FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/angry-white-men-love-donald-trump An interesting read for everyone on here. Trump's angry white men – and why there are more of them than you think Statistics point to conspiracy theories, mediocre wages and a deeply held belief that this group is anything but racist Mona Chalabi @MonaChalabi Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, last year. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters Michael has presumably had a rough day. Nine hours working as an exterminator takes a physical toll on the 45-year-old, who didn’t go to college, makes $33,000 a year, and relies on a steady swarm of pests to pester people in his 90% rural county. But home, with a glass of wine and Fox News, he’s excited to hear from the only candidate who’s making any sense these days: Donald Trump. Michael is technically fictional, but he’s created entirely from fact. The story of Trump’s success is, in some ways, the story of the many American Michaels. Frustrated white men who reject the stories offered to them, and admire leaders who feel the same. Sign up for Guardian Today US edition: the day's must-reads sent directly to you Read more White Americans feel more angry than black Americans, according to a November survey of 3,257 US adults by Esquire and NBC. White people were more likely than black people to say their current financial situation isn’t what they thought it would be when they were younger, and they were also more likely to put that down to difficult circumstances rather than “wrong choices”. When asked whether they ever hear or read anything on the news that makes them angry, white respondents were more likely than black ones to say they felt angry at least twice a day. There were gender differences too – men were more likely than women to say that they felt angry about the treatment of white men. Trump understands these white men – or at the very least, he understands that these white men want a politician who understands them. It was these voters that Trump was speaking to when he said last year: And if you look at black and African American youth, to a point where they’ve never done more poorly. There’s no spirit. This is more than just opportunism – Trump gets it. Of course, the history of American politicians is the history of many, many white men, but there’s something unique about Trump’s whiteness and his masculinity. He is distinctly unashamed of either trait, and is unwilling to even pay lip service to the notion that they were beneficial to his success. In a 1989 NBC interview, for example, he made his point: A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that … I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage. Advertisement Liberals may respond with rolled eyes or outrage, but for men like the hypothetical Michael, quotes like these are evidence that Trump is simply willing to state facts others are too cowardly to say. Michael still probably wouldn’t think of himself as racist – 10% of white Americans think white Americans are racist. But 38% of those white Americans think black people are racist. More than 20 years later, a Michael would probably still agree with the statement. When asked why black Americans have worse jobs, incomes and housing on average than whites, 45% of white Americans in 2012 said it was because “blacks don’t have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves out of poverty”. The fact that most media organizations do not repeat these beliefs – aka “facts” to some who hold them – merely entrenches the feeling that the mainstream, “lamestream” mediacannot be trusted. The white man pathology: inside the fandom of Sanders and Trump Read more A 2014 study from Pew Research Center shows just how divided Americans are about the media. Liberals express trust in more media organizations than conservatives do, and receive more sources and perspectives as a consequence. Of 36 organizations listed, Fox News stands out as the crucial source to 88% of conservatives who say that they trust the information they receive from the channel. Social media is important too; the study shows that if Michael does exist, he would probably also be checking Facebook – where he would hear from close friends who are more likely to share his views. This isn’t just healthy skepticism– at times it’s an entirely different version of the world. Whether you want to call them conspiracy theories or government secrets, a 2013 survey from Public Policy Polling shows these views tend to differ by political party too (though not all – 28% of Democrats and 28% of Republicans believe aliens exist). Republicans were more likely to believe in Bigfoot, government TV mind control and diseases invented for pharmaceutical companies to profit than Democrats were. White Americans were more likely to believe those claims than black Americans, and in most cases, men were more likely than women to believe the conspiracies listed in the survey. One theory is particularly important: 37% of Americans think global warming is a hoax. That number rises to 39% when you only look at male respondents, 41% for white respondents and 58% for Republicans. With that in mind, it’s easier to understand who the audience is when Trump makes statements like these: Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. 3:15 PM - Nov 6, 2012 66.6K 115K people are talking about this It’s not only what he says but the way he says it: Trump’s writing style echoes online forums and sites like knowthelies.com. Trump uses short sentences. No commas needed. And sometimes ALL CAPS. With all this in mind, Trump’s rising political fortunes aren’t surprising at all. Polling shows he is more popular among Americans that are white than those who aren’t, and more popular among Americans with penises than those without. Often, these white men are also working or middle class and middle-aged – just like Michael. Those men represent a significant voting block in a country which is still 62% white. When those men want to hear from someone who is willing to stand up for them, Donald Trump is only too willing to oblige. And, when what’s “right” is about unapologetically refuting facts, Trump can’t go wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: Um, I don't think he has the skills, knowledge or experience to cure cancer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: Um, I don't think he has the skills, knowledge or experience to cure cancer. Probably not. His superpower is making you gals soil yourselves on a daily basis. