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[Belly Bob]

1 minute ago, Horsefly said:

You were the one that asked me about race and Jesus ↳

According to what you called "current racial standards." I told you how I interpreted that phrase and asked for clarification in case I was misinterpreting it.

3 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

The racial standards are the unscientific markers we use in identifying ppl of race, primarily skin color and hair texture.  ↳

based on ppl of that region at the time Jesus would not be called white.  ↳

Who's "we"?

People of what region? At what time?

What do you think "current" means? I assumed it meant "now".

And I assumed the region we had in mind was our region. What region are you talking about?

[Belly Bob]

3 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

We know that when Black men are near women of any race.  ↳

👇

25 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Whataboutism. ↳

Again, what's the point, and how many times will we change the subject? ↳

What is it that you want? ↳

 

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

You were the one that asked me about race and Jesus

The racial standards are the unscientific markers we use in identifying ppl of race, primarily skin color and hair texture. 

based on ppl of that region at the time Jesus would not be called white. 

I can't even get an answer to the Lembas having the priestly DNA. But the Japhites in Europe dont match them.  The Bible says one is Hebrew and the other is not Semetic. These Black Male Jews are traced to Aaron and the Rabbi's.    Crickets

[Horsefly]

2 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

According to what you called "current racial standards." I told you how I interpreted that phrase and asked for clarification in case I was misinterpreting it.

Who's "we"?

People of what region? At what time?

What do you think "current" means? I assumed it meant "now".

And I assumed the region we had in mind was our region. What region are you talking about?

Our region Bob. Lol. Right here in America we use generalized traits to categorize races. 

in parts of Africa and the ME they don’t use black n white labels. You’re identified by your ethnic tribe. 

[FreeBird]

Just now, Horsefly said:

Our region Bob. Lol. Right here in America we use generalized traits to categorize races. 

in parts of Africa and the ME they don’t use black n white labels. You’re identified by your ethnic tribe. 

Where I’m from your identified by your name like willie and mark and Mike 

[Wildcat Will]

53 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Evidence?

Just my 2 cent in a thread that was originally about blacks relationship with cops, goes as follows, 

Researchers found that blacks scored higher than whites on seven of nine virtues. The results indicated that, compared to whites, blacks were more humble, more grateful to God, felt more compassion for strangers and were likelier to provide emotional support and tangible help to people they do not know.

I agree with the above.

[Horsefly]

Just now, FreeBird said:

Where I’m from your identified by your name like willie and mark and Mike 

And how do you identify who is of one race or not, seeing as race is what we’re talking about.  Smh 

[Belly Bob]

4 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Our region Bob. Lol. Right here in America we use generalized traits to categorize races.  ↳

Lol. 

Whose "current racial standards"? Your phrase.

Not the Census. Not the FBI.

Is it a hard question?

[DevilDog]

I will answer the Nat Turner question.  He learned to read and discovered the Hebrew Exodus story.  And realized all tha submitting and turn tche other check was BS.  God of the bible allowed war and fighting yor enemy.  He rose up.  Even today blacks can't wait to forgive when wronged.  Historical brainwashing alive to do.  Loom at the families forgiving Dillon roof.  You would think their dead relatives were at fault. And of course that's what White Jesus would want.  Just as they were taught in 1619

[Belly Bob]

6 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

Just my 2 cent in a thread that was originally about blacks relationship with cops, goes as follows, 

Researchers found that blacks scored higher than whites on seven of nine virtues. The results indicated that, compared to whites, blacks were more humble, more grateful to God, felt more compassion for strangers and were likelier to provide emotional support and tangible help to people they do not know. ↳

I agree with the above. ↳

That's interesting. Link?

"More than whites" doesn't get us very far unless we define "white" and "black" and forget about all those who are neither white nor black.

[Belly Bob]

4 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

I will answer the Nat Turner question.  ↳

I appreciate that.

Can you answer these questions?

👇

37 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Whataboutism.

Again, what's the point, and how many times will we change the subject?

What is it that you want?

 

[DevilDog]

6 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

Just my 2 cent in a thread that was originally about blacks relationship with cops, goes as follows, 

Researchers found that blacks scored higher than whites on seven of nine virtues. The results indicated that, compared to whites, blacks were more humble, more grateful to God, felt more compassion for strangers and were likelier to provide emotional support and tangible help to people they do not know.

I agree with the above.

I agree with you about the original post sir.  But knowing all the history between blacks and cops is the reason that after all these years it's broken.  Mainly do to many not wanting discuss that but instead change it to criminality as if we have a monopoly on that. Maybe Santa can fix it 😁 they believe more in him than your reality

[Belly Bob]

3 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

I agree with you about the original post sir.  But knowing all the history between blacks and cops is the reason that after all these years it's broken.  Mainly do to many not wanting discuss that but instead change it to criminality

Or the Hebrew Bible.

But no one could accuse of you whataboutism.

