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2020 election based on likely voter polls only


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32 minutes ago, concha said:

You said "Trump always had about a 1/3 chance to flip those Midwestern states if everything broke in his favor".  You were NOT talking about the electoral college in general.  Nowhere does Nate Silver identify MI, WI and PA and assign a 30% or 1/3 chance of winning them all.

Why would I have to lie about Trump having a 30%~ chance of winning the electoral college when he, indeed, did?

That covers the entire thing. Whether you dishonestly break it down by state to try to cover for you utter incompetence in understanding probabilities.

You are, as usual, deflecting away from the fact that you fundamentally misunderstand math and probabilities.

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Don't listen to concha. Read someone who actually understand probabilities.

Final Election Update: There’s A Wide Range Of Outcomes, And Most Of Them Come Up Clinton

Our forecast has Clinton winning the national popular vote by 3.6 percentage points, which is similar to her lead in recent national polls. Her chances of winning the popular vote are 81 percent, according to our forecast.

So what’s the source of all the uncertainty? And why does the same model1 that gave Mitt Romney only a 9 percent chance of winning the Electoral College on the eve of the 2012 election put Trump’s chances about three times higher — 28 percent — this year? It basically comes down to three things:

  • First, Clinton’s overall lead over Trump — while her gains over the past day or two have helped — is still within the range where a fairly ordinary polling error could eliminate it.
  • Second, the number of undecided and third-party voters is much higher than in recent elections, which contributes to uncertainty.
  • Third, Clinton’s coalition — which relies increasingly on college-educated whites and Hispanics — is somewhat inefficiently configured for the Electoral College, because these voters are less likely to live in swing states. If the popular vote turns out to be a few percentage points closer than polls project it, Clinton will be an Electoral College underdog.
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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Why would I have to lie about Trump having a 30%~ chance of winning the electoral college when he, indeed, did?

That covers the entire thing. Whether you dishonestly break it down by state to try to cover for you utter incompetence in understanding probabilities.

You are, as usual, deflecting away from the fact that you fundamentally misunderstand math and probabilities.

 

I just point out your lies, Andy.

You have dodged and changed your story in an unhinged manner, flailing around to cover yourself.

"They weren't wrong with their percentages at the state levels either. Trump always had about a 1/3 chance to flip those Midwestern states if everything broke in his favor."

Actually, they were.  Nate Silver admits in his 11 November 2016 piece where he pats himself on the back for being less egregiously wrong than the likes of the NYT:  "...Clinton underperformed her polls significantly throughout the Midwest and the Rust Belt: by 4 points in Michigan and Minnesota, by 5 points in Pennsylvania and by 6 points in Iowa, Ohio and Wisconsin."

That's pollster for "the polls were really fucking off in those states".

And Silver's individual odds for winning the states were in the teens to low 20s.  I provided a piece by an MIT statistician that showed even you count correlation between the states, the likelihood of winning them was less than 11%.

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Just now, Atticus Finch said:

But he won them all narrowly and for the same reason.

The reason that Nate Silver laid out.

If one moved then they all would.

This was known 4 years ago and you bozos are still confused.

 

"They weren't wrong with their percentages at the state levels either."   🤡

Of course they were.  Silver even admitted it. 🤡

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

But he won them all narrowly and for the same reason.

The reason that Nate Silver laid out.

If one moved then they all would.

This was known 4 years ago and you bozos are still confused.

That is not necessarily true.  They do not always have results within 1-2% of one another.  Michigan is the most liberal of the 3 politically.

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21 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

No, I said she would win and that she would win historic margins among minority voters.

I was wrong.

But you're lying about the convincingly part.

Again, nobody is surprised.

You said she'd win the election convincingly. Not sure why you're choosing to lie about something so silly...pretty much everyone said the same thing. 🤷‍♂️

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