BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: I'm probably one of the youngest guys on this board by a long shot. But you're telling us how the game was better in your day? You can't make up this kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, BanThisMan said: But you're telling us how the game was better in your day? You can't make up this kind of stuff. I'm young but I'm before the time of what hs sports are today. The transfers from my area to the boscos and such of the world were just starting. Going to bosco and such wasnt a big deal when I was in hs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Why would I speak on a program like sjb when I have never even seen one of their games ever. That's exactly what you're doing in this thread. You seem too stupid to even log on to a computer correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: So how about this....this answer is gonna be ridiculous but how about we shut down all programs that are unstable until they get their act together. Would that help?? No. You're right that was ridiculous. And stupid, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, BanThisMan said: No. You're right that was ridiculous. And stupid, too. But wouldn't the adults have to figure out the right way of doing things as you are saying. If their are no consequences to their failure they will not change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: No I'm not. Absolutely not. I have never given that kind of advice to anyone ever You just gave that advice to everybody reading this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, BanThisMan said: That's exactly what you're doing in this thread. You seem too stupid to even log on to a computer correctly. I have given no opinion of sjb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: If your good enough they will find you and you can get a scholarship. Stupid cliche. What about those that are not good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, BanThisMan said: Yes, you are. You're wrong about a lot of things. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen you post something smart. Or insightful. Or even correct. How am I giving anyone advice? Nobody is taken advice from anyone on this board. 99.9% of people dont even read this board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, BanThisMan said: Stupid cliche. What about those that are not good enough? Then obv they will not be given a scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Its a board not an English paper. Go thru anyone posts I'm sure you'll find many issues on said subject. Yea, but it's all of yours. I've never known any literate person who just ignores their normal grammar just because they're posting on a message board. You probably sound this stupid in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Going to bosco and such wasnt a big deal when I was in hs. So what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: But wouldn't the adults have to figure out the right way of doing things as you are saying. If their are no consequences to their failure they will not change No. You would guarantee that ALL the kids would go to private schools in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: How am I giving anyone advice? 38 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Winning is a big part of competing but athletes today and you see it from the pros to hs dont want to grind it out on the bad team to help make it better so they jump ship. It would be better if they learned how to deal with the program they are at and help make it a more successful program and the wins then are more fulfilling. Unfortunately in reality it's not like that. Its get to the best program you can get too in order to chase the almighty scholarship and of course win games without the year in year out struggle to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, BanThisMan said: You just gave that advice to everybody reading this forum. You have NO idea who and what you are talking to. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Then obv they will not be given a scholarship. You are seriously dumb. Of course Adrian Peterson could play at any school and get noticed. But what about the 99.9% of kids who aren't Adrian Peterson? They can't get noticed at just any school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, BanThisMan said: Yes, totally and unequivocally. Programs fall into cultures of losing because the administrations hire and fire the wrong people. The coaches themselves bail on the programs frequently. The coaches that do stick around aren't given any support. That's why kids leave and seek out better and more stable programs. Don't forget the parents. They also do their part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Is high school sports about coaching kids to be the best they can be and preparing them for college and for life? Yes. The fact that Jason Negro and the majority want to win more football games isn't what it's about. Says the guy who backs a team with a 300 game winning streak in its region Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrepGridiron Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/30/high-school-football-numbers-drop-brain-trauma As I read this article, I was not surprised by which states saw the largest percentage drops. While brain trauma is certainly one major concern, I still think there is an elephant in the room with competitive equity. Coaches like Negro basically saying he doesn't know whether what his program is doing is hurting the sport, but then remaining unapologetic, basically is saying he doesn't really care. Just keep his checks coming. Hey, business is business after all. Right up until your business starts a huge wildfire and you become bankrupt. We've often heard that athletes are gonna athlete... this explains increases in other sports while football experiences