DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: Do we need their help? š¤£ Never gave any opinion on their criticism, but don't let that stop you from just making shit up as usual. never gave an opinion but posted aboutĀ the British Parliament criticizing us??...hummm....š¤” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, On2whls said: Look, Biden made his decision. Ā If you believe in the man, and believe he was right, then so what if he comes under criticism. Ā Being president isnāt about worldwide popularity. amen...it just funny how the MAGA crowd now seems to have lost their American pride since Donny left town... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 3 hours ago, DBP66 said: other countries are also taking AfgansĀ too...but it's o.k. for England to criticize America?...what happen to MAGA??..LOL..you lost your American pride since Trump left like Dave?...š¤”..š¤” Did not criticize America. Ā They criticized Biden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: never gave an opinion but posted aboutĀ the British Parliament criticizing us??...hummm....š¤” It's a significant event, is it not? That said, please show where I stated an opinion on it. š¤·āāļø Or, just continue being a fucking retard. Either is fine lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 58 minutes ago, Bormio said: Did not criticize America. Ā They criticized Biden and what country does Biden run?....if EnglandĀ insulted Trump it would be a slap in the face to America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: It's a significant event, is it not? That said, please show where I stated an opinion on it. š¤·āāļø Or, just continue being a fucking retard. Either is fine lol. you didn't state an opinion by did feel it was important enough to post....I wonder why?....you like it when other countries criticize us?....obviously.....š¤” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 What will happen is America will abandon our Afghan allies in exchange for getting our people home. Ā The alternative is thousands of American deaths or hostages. Ā People who trusted us when we asked for their help. Ā Donāt think others wonāt notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, DBP66 said: you didn't state an opinion by did feel it was important enough to post....I wonder why? The parliament of our #1 ally voting to find POTUS in contempt is a newsworthy event, at least to those who are not senile retards. š¤·āāļø 8 minutes ago, DBP66 said: you like it when other countries criticize us?....obviously.....š¤” No, not obviously. You're basically just making shit up here. That said, as the guy who spent 4 years on here breathlessly babbling every time one of our allies talked smack about the POTUS, this take is pretty hilarious.Ā š¤£ Carry on, Gramps. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, DBP66 said: you didn't state an opinion by did feel it was important enough to post....I wonder why?....you like it when other countries criticize us?....obviously.....š¤” When the President effs up like this, any criticism is deservedĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 5:23 AM, DBP66 said: LOL...poor sweet granny huh???...just a tourist looking for a good time like the rest of the fellas there??...the poor misunderstood Trumpers..."mostly peaceful protest"?!?...tell that to the history books...šŖ ....: for your "history book". š¤” https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ š Ā PS: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/ š Ā Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, zulu1128 said: The parliament of our #1 ally voting to find POTUS in contempt is a newsworthy event, at least to those who are not senile retards. š¤·āāļø No, not obviously. You're basically just making shit up here. That said, as the guy who spent 4 years on here breathlessly babbling every time one of our allies talked smack about the POTUS, this take is pretty hilarious.Ā š¤£ Carry on, Gramps. sure Dave...you made the post to just toĀ inform everyone huh??...not to make Biden look bad??...whatever you say Dave...š¤” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Bormio said: What will happen is America will abandon our Afghan allies in exchange for getting our people home. Ā The alternative is thousands of American deaths or hostages. Ā People who trusted us when we asked for their help. Ā Donāt think others wonāt notice. yea...it's a Vietnam re-run....the world already saw this show....hopefully we won't be putting any more of these shows anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, DBP66 said: yea...it's a Vietnam re-run....the world already saw this show....hopefully we won't be putting any more of these shows anytime soon. actually you are getting strung out on the.... "highly edited to TRY to make it not look so bad" modified version....