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Case in point. angry white radical Male. ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/angry-white-men-love-donald-trump An interesting read for everyone on here. Trump's angry white men – and why there are more of them than you think Statistics point to conspiracy theories, mediocre wages and a deeply held belief that this group is anything but racist Mona Chalabi @MonaChalabi Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, last year. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters Michael has presumably had a rough day. Nine hours working as an exterminator takes a physical toll on the 45-year-old, who didn’t go to college, makes $33,000 a year, and relies on a steady swarm of pests to pester people in his 90% rural county. But home, with a glass of wine and Fox News, he’s excited to hear from the only candidate who’s making any sense these days: Donald Trump. Michael is technically fictional, but he’s created entirely from fact. The story of Trump’s success is, in some ways, the story of the many American Michaels. Frustrated white men who reject the stories offered to them, and admire leaders who feel the same. Sign up for Guardian Today US edition: the day's must-reads sent directly to you Read more White Americans feel more angry than black Americans, according to a November survey of 3,257 US adults by Esquire and NBC. White people were more likely than black people to say their current financial situation isn’t what they thought it would be when they were younger, and they were also more likely to put that down to difficult circumstances rather than “wrong choices”. When asked whether they ever hear or read anything on the news that makes them angry, white respondents were more likely than black ones to say they felt angry at least twice a day. There were gender differences too – men were more likely than women to say that they felt angry about the treatment of white men. Trump understands these white men – or at the very least, he understands that these white men want a politician who understands them. It was these voters that Trump was speaking to when he said last year: And if you look at black and African American youth, to a point where they’ve never done more poorly. There’s no spirit. This is more than just opportunism – Trump gets it. Of course, the history of American politicians is the history of many, many white men, but there’s something unique about Trump’s whiteness and his masculinity. He is distinctly unashamed of either trait, and is unwilling to even pay lip service to the notion that they were beneficial to his success. In a 1989 NBC interview, for example, he made his point: A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that … I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage. Advertisement Liberals may respond with rolled eyes or outrage, but for men like the hypothetical Michael, quotes like these are evidence that Trump is simply willing to state facts others are too cowardly to say. Michael still probably wouldn’t think of himself as racist – 10% of white Americans think white Americans are racist. But 38% of those white Americans think black people are racist. More than 20 years later, a Michael would probably still agree with the statement. When asked why black Americans have worse jobs, incomes and housing on average than whites, 45% of white Americans in 2012 said it was because “blacks don’t have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves out of poverty”. The fact that most media organizations do not repeat these beliefs – aka “facts” to some who hold them – merely entrenches the feeling that the mainstream, “lamestream” mediacannot be trusted. The white man pathology: inside the fandom of Sanders and Trump Read more A 2014 study from Pew Research Center shows just how divided Americans are about the media. Liberals express trust in more media organizations than conservatives do, and receive more sources and perspectives as a consequence. Of 36 organizations listed, Fox News stands out as the crucial source to 88% of conservatives who say that they trust the information they receive from the channel. Social media is important too; the study shows that if Michael does exist, he would probably also be checking Facebook – where he would hear from close friends who are more likely to share his views. This isn’t just healthy skepticism– at times it’s an entirely different version of the world. Whether you want to call them conspiracy theories or government secrets, a 2013 survey from Public Policy Polling shows these views tend to differ by political party too (though not all – 28% of Democrats and 28% of Republicans believe aliens exist). Republicans were more likely to believe in Bigfoot, government TV mind control and diseases invented for pharmaceutical companies to profit than Democrats were. White Americans were more likely to believe those claims than black Americans, and in most cases, men were more likely than women to believe the conspiracies listed in the survey. One theory is particularly important: 37% of Americans think global warming is a hoax. That number rises to 39% when you only look at male respondents, 41% for white respondents and 58% for Republicans. With that in mind, it’s easier to understand who the audience is when Trump makes statements like these: Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. 3:15 PM - Nov 6, 2012 66.6K 115K people are talking about this It’s not only what he says but the way he says it: Trump’s writing style echoes online forums and sites like knowthelies.com. Trump uses short sentences. No commas needed. And sometimes ALL CAPS. With all this in mind, Trump’s rising political fortunes aren’t surprising at all. Polling shows he is more popular among Americans that are white than those who aren’t, and more popular among Americans with penises than those without. Often, these white men are also working or middle class and middle-aged – just like Michael. Those men represent a significant voting block in a country which is still 62% white. When those men want to hear from someone who is willing to stand up for them, Donald Trump is only too willing to oblige. And, when what’s “right” is about unapologetically refuting facts, Trump can’t go wrong. It’s quite moronic to think whites don’t have an adv when the ones granting the privileges, regardless of race, are majority other whites. Whites