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[noonereal]

8 minutes ago, Blueliner said:

Interesting wording. 

Hers the deal. I personally would not act that way if I was the Prez. I’m not that brash. I’m not a New Yorker. But I’m okay with what he’s doing. The political landscape, like it or not, has changed. I’ll take Trump’s brashness and constant ribbing of the dems all day over what the shit show that is the Democratic Party trots out on the field daily. 

I love what he’s done internationally. I like that he puts America first. The left has concerns that the Hispanic vote might be in jeopardy.. And right on que, here comes the caravan from Honduras leading up to the mids. Didn’t we see something like this a few weeks ago with Kavanaugh. Ya can’t make this shit up! Trump is ready to send the military to control the southern border, but he’s putting pressure on Mex to do it...and they will watch. I could quote all the things that he’s done, but I know that you know those things. I’m compassionate, but I’m not a globalist. The Dems suck dude. Straight up. I can’t believe you support that that shit show.. And despite not liking Trump, how the hell csn you not acknowledge what he’s done.

Do we want Pelosi as SOTH? Do we want Cory Booker as POTUS? God help us! Thank God Hillary didn’t win. I’ve been definitely become a little more right of center over the past 3 years.

I am a fiscal conservative so obviously I am at odds with TRump. I am a social liberal so I am obviously at odds with Trump.

To me, lying is not being brash it's simply lying. 

Most of TRump's success are not successes at all. What has been a success is his self marketing. The relationship with Korea for example, he claims this as a success. In truth, we have got nothing and Kim has gotten everything that he and the two generations before him wanted. Look at Iran. What on earth is a success about that? Look at your oil prices which btw, are not yet effected by TRump's actions there. The man simply claims success that are often defeats. We are far less safe today than teh day he stepped into office from a strategic perspective. He repackaged NAFTA. Stuff like this happens all the time. All he does is promote it unlike any other. Laced with exaggerations and lies. 

Putting America first is something we have always done. What is it you think Trump has done? He has enabled China to expand it's markets. 

WE set up the world as it exists to benefit us. There is not one relationship we have that has not benefited us first. 

I don't know about you but I have lead a pretty comfy life. American has led a pretty comfy life since WW2. America is great, was great. Only Trump claimed it was broken. Just like he claimed the Iran deal or the TPP was. Or NAFTA or NATo or.... 

It's all text book BS. I claim it's broken so I can claim I fixed it. It's like someone with a deck of cards. They say the cards are a mess the way they are shuffled. All he does is reshuffle them. Still 52 cards in the deck but now he has set them right. It's freakin' nuts. 

It's OK to be a conservative, a liberal, a republican, a socialist.... it's not OK to be a Trumpet. Trumpism is a corruption of values. Values our dads died defending. 

 

[concha]

What right-wing activist group is there that is as dangerous as Antifa?  They are a nation-wide group that actively seeks out conflict and destroys property.  When you see black clad and masked assholes in the streets, it's Antifa showing up to cause trouble, throwing bottles (sometimes filled with urine), hitting folks with bike locks and clubs, pepper-spraying...

Right-wing groups don't follow leftists around. It's the other way around.

[noonereal]

31 minutes ago, Blueliner said:

To hell with the proud boys. They are a small militant faction trying to oppose Antifa. To hell with Antifa as well. 

Trump will never let us be vulnerable. It’s the left that will. 

Hillary: we can’t be civil

Pelosi: we need to take back our government. And if there is collateral damage. Oh well. 

WTF is this? 

What caused such harsh statements? 

Hill and Pelosi are no spring chickens, they never thought to speak like this. 

I promise you, Trump is selling you an illusion. Just as he did to those people who went to his university. It's substance void illusion. 

We are most defiantly less safe today. This is not debatable. 

[DevilDog]

5 minutes ago, concha said:

What right-wing activist group is there that is as dangerous as Antifa?  They are a nation-wide group that actively seeks out conflict and destroys property.  When you see black clad and masked assholes in the streets, it's Antifa showing up to cause trouble, throwing bottles (sometimes filled with urine), hitting folks with bike locks and clubs, pepper-spraying...