š Could you just imagine what all those BOLDED words would have sounded like, if they weren't edited out ??? š¤” Ā ABC News Appears To Have Not Aired 900+ Words From Biden During Interview On GMA. Here TheyĀ Are. By Ā Ryan Saavedra ā¢ Aug 20, 2021Ā Ā DailyWire.com ā¢ Ā SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images ABC Newsā āGood Morning Americaā appears to have not aired nearly a thousand words from Democrat President Joe Bidenās interview with host George Stephanopoulos, according to a review of a transcript published by the network and a review of the footage that it aired. The interviews comes as the administration faces an absolute debacle in Afghanistan that was precipitated by Bidenās chaotic pullout from the nation. Biden has avoided answering questions from reporters during two brief sets of remarks that he gave to the media this week and he has spent a significant portion of time during this crisis on vacation in Delaware, where his administration refuses to disclose who he meets with. Ā A review comparing the transcript released by ABC News to video footage aired on live television on Thursday by ABC News on āGood Morning Americaā and to video footage published by the show on its YouTube channel show that a significant portion of Bidenās remarks, a little over 900 words on a variety of topics related to Afghanistan, were not aired. Some of the remarks that were not aired are inconsequential to the interview, like when Biden thanks Stephanopoulos for the interview. ABC News could have withheld parts of the footage due to time constraints; however, many of the instances in which Bidenās remarks were not aired appear to be negative moments where he struggled. The following are the most significant parts of the interview that do not appear to have aired (a full transcript and both video clips published on the āGood Morning Americaā YouTube channel are featured toward the bottom of this report) with words in bold font not being included in video footage aired by the network. Ā PART 1: STEPHANOPOULOS: Letās get right to it. Back in July, you said a Taliban takeover was highly unlikely. Was the intelligence wrong, or did you downplay it? BIDEN: I think ā there was no consensus. If you go back and look at the intelligence reports, they said that itās more likely to be sometime by the end of the year. The idea that the tal ā and then it goes further on, even as late as August. I think youāre gonna see ā the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others speaking about this later today. PART 2: Ā STEPHANOPOULOS: Iā I think a lot ofā a lot of Americans, and a lā even a lot of veterans who served in Afghanistan agree with you on the big, strategic picture. They believe we had to get out. But I wonder how you respond to an Army Special Forces officer, Javier McKay (PH). He did seven tours. He was shot twice. He agrees with you. He says, āWe have to cut our losses in Afghanistan.ā But he adds, āI just wish we couldāve left with honor.ā BIDEN: Look, thatās like askinā my deceased son Beau, who spent six months in Kosovo and a year in Iraq as a Navy captain and then majorā I mean, as an Army major. And, you know, Iām sure hā he had regrets cominā out of Afganistaā I mean, out of Iraq. He had regrets to whatāsā howā how itās going. But the ideaā whatās the alternative? The alternative is why are we staying in Afghanistan? Why are we there? Donāt you think that the oneā you know whoās most disappointed in us getting out? Russia and China. Theyād love us to continue to have toā PART 3: STEPHANOPOULOS: So you donāt think this couldāve been handled, this exit couldāve been handled better in any way? No mistakes? BIDEN: No. Iā I donāt think it couldāve been handled in a way that thereā weā weāre gonna go back in hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow thereās a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I donāt know how that happens. I donāt know how that happened. STEPHANOPOULOS: So for you, that was always priced into the decision? BIDEN: Yes. Now, exactly what happenedā is not priced in. But I knew that theyāre gonna have an enormous, enormā look, one of the things we didnāt know is what the Taliban would do in terms of trying to keep people from getting out, what they would do. What are they doing now? Theyāre cooperating, letting American citizens get out, American personnel get out, embassies get out, et cetera. But theyāre havingā weāre having some more difficulty in having those who helped us when we were in thereā STEPHANOPOULOS: And we donāt really know whatās happening outside of Kabul. BIDEN: Pardon me? STEPHANOPOULOS: We donāt really know whatās happening outside of Kabul. BIDEN: Wellā we do know generically and in some specificity whatās happening outside of Kabul. We donāt know it in great detail. But we do know. And guess what? The Taliban knows if they take on American citizens or American military, we will strike them back like hell wonāt have it. PART 4: STEPHANOPOULOS: How about our Afghan allies? We have about 80,000 peopleā BIDEN: Well, thatās not the sā STEPHANOPOULOS: Is that too high? BIDEN: Thatās too high. STEPHANOPOULOS: How manyā BIDEN: The estimate weāre giving is somewhere between 50,000 and 65,000 folks total, counting their families. PART 5: STEPHANOPOULOS: You talked about our adversaries, China and Russia. You already see China telling Taiwan, āSee? You canāt count on the Americans.ā (LAUGH) BIDEN: Shā why wouldnāt China say that? Look, George, the idea that wā thereās a fundamental difference betweenā between Taiwan, South Korea, NATO. We are in a situation where they are inā entities weāve made agreements with based on not a civil war theyāre having on that island or in South Korea, but on an agreement where they have a unity government that, in fact, is trying to keep bad guys from doinā bad things to them. We have madeā kept every commitment. We made a sacred commitment to Article Five that if in fact anyone were to invade or take action against our NATO allies, we would respond. Same with Japan, same with South Korea, same withā Taiwan. Itās not even comparable to talk about that. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yeah, but thoseā BIDEN: Itās not comparable to tā STEPHANOPOULOS: āwho say, āLook, America cannot be trusted now, America does not keep its promisesāā BIDEN: Whoā whoās gonna say that? Look, before I made this decision, I met with all our allies, our NATO allies in Europe. They agreed. We should be getting out. STEPHANOPOULOS: Did they have a choice? BIDEN: Sure, they had a choice. Look, the one thing I promise you in private, NATO allies are not quiet. You remember from your old days. Theyāre not gonna be quiet. And soā and by the way, you know, what weāre gonna be doing is weāre gonna be putting together a group of the G-7, the folks that we work with the mostā toā I was on the phone withā with Angela Merkel today. I was on the phone with the British prime minister. Iām gonna be talking to Macron in France to make sure we have a coherent view of how weāre gonna deal from this point on. PART 6: STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the threat to the United States? Most intelligence analysis has predicted that Al Qaeda would come back 18 to 24 months after a withdrawal of American troops. Is that analysis now being revised? Could it be sooner? BIDEN: It could be. But George, look, hereās the deal. Al Qaeda, ISIS, they metastasize. Thereās a significantly greater threat to the United States from Syria. Thereās a significantly greater threat from East Africa. Thereās significant greater threat to other places in the world than it is from the mountains of Afghanistan. And we have maintained the ability to have an over-the-horizon capability to take them out. Weāreā we donāt have military in Syria to make sure that weāre gonna be protectedā STEPHANOPOULOS: And youāre confident weāre gonna have that in Afghanistan? BIDEN: Yeah. Iām confident weāre gonna have the overriding capability, yes. Look, George, itās like asking me, you know, am I confident that people are gonna act even remotely rationally. Hereās the deal. The deal is the threat from Al Qaeda and their associate organizations is greater in other parts of the world to the United States than it is from Afghanistan. STEPHANOPOULOS: AndĀ that tells you that youāreā itās safe to leave? BIDEN: No. That tells me thatā my dad used to have an expression, George. If everythingās equally important to you, nothingās important to you. We should be focusing on where the threat is the greatest. And the threatā the ideaā we can continue to spend $1 trillion and have tens of thousands of American forces in Afghanistan when we have whatās going on around the world, in the Middle East and North Africa and westā I mean, excuse meā yeah, North Africa and Western Africa. The idea we can do that and ignore thoseā those looming problems, growing problems, is notā not rational. PART 7: STEPHANOPOULOS: It sounds like you think we shoulda gotten out a long time agoā BIDEN: We shouldāve. STEPHANOPOULOS: āandā and accept the idea that it was gonna be messy no matter what. BIDEN: Well, by theā what would be messy? STEPHANOPOULOS: The exitā BIDEN: If we had gotten out a long time agoā getting out would be messy no matter when it occurred. I ask you, you want me to stay, you want us to stay and send your kids back to Afghanistan? How about it? Are you gā if you had a son or daughter, would you send them in Afghanistan now? Or later? STEPHANOPOULOS: Would be hard, but a lot of families have done it. BIDEN: Theyāve done it because, in fact, there was a circumstance that was different when we started. We were there for two reasons, George. And we accomplished both ten years ago. We got Osama bin Laden. As I said and got criticized for saying at the time, weāre gonna follow him to the gates of hell. Hell, we didā STEPHANOPOULOS: How will history judge the United Statesā experience in Afghanistan? BIDEN: One that we overextended what we needed to do to deal with our national interest. Thatās like my sayinā theyā theyāreā theyā they bā bā the border of Tajikistanā andā otherā whatā does it matter? Are we gonna go to war because of whatās goinā on in Tajikistan? What do you think? Tell me whatā where in that isolated country that has never, never, never in all of history been united, all the way back to Alexander the Great, straight through the British Empire and the Russians, what is the idea? Are we gonna sā continue to lose thousands of Americans to injury and death to try to unite that country? What do you think? I think not. I think the American people are with me. And when you unite that country, what do you have? Theyāre surrounded by Russia in the north or the Stans in the north. You haveā to the west, they have Iran. To the south, they have Pakistan, whoās supporting them. And to theā andā actually, the east, they have Pakistan and China. Tell me. Tell me. Is that worth our national interest to continue to spend another $1 trillion and lose thousands more American lives? For what? START OF TRANSCRIPT (FULL INTERVIEW/VIDEO CLIPS BELOW): GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, thank you for doing this. PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Thank you for doinā it. STEPHANOPOULOS: Letās get right to it. Back in July, you said a Taliban takeover was highly unlikely. Was the intelligence wrong, or did you downplay it? BIDEN: I think ā there was no consensus. If you go back and look at the intelligence reports, they said that itās more likely to be sometime by the end of the year. The idea that the tal ā and then it goes further on, even as late as August. I think youāre gonna see ā the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others speaking about this later today. STEPHANOPOULOS: But you didnāt put a timeline on it when you said it was highly unlikely. You just said flat out, āItās highly unlikely the Taliban would take over.