still control politics, the economy and any aspects related to either. And seeing as most jobs are acquired through networking, whites would be in a better position to be networked into a job market controlled by other whites. We are still relatively segregated in this country regardless of what delusion you are under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Horsefly said: It’s quite moronic to think whites don’t have an adv when the ones granting the privileges, regardless of race, are majority other whites. Whites still control politics, the economy and any aspects related to either. And seeing as most jobs are acquired through networking, whites would be in a better position to be networked into a job market controlled by other whites. We are still relatively segregated in this country regardless of what delusion you are under. I am talking about the angry alt right uneducated trump voter who watches fox news daily. Practically same group of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: I am talking about the angry alt right uneducated trump voter who watches fox news daily. Practically same group of people. Ok, I thought you said you agreed with the sentiment. But whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Don't forget about the beautiful, black, former-Democratic women like Candace Owens, Diamond & Silk and Sharika Soal, who have seen the light and are now happy Republicans. Black women were once the Dems most loyal voters. No more. LMFAO the ones being PAID to spout this nonsense by right wing groups on Fox News? You are a piece of work lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/angry-white-men-love-donald-trump An interesting read for everyone on here. Trump's angry white men – and why there are more of them than you think Statistics point to conspiracy theories, mediocre wages and a deeply held belief that this group is anything but racist Mona Chalabi @MonaChalabi Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, last year. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters Michael has presumably had a rough day. Nine hours working as an exterminator takes a physical toll on the 45-year-old, who didn’t go to college, makes $33,000 a year, and relies on a steady swarm of pests to pester people in his 90% rural county. But home, with a glass of wine and Fox News, he’s excited to hear from the only candidate who’s making any sense these days: Donald Trump. Michael is technically fictional, but he’s created entirely from fact. The story of Trump’s success is, in some ways, the story of the many American Michaels. Frustrated white men who reject the stories offered to them, and admire leaders who feel the same. Sign up for Guardian Today US edition: the day's must-reads sent directly to you Read more White Americans feel more angry than black Americans, according to a November survey of 3,257 US adults by Esquire and NBC. White people were more likely than black people to say their current financial situation isn’t what they thought it would be when they were younger, and they were also more likely to put that down to difficult circumstances rather than “wrong choices”. When asked whether they ever hear or read anything on the news that makes them angry, white respondents were more likely than black ones to say they felt angry at least twice a day. There were gender differences too – men were more likely than women to say that they felt angry about the treatment of white men. Trump understands these white men – or at the very least, he understands that these white men want a politician who understands them. It was these voters that Trump was speaking to when he said last year: And if you look at black and African American youth, to a point where they’ve never done more poorly. There’s no spirit. This is more than just opportunism – Trump gets it. Of course, the history of American politicians is the history of many, many white men, but there’s something unique about Trump’s whiteness and his masculinity. He is distinctly unashamed of either trait, and is unwilling to even pay lip service to the notion that they were beneficial to his success. In a 1989 NBC interview, for example, he made his point: A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that … I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage. Advertisement Liberals may respond with rolled eyes or outrage, but for men like the hypothetical Michael, quotes like these are evidence that Trump is simply willing to state facts others are too cowardly to say. Michael still probably wouldn’t think of himself as racist – 10% of white Americans think white Americans are racist. But 38% of those white Americans think black people are racist. More than 20 years later, a Michael would probably still agree with the statement. When asked why black Americans have worse jobs, incomes and housing on average than whites, 45% of white Americans in 2012 said it was because “blacks don’t have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves out of poverty”. The fact that most media organizations do not repeat these beliefs – aka “facts” to some who hold them – merely entrenches the feeling that the mainstream, “lamestream” mediacannot be trusted. The white man pathology: inside the fandom of Sanders and Trump Read more A 2014 study from Pew Research Center shows just how divided Americans are about the media. Liberals express trust in more media organizations than conservatives do, and receive more sources and perspectives as a consequence. Of 36 organizations listed, Fox News stands out as the crucial source to 88% of conservatives who say that they trust the information they receive from the channel. Social media is important too; the study shows that if Michael does exist, he would probably also be checking Facebook – where he would hear from close friends who are more likely to share his views. This isn’t just healthy skepticism– at times it’s an entirely different version of the world. Whether you want to call them conspiracy theories or government secrets, a 2013 survey from Public Policy Polling shows these views tend to differ by political party too (though not all – 28% of Democrats and 28% of Republicans believe aliens exist). Republicans were more likely to believe in Bigfoot, government TV mind control and diseases invented for pharmaceutical companies to profit than Democrats were. White Americans were more likely to believe those claims than black Americans, and in most cases, men were more likely than women to believe the conspiracies listed in the survey. One theory is particularly important: 37% of Americans think global warming is a hoax. That number rises to 39% when you only look at male respondents, 41% for white respondents and 58% for Republicans. With that in mind, it’s easier to understand who the audience is when Trump makes statements like these: Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. 