decline. Those athletes are gonna athlete. It's ok though. We can keep pointing fingers at all sorts of stuff while the sport withers away on the vine. At the end of the day Coach Negro only plays a handful of teams and can only win a championship in the Southern Section Division 1 (I know they can compete in the Open, but that's not a true playoff format) which is comprised of a handful of leagues. The point is that I don't think competitive equity and SJB deters kids from places like Redwood City, Lancaster, Goleta, etc to play football. The reality for California is that there is continuous and significant demographic shifts. That is the biggest factor, IMO, for the decline. Blue collar towns are on the decline and there are many more activities and opportunities that kids have available to them that didn't exist years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet 98 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, BanThisMan said: Yea, but it's all of yours. I've never known any literate person who just ignores their normal grammar just because they're posting on a message board. You probably sound this stupid in person. WWE Popcorn soap opera!! LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrepGridiron Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, PrepGridiron said: At the end of the day Coach Negro only plays a handful of teams and can only win a championship in the Southern Section Division 1 (I know they can compete in the Open, but that's not a true playoff format) which is comprised of a handful of leagues. The point is that I don't think competitive equity and SJB deters kids from places like Redwood City, Lancaster, Goleta, etc to play football. The reality for California is that there is continuous and significant demographic shifts. That is the biggest factor, IMO, for the decline. Blue collar towns are on the decline and there are many more activities and opportunities that kids have available to them that didn't exist years ago. Just to add on, I've been saying East County (Pitt, Liberty, Freedom) will continue to have better football. That is because of the demographic shifts. In the Bay Area, there is a different profile then there was 20 and 30 years ago. You can see it in the participation numbers of schools in areas where the demographics have altered. Areas where Foothill is (Pleasanton where Oracle and Workday have a huge presence) have declining numbers relative to say Liberty (Brentwood where it is still a blue collar community). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ararar said: Says the guy who backs a team with a 300 game winning streak in its region Is this an attack? I thought we agreed that there are no relevant differences among IMG, SJB, MD, and DLS; they all recruit. Isn't that what we said? So why are we now saying that there is a relevant difference between IMG and SJB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, PrepGridiron said: At the end of the day Coach Negro only plays a handful of teams and can only win a championship in the Southern Section Division 1 (I know they can compete in the Open, but that's not a true playoff format) which is comprised of a handful of leagues. The point is that I don't think competitive equity and SJB deters kids from places like Redwood City, Lancaster, Goleta, etc to play football. The reality for California is that there is continuous and significant demographic shifts. That is the biggest factor, IMO, for the decline. Blue collar towns are on the decline and there are many more activities and opportunities that kids have available to them that didn't exist years ago. I didn't know we were having a serious discussion about what is causally contributing to the decline in football participation. I thought we were still pretending that there are no important differences between transfer policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrepGridiron Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: I didn't know we were having a serious discussion about what is causally contributing to the decline in football participation. I thought we were still pretending that there are no important differences between transfer policies. If there is sarcasm in this, please excuse the response, but the assertion was that the elephant in the room regarding declining participation numbers was competitive equity (or lack thereof). My point is that SJB being a magnet for talent, IMO, has a very minimal (if any) affect on whether a kid from Eagle Rock decides to play football. All that said, I partly get Hawg's argument as the same is happening with our local Little League. So many travel baseball teams have built up that parents are taking their talented kids to those leagues. As an anecdotal rule, these kids are good because their parents most likely have an interest and knowledge of baseball, so along with them taking away their talented kids they are taking away competent coaches that could otherwise coach up a team full of kids with limited baseball knowledge. This creates a vacuum for these little leagues and because there aren't coaches there to to coach and talent to help sharpen skills, parents and kids are less inclined to participate and find alternative outlets. Some of these concepts are discussed in this great article from the Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/whats-lost-when-only-rich-kids-play-sports/541317/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanThisMan Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, PrepGridiron said: If there is sarcasm in this, please excuse the response, but the assertion was that the elephant in the room regarding declining participation numbers was competitive equity (or lack thereof). Yes, an assertion without any evidence. Just the personal opinion and internal angst of the poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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