👇

On 2/4/2023 at 12:13 PM, DevilDog said:

Yet you are flabbergasted at my mindset and will whatabout the hell out of it.  How can I expect people with this nonsense to understand anything to do with another's reality?

 

[Horsefly]

11 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Lol. 

Whose "current racial standards"? Your phrase.

Not the Census. Not the FBI.

Is it a hard question?

We label ppl all the time. As an example when the media says someone is black do they refer to a census datapoint or an entry from an fbi log before saying so? Smh

i was referring to my doctors notes on one of my visits. She identified me in her notes as  a particular race based on her view of what I was, no reference to an fbi log or census questionnaire. (It happened to be wrong Btw) 

when an eyewitness describes a person as being black, what markers do they use to identify? Anything scientific or their socialized view of what a black person is or is not? 

[Belly Bob]

3 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

We label ppl all the time. As an example when the media says someone is black do they refer to a census datapoint or an entry from an fbi log before saying so? Smh ↳

i was referring to my doctors notes on one of my visits. She identified me in her notes as  a particular race based on her view of what I was, no reference to an fbi log or census questionnaire. (It happened to be wrong Btw)  ↳

So your doctor's? or the media's?

Presumably they're not the same, and obviously different from your own. So, we're not making any progress at all. We still don't know what your phrase means.

"our current racial standards" def.= ?

 

[Belly Bob]

For my CliffsNotes, can anyone tell me what the point of the last 6 pages has been?

Is it just the following?

1 hour ago, Horsefly said:

The argument has been all along that ppl from those regions are all differing hues.  

 

1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

 I dont hate Christianity.  I find it troubling when combined on how it was given to black people. ↳

Is there even a disagreement somewhere?

[Horsefly]

8 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

For my CliffsNotes, can anyone tell me what the point of the last 6 pages has been?

Is it just the following?

 

Is there even a disagreement somewhere?

Well for starters DD and I aren’t  the same person. He made his points and I made mine. 

YOU asked me out of the blue if Wise would be black or white? Did you not?  

[Wildcat Will]

31 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

That's interesting. Link?

"More than whites" doesn't get us very far unless we define "white" and "black" and forget about all those who are neither white nor black.

QUALITY DATA ON RELIGION SINCE 1998

February 27, 2015 | By David Briggs

Are black Americans the most religious and virtuous of all?

Tags: Bible, black church, Christianity, compassion, denominations, ecoonomics, emotional support, entrepreneurs, health, humility, nones, prayer, race, self-confidence, virtues, worship

In a nation where rising numbers of people are dropping out of organized religion, one dynamic religious movement continues to display remarkable strength.

The black church.

Several studies and surveys reveal black Americans retain remarkably strong levels of religious beliefs and practices. And that spiritual core is having an impact on community life in areas from health to economic empowerment.

Just how much of a difference was illustrated in a study measuring racial differences on moral behaviors.

Researchers found that blacks scored higher than whites on seven of nine virtues. The results indicated that, compared to whites, blacks were more humble, more grateful to God, felt more compassion for strangers and were likelier to provide emotional support and tangible help to people they do not know.

The only virtues in which race differences were not observed involved compassion and emotional support shown to family members and friends. The study analyzed data from a 2013 national survey of 1,535 adults ages 50 or older.

The black church is not without its concerns. Many black churches are struggling to attract younger generations. Issues such as the role of women and the rise of suburban megachurches siphoning members from smaller inner-city congregations also demand new responses in a new age.

Yet while many predominantly white mainstream churches suffer severe membership losses, black Americans appear to be keeping the faith.

Compare the religious lives of black and white Americans:

Seven in 10 black Americans read the Bible outside of worship; just 44 percent of white Americans open Scripture on their own, the Bible in American Life study showed.

The 2012 General Social Survey found nearly half of blacks reported praying several times a day; just 27 percent of whites prayed with the same frequency.

Fifty-one percent of blacks, compared to 37 percent of whites, strongly agree that they have a personally meaningful relationship with God, according to the Portraits of American Life Study.

Fifty-nine percent of members of historically black churches reported attending services at least once a week; nationally 39 percent of Americans reported attending with similar frequency, according to the 2007 Pew U.S. Religious Landscape Survey.

The percentage of white religious “nones” – individuals with no religious affiliation – rose from 15 percent in 2007 to 20 percent in 2012, while there was no statistically significant change among black Americans, Pew religion surveys found.

That high degree of personal faith matters in maintaining vital religious communities.

A study analyzing data from the National Survey of American Life found that non-Hispanic whites are significantly more likely than African Americans to never attend services and to not have a denominational home.

A major reason: Individuals who are not involved in religion are less likely than others to engage in activities such as reading religious texts, prayer and looking to God for strength, the study finding suggested.

A strong faith also leads to other positive outcomes, research indicates.

For example, the study on moral behavior revealed that “blacks are likely to have higher virtue scores than whites because they are more committed to their faith than whites.”

In a separate study, researchers found that blacks who were more frequent churchgoers and religious volunteers were more likely to have greater self-confidence and less likely to feel overwhelmed by personal challenges.