ā BIDEN: Yeah. Well, the question was whether or not it wā the idea that the Taliban would take over was premised on the notion that the ā that somehow, the 300,000 troops we had trained and equipped was gonna just collapse, they were gonna give up. I donāt think anybody anticipated that. STEPHANOPOULOS: But you know that Senator McConnell, others say this was not only predictable, it was predicted, including by him, based on intelligence briefings he was getting. BIDEN: What ā what did he say was predicted? STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator McConnell said it was predictable that the Taliban was gonna take over. BIDEN: Well, by the end of the year, I said thatās that was ā that was a real possibility. But no one said it was gonna take over then when it was beinā asked. STEPHANOPOULOS: So when you look at whatās happened over the last week, was it a failure of intelligence, planning, execution or judgment? BIDEN: Look, I donāt think it was a faā look, it was a simple choice, George. When theā when the Taliban ā let me back ā put it another way. When you had the government of Afghanistan, the leader of that government get in a plane and taking off and going to another country, when you saw the significant collapse of the taā of theā Afghan troops we had trained ā up to 300,000 of them just leaving their equipment and taking off, that was ā you know, Iām notā this ā that ā thatās what happened. Thatās simply what happened. So the question was in the beginning theā the threshold question was, do we commit to leave within the timeframe weāve set? We extended it to September 1st. Or do we put significantly more troops in? I hear people say, āWell, you had 2,500 folks in there and nothinā was happening. You know, there wasnāt any war.ā But guess what? The fact was that the reason it wasnāt happening is the last president negotiated a year earlier that heād be out by May 1st and thatā in return, thereād be no attack on American forces. Thatās what was done. Thatās why nothing was happening. But the idea if I had said ā I had a simple choice. If I had said, āWeāre gonna stay,ā then weād better prepare to put a whole hell of a lot more troops in ā STEPHANOPOULOS: But your top military advisors warned against withdrawing on this timeline. They wanted you to keep about 2,500 troops. BIDEN: No, they didnāt. It was split. Thaā that wasnāt true. That wasnāt true. STEPHANOPOULOS: They didnāt tell you that they wanted troops to stay? BIDEN: No. Not at ā not in terms of whether we were going to get out in a timeframe all troops. They didnāt argue against that. STEPHANOPOULOS: So no one told ā your military advisors did not tell you, āNo, we should just keep 2,500 troops. Itās been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do thatā? BIDEN: No. No one said that to me that I can recall. Look, George, the reason why itās been stable for a year is because the last president said, āWeāre leaving. And hereās the deal I wanna make with you, Taliban. Weāre agreeing to leave if you agree not to attack us between now and the time we leave on May the 1st.ā I got into office, George. Less than two months after I elected to office, I was sworn in, all of a sudden, I have a May 1 deadline. I have a May 1 deadline. I got one of two choices. Do I say weāre staying? And do you think we would not have to put a hell of a lot more troops? We hadā you know, we had hundredsā we had tens of thousands of troops there before. Tens of thousands. Do you think we woulda ā that we wouldāve just said, āNo problem. Donāt worry about it, weāre not gonna attack anybody. Weāre okayā? In the meantime, the Taliban was takinā territory all throughout the country in the north and down in the south, in the Pasthtun area. STEPHANOPOULOS: So would you have withdrawn troops like this even if President Trump had not made that deal with the Taliban? BIDEN: I wouldāve tried to figure out how to withdraw those troops, yes, because look, George. There is no good time to leave Afghanistan. Fifteen years ago wouldāve been a problem, 15 years from now. The basic choice is am I gonna send your sons and your daughters to war in Afghanistan, in Afghanistan, in perpetuity? STEPHANOPOULOS: Thatāsā BIDEN: No one can name for me a time when this would end. And whatā whaā whaā whatā what constitutes defeat of the Taliban? What constitutes defeat? Would we have left then? Letās say they surrender like before. OK. Do we leave then? Do you think anybodyā the same people who think we should stay wouldāve said, āNo, good time to goā? We spent over $1 trillion, George, 20 years. There was no good time to leave. STEPHANOPOULOS: But if thereās no good time, if you