Memphis police

[Belly Bob]

1 hour ago, Horsefly said:

He wouldnt have pale skin nor blue eyes Bob strawberry colored hair.  That is rare for that region and climate 

What an insight.

Hey, thanks for sharing your ideas. I'm richer for the discussion. 

People in North Africa and the Middle East have a range of different skin tones. Brilliant.

Jesus did not have pale skin and blue eyes and strawberry colored hair. Illuminating.

You like Tim Wise's compassion. Awesome.  

I can't wait for the next one.

[Belly Bob]

1 hour ago, Horsefly said:

That’s a lie. You asked me about Jesus race today and I told you today he wasn’t white. ↳

It's not a lie.

It took you 2 days and 7 pages to figure out I don't believe that Jesus had pale skin and blue eyes and strawberry hair.

👇

On 2/4/2023 at 12:13 PM, DevilDog said:

You think a lot.  Let me opine.  You think Ancient Egyprians and a  young child about 2yrs old who was taken there to hide named Jesus are White.

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On 2/4/2023 at 12:57 PM, Belly Bob said:

No, I don't.

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4 hours ago, DevilDog said:

No he wouldn't have stringy hair nor white skin.↳

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4 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

I think we agreed on that yesterday and several pages ago.

You have been participating in this thread, haven't you?

It's even more surprising that you'd think that that was a point worth making in the first place. 

I'd be embarrassed. What an incredible waste of time.

[concha]

15 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

What an insight.

Hey, thanks for sharing your ideas. I'm richer for the discussion. 

People in North Africa and the Middle East have different skin tones. Brilliant.

Jesus did not have blue eyes and strawberry colored hair. Illuminating.

You like Tim Wise's compassion. Awesome.  

I can't wait for the next one.

 

Not alot of sub-Saharan African looking folks in that region either.

Haven't we both been saying that Jesus was almost certainly of a darker hue than Northern Europeans?

 

[Belly Bob]

2 minutes ago, concha said:

 

Not alot of sub-Saharan African looking folks in that region either. ↳

Haven't we both been saying that Jesus was almost certainly of a darker hue than Northern Europeans?

 

I thought so.

I thought that that was implied by the video on page 9 when the scholar said that Jesus was a Palestinian Jew.

I'm still not sure why the video was titled "Time Wise educates on black Jesus...," but I think I now know better than to ask.

8 pages of nothing.

[concha]

interesting:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220417-afro-palestinians-face-double-the-harassment-and-double-the-racism/

Afro-Palestinians face 'double the harassment and double the racism' 

 

Nisreen Salem is an Afro-Palestinian from Egypt who has been mocked due to her skin colour and hair for most of her young life. The 25 year old is one of at least 400 Afro-Palestinians from Nigeria, Egypt, Chad, Senegal and Sudan who live within the walls of occupied Jerusalem's Old City, adjacent to Al-Aqsa Mosque compound.

"The hardest part was when I started hating everything about myself because I was being pointed at and attacked verbally by both Palestinians and Jews everywhere I went," she told me. "We face double the harassment and double the racism for being Palestinian and for being black."

...

 

 

 

 

 

[Belly Bob]

3 minutes ago, concha said:

interesting:

Palestinian AND black?

That is interesting.

[concha]

26 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Palestinian AND black?

That is interesting.

 

Meltdown in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-thought-ancient-egyptian-mummies-didn-t-have-any-dna-left-they-were-wrong

Scientists thought ancient Egyptian mummies didn't have any DNA left. They were wrong
First ancient mummy genomes show that past conquests left little mark on Egyptian DNA

...

Krause turned to a collection of 151 mummy heads from the ancient settlement of Abusir el-Meleq, about 100 kilometers south of Cairo along the Nile. The settlement was devoted to Osiris, the god of the dead, making it a popular burial spot for many centuries. The heads were excavated (and removed from their bodies) in the early 20th century and now reside in two collections in Germany, at the University of Tübingen and Berlin's Museum of Prehistory and Early History. Radiocarbon dating shows that the mummies span 1300 years of ancient Egyptian history, during many of the foreign conquests and then Egypt's incorporation into first the Greek and then the Roman empires.