Right-wing groups don't follow leftists around. It's the other way around.

Maybe the ones that occupied federal lands or the ones that motored over that woman in Charlottesville.  Remember you think white supremacist groups are cub Scouts now.  Has Antifa ever blowed up a Federal building? The ones with guns that show up at Mosques.  U 4get.

[noonereal]

3 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Maybe the ones that occupied federal lands or the ones that motored over that woman in Charlottesville.  Remember you think white supremacist groups are cub Scouts now.  Has Antifa ever blowed up a Federal building? The ones with guns that show up at Mosques.  U 4get.

Did you see the story on the FBI building in DC? 

This is real 3rd world stuff. 

Trump will be the richest person on the planet, for real this time, when this is all over unless the GOP grows a backbone and PUTS COUNTRY FIRST. 

[concha]

1 minute ago, noonereal said:

What caused such harsh statements? 

Hill and Pelosi are no spring chickens, they never thought to speak like this. 

I promise you, Trump is selling you an illusion. Just as he did to those people who went to his university. It's substance void illusion. 

We are most defiantly less safe today. This is not debatable. 

Easy.

Here's your answer in a nutshell: The left being more out-of-power than they have been is decades. And having to watch their march towards socialism stalled and even rolled back. Having their anticipated and coveted takeover of SCOTUS snatched from them is a major blow and they know it. 

Look at the Kavanaugh thing. The left loves legislating from the bench and they see their ability to do so being destroyed for decades to come. They flipped the fuck out.

As far as "the illusion", there seems to be lots of pretty concrete and very real good stuff happening, much to your chagrin obviously.

As far a being "less safe" today, you are right to the extent that the left has zero respect for others' first amendment rights and is actively calling for conflict outside of our government houses and polling places. For leftists, it's now OK (and, in fact, encouraged) to chase who oppose you in public, at restaurants and even their homes. Families included. Harassment is just dandy. What was Hillary's message? Effectively "The country gets civility when we're back in power", right? But.... Trump.  Fools. Alinksy, Cloward & Piven anyone?

[concha]

12 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Maybe the ones that occupied federal lands or the ones that motored over that woman in Charlottesville.  Remember you think white supremacist groups are cub Scouts now.  Has Antifa ever blowed up a Federal building? The ones with guns that show up at Mosques.  U 4get.

No violence in one and one guy at the other.

Try to focus.

Who is causing the violence at political events these days? Who tries to violate the first amendment rights of their opposition? Who chases around the other side (and not vice versa)?

[DevilDog]

12 minutes ago, concha said:

No violence in one and one guy at the other.

Try to focus.

Who is causing the violence at political events these days? Who tries to violate the first amendment rights of their opposition? Who chases around the other side (and not vice versa)?

I find it disingenuous that you want me to defend this.  How about this when Antifa pulls down their face coverings they don't look like me and when right wing nutjobs pull off their Hoods or Military scarfs they look just like Antifa? The question should be Why are they so violent? Same damn people.  

I DGAF about either Group.  So showing up at a Mosque with Guns is not terrorism.  It's not violence because its unarmed worshippers being told to avoid them at all cost.  Look what happened when they tried that at the NOI Mosque in South Dallas.  Didn't workout well for Cooter and the gang.  It's the modern version of Flag burning on black church grounds to you it's their 1st and 2nd amendment rights.  Seems whether Antifa or white supremacist. I see the same damn people doing what they have always done and get away with it.  On 2nd thought they deserve each other.  Got my 🍿.  

How's that for focusing?

 

[RedZone]

13 minutes ago, concha said:

No violence in one and one guy at the other.

Try to focus.

Who is causing the violence at political events these days? Who tries to violate the first amendment rights of their opposition? Who chases around the other side (and not vice versa)?

 

[DevilDog]

16 minutes ago, concha said:

No violence in one and one guy at the other.

Try to focus.

Who is causing the violence at political events these days? Who tries to violate the first amendment rights of their opposition? Who chases around the other side (and not vice versa)?

NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-arrests-proud-boys-geoffrey-young-in-manhattan-fight-with-antifa

How's that for focusing

[noonereal]

34 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-arrests-proud-boys-geoffrey-young-in-manhattan-fight-with-antifa

How's that for focusing

this is what Trump wanted. 

[Horsefly]

1 hour ago, noonereal said:

this is what Trump wanted. 

And whatever happens is on his head, he thinks it’s a game and joke.  It will get much worse and some of it will be directed at him until he leads with better temperament. 

[Nolebull813]

Are you guys kidding? The majority of "right wing violence" is in response to the left's obsession with domestic terrorism and anarchy. 

Antifa seems to get a free pass from the MSM. People also forget that the only reason there was violence and destruction in Charlottesville was because domestic terrorists disguised as "counter protestors"

They went to a peaceful protest with the expectations to be confrontational. They caused so much chaos to the point that it set some lunatic off and killed a woman. It was tragic and could have been avoided had these anarchists allowed fellow citizens to exercise their 1st amendment. 

Par for the course with the liberals on the board. Calling out some lady who faked a college degree but haven't said one word about Keith Ellison beating his girlfriend. 

Selective outrage and that's why no one takes it seriously 

[15yds4gibberish]

4 hours ago, RedZone said:

 

To summarize this clip from last night:

• Greg Gianforte is a criminal.
• He pled guilty to physically assaulting reporter Ben Jacobs.
• The president is congratulating a criminal on committing a crime.
• Members of the 'law and order party of civility' are cheering this.

[Nolebull813]

3 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

To summarize this clip from last night:

• Greg Gianforte is a criminal.
• He pled guilty to physically assaulting reporter Ben Jacobs.
• The president is congratulating a criminal on committing a crime.
• Members of the 'law and order party of civility' are cheering this.

So is the guy supposed to be in exile forced to wonder the barren wastelands for eternity? 

He was making light of the situation. What did the reporter do to entice him to body slam him? More selective outrage. 

He is in Montana to support him. It's funny. 

The hypocrisy is expected. No one on the left says a peep about antifa, the crying protestors banging on the Supreme Court doors or causing larger problems than some dope who probably deserved to get his ass body slammed. 

Next story please 

[RedZone]

11 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

To summarize this clip from last night:

• Greg Gianforte is a criminal.
• He pled guilty to physically assaulting reporter Ben Jacobs.
• The president is congratulating a criminal on committing a crime.
• Members of the 'law and order party of civility' are cheering this.

Can't be much clearer than that.....

Of course most that post on this off-topic forum and football forum have the IQs of a dime....

[noonereal]

3 hours ago, Horsefly said:

And whatever happens is on his head, he thinks it’s a game and joke.  It will get much worse and some of it will be directed at him until he leads with better temperament. 

I don't think he ever thinks about it past, "it benefits me right this minute."

[concha]

6 hours ago, DevilDog said:

NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-arrests-proud-boys-geoffrey-young-in-manhattan-fight-with-antifa

How's that for focusing

Observations for you:

1) Antifa showed up looking for trouble at a conservative event. Shocker.

2) Do you think the Proud Boys might have come into being as a reaction to Antifa?

2) Are the Proud Boys a nation-wide organization constantly showing up at leftist events looking for trouble>

[concha]

 

5 hours ago, noonereal said:

this is what Trump wanted. 

Antifa doesn't show up looking for trouble at a conservative event and nothing happens.

Simple.

I know you have an irresistible drive to drag Trump into everything negative you can think of, but this is just another swing and miss.

[Blueliner]

9 hours ago, DevilDog said:

It's rare to read 3 articulate people on here at the same time. . Especially with opposing views.  I'm enjoying the retorts.  I would only add Kanye is a threat to himself not the left.  He speaks for himself and maybe Candance Owens.  Right wing activist a Helluva lot more dangerous than left wing activist and it's not close IMO. How would the right be acting if Kanye had  met President Obama in the White House and acted that way and even cursed.  Remember they hated him for even inviting Jay-Z and common to it. Fox News called his bday a Hip Hop BBQ.   So yeah it's B.S.