know youāre gonna have to leave eventually, why not have thā everything in place to make sure Americans could get out, to make sure our Afghan allies get out, so we donāt have these chaotic scenes in Kabul? BIDEN: Number one, as you know, the intelligence community did not say back in June or July that, in fact, this was gonna collapse like it did. Number one. STEPHANOPOULOS: They thought the Taliban would take over, but not this quickly? BIDEN: But not this quickly. Not even close. We had already issued several thousand passports to theā the SIVs, the peopleā theā theā the translators when I came into office before we had negotiated getting out at the end of aā August. Secondly, weāre in a position where what we did was took precautions. Thatās why I authorized that there be 6,000 American troops to flow in to accommodate this exit, number one. And number two, provided all that aircraft in the Gulf to get people out. We pre-positioned all that, anticipated that. Now, granted, it took two days to take control of the airport. We have control of the airport now. STEPHANOPOULOS: Still a lotta pandemonium outside the airport. BIDEN: Oh, there is. But, look, bā but no oneās being killed right now, God forgive me if Iām wrong about that, but no oneās being killed right now. People areā we got 1,000-somewhat, 1,200 out, yesterday, a couple thousand today. And itās increasing. Weāre gonna get those people out. STEPHANOPOULOS: But weāve all seen the pictures. Weāve seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17. Youāve seen Afghans fallingā BIDEN: That was four days ago, five days ago. STEPHANOPOULOS: What did you think when you first saw those pictures? BIDEN: What I thought was we haā we have to gain control of this. We have to move this more quickly. We have to move in a way in which we can take control of that airport. And we did. STEPHANOPOULOS: Iā I think a lot ofā a lot of Americans, and a lā even a lot of veterans who served in Afghanistan agree with you on the big, strategic picture. They believe we had to get out. But I wonder how you respond to an Army Special Forces officer, Javier McKay (PH). He did seven tours. He was shot twice. He agrees with you. He says, āWe have to cut our losses in Afghanistan.ā But he adds, āI just wish we couldāve left with honor.ā BIDEN: Look, thatās like askinā my deceased son Beau, who spent six months in Kosovo and a year in Iraq as a Navy captain and then majorā I mean, as an Army major. And, you know, Iām sure hā he had regrets cominā out of Afganistaā I mean, out of Iraq. He had regrets to whatāsā howā how itās going. But the ideaā whatās the alternative? The alternative is why are we staying in Afghanistan? Why are we there? Donāt you think that the oneā you know whoās most disappointed in us getting out? Russia and China. Theyād love us to continue to have toā STEPHANOPOULOS: So you donāt think this couldāve been handled, this exit couldāve been handled better in any way? No mistakes? BIDEN: No. Iā I donāt think it couldāve been handled in a way that thereā weā weāre gonna go back in hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow thereās a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I donāt know how that happens. I donāt know how that happened. STEPHANOPOULOS: So for you, that was always priced into the decision? BIDEN: Yes. Now, exactly what happenedā is not priced in. But I knew that theyāre gonna have an enormous, enormā look, one of the things we didnāt know is what the Taliban would do in terms of trying to keep people from getting out, what they would do. What are they doing now? Theyāre cooperating, letting American citizens get out, American personnel get out, embassies get out, et cetera. But theyāre havingā weāre having some more difficulty in having those who helped us when we were in thereā STEPHANOPOULOS: And we donāt really know whatās happening outside of Kabul. BIDEN: Pardon me? STEPHANOPOULOS: We donāt really know whatās happening outside of Kabul. BIDEN: Wellā we do know generically and in some specificity whatās happening outside of Kabul. We donāt know it in great detail. But we do know. And guess what? The Taliban knows if they take on American citizens or American military, we will strike them back like hell wonāt have it. STEPHANOPOULOS: All troops are supposed to be out by August 31st. Even if Americans and our Afghan allies are still trying to get out, theyāre gonna leave? BIDEN: Weāre gonna do everything in our power to get all Americans out and our allies out. STEPHANOPOULOS: Does that mean troops will stay beyond August 31st if necessary? BIDEN: It depends on where we are and whether we can getā ramp these numbers up to 5,000 to 7,000 a day coming out. If thatās the case, weāll beā theyāll all be out. STEPHANOPOULOS: āCause weāve got, like, 10,000 to 15,000 Americans in the country right now, right? And are you committed to making sure that the troops stay until every American who wants to be outā BIDEN: Yes. STEPHANOPOULOS: ā is out? BIDEN: Yes. STEPHANOPOULOS: How about our Afghan allies? We have about 80,000 peopleā BIDEN: Well, thatās not the sā STEPHANOPOULOS: Is that too high? BIDEN: Thatās too high. STEPHANOPOULOS: How manyā BIDEN: The estimate weāre giving is somewhere between 50,000 and 65,000 folks total, counting their families. STEPHANOPOULOS: Does the commitment hold for them as well? BIDEN: The commitment