...

Krause's team compared the mummies' mitochondrial and nuclear DNA to ancient and modern populations in the Near East and Africa. They discovered that ancient Egyptians closely resembled ancient and modern Near Eastern populations, especially those in the Levant. 

...

Later, however, something did alter the genomes of Egyptians. Although the mummies contain almost no DNA from sub-Saharan Africa, some 15% to 20% of modern Egyptians' mitochondrial DNA reflects sub-Saharan ancestry. "It's really unexpected that we see this very late shift," Krause says. He suspects increased trade along the Nile—including the slave trade—or the spread of Islam in the Middle Ages may have intensified contact between Northern and sub-Saharan Africa.

 

[concha]

 

Any nuggets of truth here?

 

https://americanmind.org/salvo/blaming-white-racism/

Blaming White Racism

The killing of Tyre Nichols is a horrific continuation of American black-on-black crime.

Many commenters on the Left have situated the arrest of Tyre Nichols—the black man who was evidently beaten to death by five Memphis police officers, also black—as a racial issue. White supremacy, they say, does not require the presence of white people to effect its ugliness, because black people—especially those working in a structurally racist institution such as policing—internalize the racist attitudes of whites. There is, according to these pundits, a close parallel between the Nichols case and other abuse cases involving white cops and black victims, because many blacks absorb racist views about blacks and enact them against their own race as enforcers of white supremacy.

It makes more sense to interpret the beatings that resulted in this young man’s death as another case of black-on-black crime. Those five black police officers constituted a gang of thugs which unleashed its viciousness against an innocent victim. This is the trauma many blacks in inner cities suffer every day from the gang members who prey on their neighborhoods.

Blacks targeting other blacks for murder is the most systemic form of racial profiling that exists in the U.S. today. Black-on-black crime is a national security disaster and risk. It betrays a deep current of black self-hatred that expresses itself in homicidal rage turned largely against black people.

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the offending rate for blacks (the number of blacks who commit homicide as a percentage of the population) was almost eight times higher than that for whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84 percent of white victims killed by whites, and 93 percent of black victims killed by blacks.

Racial profiling of blacks by other blacks is systemic and pervasive in the black community. One hears it in the music where the black gang lifestyle, murders, sexploitation, explicit and graphic sexual depictions of blacks, drugs, and violence are routinely celebrated and consumed in the black community. There is, as far as I can tell, no other aesthetic analogue in any other culture—not where members of a race or ethnicity celebrate and encourage each other to murder their own kind, hyper-sexualize each other, and sell, steal, and consume drugs; not where a lifestyle predicated on the degradation of one’s in-group is a constitutive feature of the culture.

During an appearance on Meet the Press on Sunday, January 29, 2023, Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan lamented the beating death of Nichols at the hands of the five Memphis police officers. Speaking with host Chuck Todd, the Republican legislator stated, “I don’t know that there’s any law that can stop that evil that we saw,” before adding, “but no amount of training’s going to change what we saw in that video.”

Jordan has been criticized for being offensive and insensitive in saying that. But perhaps he has a point. Evil cannot be legislated away. It can be punished when it violates the rights of others, but the brokenness and the evil that those officers carry within themselves are rooted deeply. They maliciously executed a beating they knew could kill a slightly built man. No law, at least not in a free society, can uproot the aesthetic debauchery or the moral and spiritual bankruptcy of the black community in the United States.

It is not the case, of course, that black American culture has to be this way, nor that it always has been this way. This cultural indigence derives largely from the way that leftists have resolutely made excuses for the worst outcomes for African Americans, insisting that all of it was a result of and reaction to white racism. Everything good and wholesome about black life—the sense of mutual aid, bettering one’s station, and the importance of family and marriage—was denigrated as a kind of false consciousness. Brutish misery was promoted as black authenticity.