The findings can encourage health care providers to work together with faith communities to take advantage of “the inoculative potential of black churches,” sociologist Gary Oates of Bowling Green State University reported.

Another area where research suggests black churches are taking a leading role is in economic empowerment.

Forty-two percent of black Protestants said their place of worship encouraged them to start a business. That percentage is nearly three times as high as the 15 percent of evangelical and mainline Protestants who reported hearing similar encouragement, according to the 2010 Baylor Religion Survey.

In one sense, the research findings should not be too surprising. Study after study finds a relation between vibrant religious communities and places where individuals have a strong faith and feel their spiritual needs are being met.

What is more surprising is that so many predominantly white churches have not made spiritual growth a priority.

In particular, it seems a missed opportunity that the spiritual gifts of black Americans and the black church are often hidden or ignored. Or buried under stereotypes that focus disproportionately on political activism or emotional worship.

In the latest issue of the journal Sociology of Religion, sociologist Sandra Barnes of Vanderbilt University advocates for greater, more nuanced research on the evolving role of religion in the lives of African Americans and the relevance of the black church in contemporary America.

“The Black Church has always been complicated, the black community more heterogeneous than described in academic and mainstream sources, and its prophetic witness more dynamic than not,” Barnes noted.

It also has a lot to offer the larger religious landscape – and the nation – if we choose to pay attention.

Image by ValeriaRodrigues Public Domain

 

© 2022 The Association of Religion Data Archives. All rights reserved.

 

[Belly Bob]

5 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Well for starters DD and I aren’t  the same person. He made his points and I made mine. 

Yes, I am aware.

5 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

YOU asked me out of the blue if Wise would be black or white? Did you not?  

Yes.

For my CliffsNotes, do you know what the point of the last 6 pages has been?

[Belly Bob]

1 minute ago, Wildcat Will said:

QUALITY DATA ON RELIGION SINCE 1998 ↳

February 27, 2015 | By David Briggs

Are black Americans the most religious and virtuous of all?

Tags: Bible, black church, Christianity, compassion, denominations, ecoonomics, emotional support, entrepreneurs, health, humility, nones, prayer, race, self-confidence, virtues, worship ↳

I appreciate it, but I'm not sure this is what @DevilDog had in mind, since this is about Black Christians, so he might find this study uncongenial to his views about the good Christianity does for Black people. 

[Horsefly]

15 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Yes, I am aware.

Yes.

For my CliffsNotes, do you know what the point of the last 6 pages has been?

For what I was talking about “yes” for what you were trying to argue, no idea, only you know.

Regardless I’m out.  As mentioned before I like T Wise’s position.  You going on a tangent on classifying him black or white is another issue.  

[Wildcat Will]

36 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

I agree with you about the original post sir.  But knowing all the history between blacks and cops is the reason that after all these years it's broken.  Mainly do to many not wanting discuss that but instead change it to criminality as if we have a monopoly on that. Maybe Santa can fix it 😁 they believe more in him than your reality

I get the reasons the subjects change. I understand where I stand with these posters. My message is disputed on a daily basis. I have the pleasure of exposing bigotry and being who I am, coming from where I came from, experiencing what I did, I revel in the difference in knowledge levels, some based on upbringing and some based on willful ignorance. 

It is to the point that anything I post, ignorance raises it's head in response. I attribute that to a continued acceptance of denial. A mental state engrained in many. I love to engage these people with regularity. I am under no illusions as to the reasons things are the way they are. 

Contrary to popular belief among the melanin lacking here, I hate no one. I will however, LPexpress my thoughts and my mind can't be changed. I educate, much like you. I pick up things from you and research to my satisfaction. One problem here is the inability of the other side to accept any info. Allergic to knowledge maybe.

The changing and deflecting is their way. Won't stop me though. I will give em hell till I die.

[Wildcat Will]

20 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

I appreciate it, but I'm not sure this is what @DevilDog had in mind, since this is about Black Christians, so he might find this study uncongenial to his views about the good Christianity does for Black people. 

I did not know you were asking me to give you a link to something DD posted rather than something I posted.

As a matter of fact, you asked me for a link to the " interesting" comments I posted. I did one better. I gave you the article which included the basis for my post.

[Belly Bob]

11 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

For what I was talking about “yes” for what you were trying to argue, no idea, only you know.
↳

I hope that's not true. That would undermine the whole point of responding to your posts. 

[Belly Bob]

1 minute ago, Wildcat Will said:

I did not know you were asking me to give you a link to something DD posted rather than something I posted.
↳

I wasn't.

But you told me that you agreed with his post, that Black people were the most spiritual people in the world, and then posted the article in support that claim. He, on the other, has said (from what I can glean from his posts) that Black people shouldn't accept Christianity. So, there's the tension.

Hopefully that's not too confusing.

1 minute ago, Wildcat Will said:

As a matter of fact, you asked me for a link to the " interesting" comments I posted. I did one better. I gave you the article which included the basis for my post. ↳

You did. I appreciate it.