3:15 PM - Nov 6, 2012 66.6K 115K people are talking about this It’s not only what he says but the way he says it: Trump’s writing style echoes online forums and sites like knowthelies.com. Trump uses short sentences. No commas needed. And sometimes ALL CAPS. With all this in mind, Trump’s rising political fortunes aren’t surprising at all. Polling shows he is more popular among Americans that are white than those who aren’t, and more popular among Americans with penises than those without. Often, these white men are also working or middle class and middle-aged – just like Michael. Those men represent a significant voting block in a country which is still 62% white. When those men want to hear from someone who is willing to stand up for them, Donald Trump is only too willing to oblige. And, when what’s “right” is about unapologetically refuting facts, Trump can’t go wrong. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Don't forget about the beautiful, black, former-Democratic women like Candace Owens, Diamond & Silk and Sharika Soal, who have seen the light and are now happy Republicans. Black women were once the Dems most loyal voters. No more. They are all in the sunken place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 My question is this - why is this group so angry? Underemployed? Uneducated? Easily influenced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: C'mon, my brother. I know you can be converted. Take a walk on the wide side with us!! My America is already great. Thx but no thx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Don't forget about the beautiful, black, former-Democratic women like Candace Owens, Diamond & Silk and Sharika Soal, who have seen the light and are now happy Republicans. Black women were once the Dems most loyal voters. No more. because you saw two token black women on Fox news you think black women are turning into Trump votes/fans??..you're off your rocker..😲. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: LMFAO the ones being PAID to spout this nonsense by right wing groups on Fox News? You are a piece of work lol out of likes...BINGO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, DBP66 said: because you saw two token black women on Fox news you think black women are turning into Trump votes/fans??..you're off your rocker..😲. Worth a Thousand words. I wonder if Homie ever looks behind himself at these Trump Events . For that matter just look left or Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, DBP66 said: because you saw two token black women on Fox news you think black women are turning into Trump votes/fans??..you're off your rocker..😲. They did just elect a Pimp in Nevada for their Party. So of course the Names Diamond and Silk would be attractive to them,. Hell I know a Strippers name when I hear one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, DevilDog said: They did just elect a Pimp in Nevada for their Party. So of course the Names Diamond and Silk would be attractive to them,. Hell I know a Strippers name when I hear one I think I’ve been to some clubs back in the day named “diamond n silk” lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: My question is this - why is this group so angry? Underemployed? Uneducated? Easily influenced? they feel Affirmative Action has hurt them they feel that everyone on welfare is a lazy bum who chooses not to work they feel they support only welfare recipients with the taxs they pay....none of it goes towards defense spending in their minds they feel the nation is turning too brown/black/yellow exc...we're losing our identity they feel like Mexicans/minorities are taking their jobs they feel like they media is against them ...they are pissed off about a lot of things....baalieve me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, DBP66 said: they feel Affirmative Action has hurt them they feel that everyone on welfare is a lazy bum who chooses not to work they feel they support only welfare recipients with the taxs they pay....none of it goes towards defense spending in their minds they feel the nation is turning too brown/black/yellow exc...we're losing our identity they feel like Mexicans/minorities are taking their jobs they feel like they media is against them ...they are pissed off about a lot of things....baalieve me! Funny thing is almost all of it is incorrect. They are totally brainwashed by the right wing media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, DevilDog said: They did just elect a Pimp in Nevada for their Party. So of course the Names Diamond and Silk would be attractive to them,. Hell I know a Strippers name when I hear one those two girls are laughing all the way to the bank...too funny...and the Republicans take them seriously?!..what a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, FolsomPrisonBlues said: Funny thing is almost all of it is incorrect. They are totally brainwashed by the right wing media. EXACTLY....shhh..just don't tell them that...don't want to bust their bubble....😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, DBP66 said: EXACTLY....shhh..just don't tell them that...don't want to bust their bubble....😉 Maybe @concha @LiberalDonaldTrump @zulu1128 @thc6795 @Drummer61 can chime in in regards to why the white Republican Male is so angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: And this one. Plus Candace Owens and Sharika Soal. That's five total five huh??...LOL....don't your arms get tired grasping for straws all day long??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: Maybe @concha @LiberalDonaldTrump @zulu1128 @thc6795 @Drummer61 can chime in in regards to why the white Republican Male is so angry. you forgot GSB....that's one pissed-off crew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, DBP66 said: you forgot GSB....that's one pissed-off crew! How could we forget @Gardensateballer @GardenStateBaller Maybe he can fill us in? He is one of the angriest and most radical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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