Perhaps Jim Jordan was speaking elliptically, for he knew that if he spoke openly he might be rebuked and censured. Yes, of course there are good black police officers who have emerged from a broken and bankrupt culture; one cannot steep oneself too deeply in stereotypes. But stereotypes hold some degree of truth to them. The gang that killed Tyre Nichols derives from a bereft culture, a culture where blacks seem to be represented everywhere, where white supremacy penetrates every sphere of public and private life. But laser focused attention needs to be aimed at a parallel society existing concurrently in the USA.

When we speak of black American culture today, we are talking about a culture that is broken, bereft of values, moral heft, and sustained leadership. It is self-destructing. It is a thug culture that contributes little of any intellectual, aesthetic, or moral value to the world at large. The gang of five police officers who killed Tyre Nichols are the most eloquent manifestation of its ethos.

When asked what comes to mind when we think of black culture in America today, many of us would rather not say, because the answers are stark, dark, and devoid of much we would care to pass on to future generations. So we should not be surprised that thugs dressed in uniforms are no different than the ones with their pants hanging low below their waists who roam the streets terrorizing innocent citizens.

Congressman Jordan is correct. There might not be any laws to eradicate the evil depicted in the video showcasing the killing of Tyre Nichols. There are, however, radical solutions that can be entertained; solutions our society may rather not be ready to consider and implement. They might ask us to ponder the question of who gets let into the future, and who remains outside the realm of admission into civilized society.

 

[Belly Bob]

35 minutes ago, concha said:

Krause's team compared the mummies' mitochondrial and nuclear DNA to ancient and modern populations in the Near East and Africa. They discovered that ancient Egyptians closely resembled ancient and modern Near Eastern populations, especially those in the Levant. 

Well, I am shocked.

[concha]

45 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Palestinian AND black?

That is interesting.

 

As in "unusual".

 

[Belly Bob]

1 minute ago, concha said:

 

As in "unusual".

 

Maybe unusual today.

But perhaps in Jesus' time, most Palestinians were both Palestinian and black, and perhaps all the Roman and Jewish historians of the time didn't think that it was interesting enough to mention because they couldn't have anticipated just how important such details would be to some Americans in our own time.

[concha]

Just now, Belly Bob said:

Well, I am shocked.

 

They were like modern day Middle Easterners.  Black sub-Saharan DNA came in later.

Shit, did I fuck up someone's schtick?

 

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know/

Black or white? Ancient Egyptian race mystery now solved

A study describes how researchers conducted the first successful DNA sequencing on ancient Egyptian mummies.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• The race of the ancient Egyptians has long been a controversial subject of debate. 
• Researchers used genetic information derived from mummies to shed light on the ancestry of the ancient Egyptians. 
• The results suggest that the ancient Egyptians were most closely related to the peoples of the Near East, particularly from the Levant.

Modern Egyptians share 8% of their genome with central Africans, far more than ancient ones, according to the study, published in the journal Nature Communications. The influx of sub-Saharan genes only occurred within the last 1,500 years. This could be attributed to the trans-Saharan slave trade or just from regular, long distance trade between the two regions. Improved mobility on the Nile during this period increased trade with the interior, researchers claim.

[Belly Bob]

1 minute ago, concha said:

The results suggest that the ancient Egyptians were most closely related to the peoples of the Near East, particularly from the Levant.

So basically what mainstream historians and archeologists have been saying for decades.

[concha]

3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Maybe unusual today.

But perhaps in Jesus' time, most Palestinians were both Palestinian and black, and perhaps all the Roman and Jewish historians of the time didn't think that it was interesting enough to mention because they couldn't have anticipated just how important such details would be to some Americans in our own time.

 

Yeah...

That's the ticket...

 

[concha]

Just now, Belly Bob said:

So basically what mainstream historians and archeologists have been saying for decades.

 

You mean mainstream white supremacists.

 

[concha]

3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

So basically what mainstream historians and archeologists have been saying for decades.

 

 

[concha]

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/3d-reconstruction-ancient-egyptian-mummies-180978786/

3-D Reconstruction Reveals the Faces of Three Ancient Egyptian Mummies

Researchers used a combination of DNA and physical analysis to approximate the trio’s visages

 

 

...To approximate the men’s faces, researchers used DNA phenotyping, which predicts individuals’ physical appearance based on genetic markers. (Phenotyping can suggest subjects’ skin, hair and eye color, but as Caitlin Curtis and James Hereward wrote for the Conversation in 2018, the process has its limitations.) The team determined the mummies’ other characteristics through examination of their physical remains, reports Hannah Sparks for the New York Post.