holds to get everyone out that, in fact, we can get out and everyone that should come out. And thatās the objective. Thatās what weāre doing now, thatās the path weāre on. And I think weāll get there. STEPHANOPOULOS: So Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond August 31st? BIDEN: No. Americans should understand that weāre gonna try to get it done before August 31st. STEPHANOPOULOS: But if we donāt, the troops will stayā BIDEN: If ā if we donāt, weāll determine at the time whoās left. STEPHANOPOULOS: And? BIDEN: And if youāre American force ā if thereās American citizens left, weāre gonna stay to get them all out. WATCH PART I: Ā Ā TRANSCRIPT CONTINUES: STEPHANOPOULOS: You talked about our adversaries, China and Russia. You already see China telling Taiwan, āSee? You canāt count on the Americans.ā (LAUGH) BIDEN: Shā why wouldnāt China say that? Look, George, the idea that wā thereās a fundamental difference betweenā between Taiwan, South Korea, NATO. We are in a situation where they are inā entities weāve made agreements with based on not a civil war theyāre having on that island or in South Korea, but on an agreement where they have a unity government that, in fact, is trying to keep bad guys from doinā bad things to them. We have madeā kept every commitment. We made a sacred commitment to Article Five that if in fact anyone were to invade or take action against our NATO allies, we would respond. Same with Japan, same with South Korea, same withā Taiwan. Itās not even comparable to talk about that. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yeah, but thoseā BIDEN: Itās not comparable to tā STEPHANOPOULOS: āwho say, āLook, America cannot be trusted now, America does not keep its promisesāā BIDEN: Whoā whoās gonna say that? Look, before I made this decision, I met with all our allies, our NATO allies in Europe. They agreed. We should be getting out. STEPHANOPOULOS: Did they have a choice? BIDEN: Sure, they had a choice. Look, the one thing I promise you in private, NATO allies are not quiet. You remember from your old days. Theyāre not gonna be quiet. And soā and by the way, you know, what weāre gonna be doing is weāre gonna be putting together a group of the G-7, the folks that we work with the mostā toā I was on the phone withā with Angela Merkel today. I was on the phone with the British prime minister. Iām gonna be talking to Macron in France to make sure we have a coherent view of how weāre gonna deal from this point on. STEPHANOPOULOS: What happens now in Afghanistan? Do you believe the Taliban have changed? BIDEN: No. I thinkā let me put it this way. I think theyāre going through sort of an existential crisis about do they want to be recognized by the international community as being a legitimate government. Iām not sure they do. But look, they haveā STEPHANOPOULOS: They care about their beliefs more? BIDEN: Well, they do. But they also care about whether they have food to eat, whether they have an income that they can provide for their fā that they can make any money and run an economy. They care about whether or not they can hold together the society that they in fact say they care so much about. Iām not counting on any of that. Iām not couā but that is part of what I think is going on right now in terms of Iā Iām not sure I wouldāve predicted, George, nor would you or anyone else, that when we decided to leave, that theyād provide safe passage for Americans to get out. STEPHANOPOULOS: Beyond Americans, what do we owe the Afghans who are left behind, particularly Afghan women who are facing the prospect of subjugation again? BIDEN: As many as we can get out, we should. For example, I had a meeting today for a couple hours in the Situation Room just below here. There are Afghan women outside the gate. I told āem, āGet āem on the planes. Get them out. Get them out. Get their families out if you can.ā But hereās the deal, George. The idea that weāre able to deal with the rights of women around the world by military force is not rational. Not rational. Look whatās happened to the Uighurs in western China. Look whatās happening in other parts of the world. Look whatās happeninā in, you know, inā in the Congo. I mean, there are a lotta places where women are being subjugated. The way to deal with that is not with a military invasion. The way to deal with that is putting economic, diplomatic, and national preā international pressure on them to change their behavior. STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the threat to the United States? Most intelligence analysis has predicted that Al Qaeda would come back 18 to 24 months after a withdrawal of American troops. Is that analysis now being revised? Could it be sooner? BIDEN: It could be. But George, look, hereās the deal. Al Qaeda, ISIS, they metastasize. Thereās a significantly greater threat to the United States from Syria. Thereās a significantly greater threat from East Africa. Thereās significant greater threat to other places in the world than it is from the mountains of Afghanistan. And we have maintained the ability to have an over-the-horizon capability to take them out. Weāreā we donāt have military in Syria to make sure that weāre gonna be protectedā STEPHANOPOULOS: And youāre confident weāre gonna have that in Afghanistan? BIDEN: Yeah. Iām confident weāre gonna have the overriding capability, yes. Look, George, itās