supply chain is a good way to help this country prosper.