The guy on the right is not remarkably different looking than my younger son (Mom is Latina with mainly European and Native American ancestry with an African great grandfather in the mix).

 

 

[DevilDog]

4 hours ago, Wildcat Will said:

I get the reasons the subjects change. I understand where I stand with these posters. My message is disputed on a daily basis. I have the pleasure of exposing bigotry and being who I am, coming from where I came from, experiencing what I did, I revel in the difference in knowledge levels, some based on upbringing and some based on willful ignorance. 

It is to the point that anything I post, ignorance raises it's head in response. I attribute that to a continued acceptance of denial. A mental state engrained in many. I love to engage these people with regularity. I am under no illusions as to the reasons things are the way they are. 

Contrary to popular belief among the melanin lacking here, I hate no one. I will however, LPexpress my thoughts and my mind can't be changed. I educate, much like you. I pick up things from you and research to my satisfaction. One problem here is the inability of the other side to accept any info. Allergic to knowledge maybe.

The changing and deflecting is their way. Won't stop me though. I will give em hell till I die.

Knowledge is power.  Douglas, Banneker, Turner were exceptional men and couldn't be controlled due to knowledge.  I appreciate your efforts.  U don't post here much for obvious reasons.  But when I do I tried me damnest to burn the house down.  I had plenty more.  Hebrews stating they are black

Lamentation 4:8 Now their faces are blacker than coal. No one recognizes them in the streets.

Job 30:30 My skin is black on me,

[Wildcat Will]

3 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

I wasn't.

But you told me that you agreed with his post, that Black people were the most spiritual people in the world, and then posted the article in support that claim. He, on the other, has said (from what I can glean from his posts) that Black people shouldn't accept Christianity. So, there's the tension.

Hopefully that's not too confusing.

You did. I appreciate it.

Understood.

Now relate my post to overall religious relationships. It does not matter the denomination, only the inference. Christianity was a supplanted religion for blacks. I wonder why many people that are not black question such things within the black culture before European influences? As if without them, nothing else could exist.

That, as I see it,is an example of the arrogance of the Euro-American. I could post historical facts, or anyone could and it would be disputed. The culture war was won and they wrote history........and today, they continue in their efforts to whitewash what the truth really is.

[Wildcat Will]

47 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Knowledge is power.  Douglas, Banneker, Turner were exceptional men and couldn't be controlled due to knowledge.  I appreciate your efforts.  U don't post here much for obvious reasons.  But when I do I tried me damnest to burn the house down

I heed the words of the wise. Never to be caught walking with those that surrender to that which is not fact.

I appreciate yourknowledge, much of which is new to me. Acquiring knowledge is paramount. Taking in............put it this way,  "You only know what you know".......so I aspire to know what others know. 

Just a little thought I live by,

I will not wear the shoe that society has fixed for me. I will always do that which will allow me to live with myself. 

 

[DevilDog]

Lamentations 5:10 Our skin was black like an oven...

[DevilDog]

Song of Solomon 1:5 I am dark but beautiful, O women of Jerusalem--dark as the tents of Kedar, dark as the curtains of Solomon's tents.

 

[concha]

8 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Lamentations 5:10 Our skin was black like an oven...

DD,  this just isn't even amusing.

This passage refers to the change in skin color due to famine.

And in Lamentations 4:8 it is clear that the blackness is change in their appearance.  But now they are blacker than soot; they are not recognized in the streets. 

Verse  (Click for Chapter)

New International Version
Our skin is hot as an oven, feverish from hunger.

New Living Translation
The famine has blackened our skin as though baked in an oven.

English Standard Version
Our skin is hot as an oven with the burning heat of famine.

Berean Standard Bible
Our skin is as hot as an oven with fever from our hunger.

King James Bible
Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

New King James Version
Our skin is hot as an oven, Because of the fever of famine.