like asking me, you know, am I confident that people are gonna act even remotely rationally. Hereās the deal. The deal is the threat from Al Qaeda and their associate organizations is greater in other parts of the world to the United States than it is from Afghanistan. STEPHANOPOULOS: AndĀ that tells you that youāreā itās safe to leave? BIDEN: No. That tells me thatā my dad used to have an expression, George. If everythingās equally important to you, nothingās important to you. We should be focusing on where the threat is the greatest. And the threatā the ideaā we can continue to spend $1 trillion and have tens of thousands of American forces in Afghanistan when we have whatās going on around the world, in the Middle East and North Africa and westā I mean, excuse meā yeah, North Africa and Western Africa. The idea we can do that and ignore thoseā those looming problems, growing problems, is notā not rational. STEPHANOPOULOS: Final question on this. You know, in a couple weeks, weāre all gonna commemorate the 20th anniversary of 9/11. The Taliban are gonna be ruling Afghanistan, just lā like they were when our country was attacked. How do you explain that to the American people? BIDEN: Not true. Itās not true. Theyāre not gonna look just like they were we were attacked. There was a guy named Osama bin Laden that was still alive and well. They were organized in a big way, that they had significant help from arouā from other parts of the world. We went there for two reasons, George. Two reasons. One, to get Bin Laden, and two, to wipe out as best we could, and we did, the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We did it. Then what happened? Began to morph into the notion that, instead of having a counterterrorism capability to have small forces there inā or in the region to be able to take on Al Qaeda if it tried to reconstitute, we decided to engage in nation building. In nation building. That never made any sense to me. STEPHANOPOULOS: It sounds like you think we shoulda gotten out a long time agoā BIDEN: We shouldāve. STEPHANOPOULOS: āandā and accept the idea that it was gonna be messy no matter what. BIDEN: Well, by theā what would be messy? STEPHANOPOULOS: The exitā BIDEN: If we had gotten out a long time agoā getting out would be messy no matter when it occurred. I ask you, you want me to stay, you want us to stay and send your kids back to Afghanistan? How about it? Are you gā if you had a son or daughter, would you send them in Afghanistan now? Or later? WATCH PART II: Ā Ā TRANSCRIPT CONTINUES: STEPHANOPOULOS: Would be hard, but a lot of families have done it. BIDEN: Theyāve done it because, in fact, there was a circumstance that was different when we started. We were there for two reasons, George. And we accomplished both ten years ago. We got Osama bin Laden. As I said and got criticized for saying at the time, weāre gonna follow him to the gates of hell. Hell, we didā STEPHANOPOULOS: How will history judge the United Statesā experience in Afghanistan? BIDEN: One that we overextended what we needed to do to deal with our national interest. Thatās like my sayinā theyā theyāreā theyā they bā bā the border of Tajikistanā andā otherā whatā does it matter? Are we gonna go to war because of whatās goinā on in Tajikistan? What do you think? Tell me whatā where in that isolated country that has never, never, never in all of history been united, all the way back to Alexander the Great, straight through the British Empire and the Russians, what is the idea? Are we gonna sā continue to lose thousands of Americans to injury and death to try to unite that country? What do you think? I think not. I think the American people are with me. And when you unite that country, what do you have? Theyāre surrounded by Russia in the north or the Stans in the north. You haveā to the west, they have Iran. To the south, they have Pakistan, whoās supporting them. And to theā andā actually, the east, they have Pakistan and China. Tell me. Tell me. Is that worth our national interest to continue to spend another $1 trillion and lose thousands more American lives? For what? REMAINDER OF TRANSCRIPT WAS ON COVID-19: STEPHANOPOULOS: I know weāre outta time. I have two quick questions on COVID. I know youāre gonna makeā be makinā an announcement on booster shots today. Have you and the first lady gotten your booster shots yet? BIDEN: Weāre gonna get the booster shots. Andā itās somethinā that I thinkā you know, because we gā wā we got our shots all the way back in I think December. So itāsā itāsā itās past time. And so the idea (NOISE) that the recommendationā thatās my wife calling. (LAUGH) No. (LAUGH) But all kiddinā aside, yes, we will get the booster shots. STEPHANOPOULOS: Andā and finallyā are you comfortable with Americans getting a third shot when so many millions around the world havenāt had their first? BIDEN: Absolutely because weāre providing more to the rest of the world than all the rest of the world combined. We got enough for everybody American, plus before this year isā before we get to the middle of next year, weāre gonna provide a half a billion shots to the rest of the world. Weāre keepinā our part of the bargain. Weāre doinā more than anybody. STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, thanks for your time. BIDEN: Thank you. --------------------------------------- Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 ....: for your "history book". š¤” https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ Means there was no "planned insurrection" like you try to š¤” claim... Ā and... 22 minutes ago, Troll said: ABC News Appears To Have Not Aired 900+ Words From Biden During Interview On GMA. ...Means even your very best "cherrypicked š response" is still... Ā Ā Ā Ā Hope this helps š Ā Mr. Confused... LOL š¤” Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: sure Dave...you made the post to just toĀ inform everyone huh??...not to make Biden look bad??...whatever you say Dave...