Good takes brothas.  

Yes. Good stuff, DD. Speaking of which. I’m watching Fox right now and they’re having a group discussion consisting of two Dems and 3 Repubs. They are having EXCELLENT, civil, productive conversation/debate. If these 5 people were in charge, we’d be in a lot better place. Of course that’s tongue in cheek, but not that far off.  It’s amazing that when we just stop for a minute and take away the emotion, take away the violence, we all want basically the same thing. Just different views on how to get there. Some very different views🤣

[RedZone]

1 hour ago, Blueliner said:

Yes. Good stuff, DD. Speaking of which. I’m watching Fox right now and they’re having a group discussion consisting of two Dems and 3 Repubs. They are having EXCELLENT, civil, productive conversation/debate. If these 5 people were in charge, we’d be in a lot better place. Of course that’s tongue in cheek, but not that far off.  It’s amazing that when we just stop for a minute and take away the emotion, take away the violence, we all want basically the same thing. Just different views on how to get there. Some very different views🤣

crying concha wants to know can he still post 50 memes per day and be civil?

[Blueliner]

13 hours ago, noonereal said:

What caused such harsh statements? 

Hill and Pelosi are no spring chickens, they never thought to speak like this. 

I promise you, Trump is selling you an illusion. Just as he did to those people who went to his university. It's substance void illusion. 

We are most defiantly less safe today. This is not debatable. 

So you’re blaming Trump for this? You’re high. I try to relate with you, but your words go against everything you say you’re about. You act like a wacky left winger. Seriousy, nor. It’s clear all you see is hate a trump. 

[noonereal]

6 hours ago, Blueliner said:

So you’re blaming Trump for this? You’re high. I try to relate with you, but your words go against everything you say you’re about. You act like a wacky left winger. Seriousy, nor. It’s clear all you see is hate a trump. 

I most definitely an anti Trumper. 

Blaming Trump for what? I'll answer as you should know, honest and straight forward. 

You struggle to understand me because I do not pick any tribe. I am pragmatic and reasoned. My wants are consistent with a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.I understand that no man is an island (no country) and that Trump's "live for today" attitude has caused him bankruptcy and forced him to raise investment money on the international black market.That is not a good approach for a country.

Sometimes Trump wins. Most times he just says he does. I almost voted for Trump and was certainly wide open to him. I understand his brilliance in self promotion and mass psychology and have always respected that. 

I don't know why but I always have seen things different than others. I have never been tribal. It's like I see things out of context which BRINGS NEW CONTEXT. Not just here but in all of life. (Trust me, I have stunned many people)

Don't look for me a agree with you, don't look for my posts to disagree with you. Look for my posts to bring a different perspective. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blueliner]

3 hours ago, noonereal said:

I most definitely an anti Trumper. 

Blaming Trump for what? I'll answer as you should know, honest and straight forward. 

You struggle to understand me because I do not pick any tribe. I am pragmatic and reasoned. My wants are consistent with a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.I understand that no man is an island (no country) and that Trump's "live for today" attitude has caused him bankruptcy and forced him to raise investment money on the international black market.That is not a good approach for a country.

Sometimes Trump wins. Most times he just says he does. I almost voted for Trump and was certainly wide open to him. I understand his brilliance in self promotion and mass psychology and have always respected that. 

I don't know why but I always have seen things different than others. I have never been tribal. It's like I see things out of context which BRINGS NEW CONTEXT. Not just here but in all of life. (Trust me, I have stunned many people)

Don't look for me a agree with you, don't look for my posts to disagree with you. Look for my posts to bring a different perspective. 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough. Good post. I appreciate your candor.

That’s a accurate cartoon. 99.9% of the time.

[Blueliner]

12 hours ago, RedZone said:

crying concha wants to know can he still post 50 memes per day and be civil?

I don’t know why you call him crying concha. Dude got tired of flogging you like an inquisition prisoner so he had to put you on ignore. And all of your little name calling out to him won’t bring back the attention you so desperately want from him. Like a school girl. Pretty funny.🤣