New American Standard Bible
Our skin has become as hot as an oven, Because of the ravages of hunger.

NASB 1995
Our skin has become as hot as an oven, Because of the burning heat of famine.

NASB 1977
Our skin has become as hot as an oven, Because of the burning heat of famine.

Legacy Standard Bible
Our skin has become as hot as an oven Because of the burning heat of famine.

Amplified Bible
Our skin is as hot as [the heat of] an oven Because of the burning heat of [the fever of] famine.

Christian Standard Bible
Our skin is as hot as an oven from the ravages of hunger.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Our skin is as hot as an oven from the ravages of hunger.

American Standard Version
Our skin is black like an oven, Because of the burning heat of famine.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Our skins were burned as by a furnace and they became pale in the wretchedness of famine

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Our skin is blackened like an oven; they are convulsed, because of the storms of famine.

Contemporary English Version
Our skin is scorched from fever and hunger.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Our skin was burnt as an oven, by reason of the violence of the famine.

English Revised Version
Our skin is black like an oven because of the burning heat of famine.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Our skin is as hot as an oven from the burning heat of starvation.

Good News Translation
Hunger has made us burn with fever until our skin is as hot as an oven.

International Standard Version
Our skin blisters as from an oven, due to ravaging blasts of the famine.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Our skin is hot like an oven Because of the burning heat of famine.

Literal Standard Version
Our skin as an oven has been burning, | Because of the raging of the famine.

Majority Standard Bible
Our skin is as hot as an oven with fever from our hunger.

New American Bible
Our skin heats up like an oven, from the searing blasts of famine.

NET Bible
Our skin is hot as an oven due to a fever from hunger.

New Revised Standard Version
Our skin is black as an oven from the scorching heat of famine.

New Heart English Bible
Our skin is hot like an oven, because of the burning heat of famine.

Webster's Bible Translation
Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

World English Bible
Our skin is black like an oven, because of the burning heat of famine.

Young's Literal Translation
Our skin as an oven hath been burning, Because of the raging of the famine.

[DevilDog]

4 hours ago, Wildcat Will said:

I get the reasons the subjects change. I understand where I stand with these posters. My message is disputed on a daily basis. I have the pleasure of exposing bigotry and being who I am, coming from where I came from, experiencing what I did, I revel in the difference in knowledge levels, some based on upbringing and some based on willful ignorance. 

It is to the point that anything I post, ignorance raises it's head in response. I attribute that to a continued acceptance of denial. A mental state engrained in many. I love to engage these people with regularity. I am under no illusions as to the reasons things are the way they are. 

Contrary to popular belief among the melanin lacking here, I hate no one. I will however, LPexpress my thoughts and my mind can't be changed. I educate, much like you. I pick up things from you and research to my satisfaction. One problem here is the inability of the other side to accept any info. Allergic to knowledge maybe.

The changing and deflecting is their way. Won't stop me though. I will give em hell till I die.

Make out to Dallas one day and I will gladly history you Brotha.  I'm at a Table now with Indians, Pakistanis  Bangladeshi, Sudanese, and all listening to me educate.  The lesson is on king Negus. I just finished Goat Byriani, kalizira rice.  Eaten like the ancestors.  

I promise I'm legit here in Dallas.  Accepted by a multitude of cultures. Blessed by the most high.  Jesus was never a Christian or White.  Matter of fact I eat no meal that he wouldn't be accepted at.  He was not a swine Eater.  He cast Satan into a head of swings.  NO DAMN SWINE EATER CAN TEACH ME ABOUT JESUS. White Jesus is a damn Swine eater he is a deceiver and a damn liar.

[concha]

I really wish I understood this obsession.

Moors... Egyptians...

Frigging DNA is proving these folks were generally like your typical Middle Easterner and North African of today.

Moorish contemporary art shows they were fair-skinned compared to Sub-Saharan Africans.

And we're not claiming they looked like the fucking Norwegian cross country skying team.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/ancient-egyptians-europeans-related-claims-a7763866.html

Ancient Egyptians more closely related to Europeans than modern Egyptians, scientists claim