š¤” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Bormio said: What will happen is America will abandon our Afghan allies in exchange for getting our people home. Ā The alternative is thousands of American deaths or hostages. Ā People who trusted us when we asked for their help. Ā Donāt think others wonāt notice. Unfortunately, this was always going to be the case. Ā WhenĀ AfghanistanĀ signed up to allow the US to conduct the warfare operations part of the hunt for OBL from their turf, they doomed themselves. Ā Maybe we pressed themĀ that they owed us a favor for helping them to expel the Russians years earlier. Ā All they did was to extend the inevitable. Much of the world gave us a temporary pass to atone for the horror of 9-11, but our actions were always going to condemn Afghanistan to long term hardship. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, On2whls said: Unfortunately, this was always going to be the case. Ā WhenĀ AfghanistanĀ signed up to allow the US to conduct the warfare operations part of the hunt for OBL from their turf, they doomed themselves. Ā Maybe we pressed themĀ that they owed us a favor for helping them to expel the Russians years earlier. Ā All they did was to extend the inevitable. Much of the world gave us a temporary pass to atone for the horror of 9-11, but our actions were always going to condemn Afghanistan to long term hardship. Ā So America is the reason Afghanistan will be condemned to long term hardship?Ā Haven't they faced hardship since forever?Ā They faced hardship long before our misguided actions 20 years ago and will continue too long after we are gone.Ā IMOĀ Ā Having said that, the withdrawal is an absolute mess that obviously could have been better planned and executed.Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Troll said: ....: for your "history book". š¤” https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ Means there was no "planned insurrection" like you try to š¤” claim... Ā and... ...Means even your very best "cherrypicked š response" is still... Ā Ā Ā Ā Hope this helps š Ā Mr. Confused... LOL š¤” Ā it wasn't planned huh??...because there were no invitations mailed out?...Trump didn't invite his clan many times viaĀ Twitter?..."Jan.6th is going to be wild" D.J.T...all those nuts just happened to show up the same day ready to riot huh??...coincidence?..Trump planned it....š¤” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, World Citizen said: So America is the reason Afghanistan will be condemned to long term hardship? We made the situation they were in worse. Ā Maybe someday after years of strict Taliban rule, theyāll find stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 WhereāsĀ 66 to count Bidenās lies on Afghanistan? Ā They are coming thick and fast now. Ā We need a scorecard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Heās busy coping lol.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, Bormio said: WhereāsĀ 66 to count Bidenās lies on Afghanistan? Ā They are coming thick and fast now. Ā We need a scorecard. Bidenās in a tough position. Ā He sees the path of lies to be less damaging in this case. Ā Now, the cyber attack on the state department that was withheld from the public,Ā is gonna present another opportunity to challenge his integrity. Ā President of the US is a tough job, even for a scrappy kid from the tough streets of Scranton.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, On2whls said: Bidenās in a tough position. Ā He sees the path of lies to be less damaging in this case. Ā Now, the cyber attack on the state department that was withheld from the public,Ā is gonna present another opportunity to challenge his integrity. Ā President of the US is a tough job, even for a scrappy kid from the tough streets of Scranton.Ā They always said that - until Reagan made it look easy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, On2whls said: Bidenās in a tough position. Ā He sees the path of lies to be less damaging in this case. Ā Now, the cyber attack on the state department that was withheld from the public,Ā is gonna present another opportunity to challenge his integrity. Ā President of the US is a tough job, even for a scrappy kid from the tough streets of Scranton.Ā I really do not hate Biden. Ā But I never thought he was particularly bright or possessed of decent judgment. Ā And he clearly is less sharp than he was. Ā He is foundering here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bormio said: They always said that - until Reagan made it look easy Reagan more of a statesman. Ā Biden a hopeless politician. Ā He canāt even compare with Carter in terms of character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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