Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 West Coast We can trace the start of the Super teams to the Bishop Gorman 2014 team (Martel's Soph year). This team lost alot from the 2013 and looked primed to take a "L". I watched their game vs a very good Servite team featuring Travis Waller and Equinamious St. Brown. I fully expected Servite to win this game. However the team that The Bishop fielded that night was LOADED with transfer talent. This was the start of their long winning streak. Servite did everything possible to find and exploit a weakness, but The Bishop simply had No Weakness. Anywhere. Some may say that 2013 SJB team was the start of the Super Teams, but I disagree. The majority of the SJB team that year came up through the program, with a few Lakewood transfer starters sprinkled in due to the LBUSD killing the Lakewood football program. Some may also say that 2006 Bellevue was a Super team, but they only had 1-2 impact transfers. After Mater Dei lost three consecutive games, The Stache said he "blew up the program", and built a new model that was more open to accepting transfers. The Stache had no choice in order to keep up with SJB. The last Mater Dei homegrown team was in 2016 when they fell short vs. SJB. From 2015-2019 SJB and Mater Dei benefited from Trinity League transfers coming in from OLU, and Servite, due to coaching changes and weak head coaches. With Troy Thomas back at Servite, the Trinity League transfer pipeline will dry up, and impact SJB the most. My prediction is that over time SJB will drop off first, and battle with Servite for the second spot. Mater Dei will continue to thrive as long as The Stache is at the helm. DLS will eventually enter the arms race due to pressure from the Alumni. There will be sanctimonious guys on this forum that will deny this, but Butter and the football alumni are too competitive to allow DLS's slide to continue much longer. East Coast While the So Cal teams somewhat have their hands tied by the CIF, the room and board Academies of IMG and SFA have no such restraints. It is truly the "Wild West" on the East coast. If these teams can improve their coaching staffs, and get the kids into the program by their Junior year (rather than SR. year), these programs will rule HS football. The South STA is the likely candidate in the South to get more aggressive in order to maintain their national profile. This program likes to travel the USA and play the best competition possible. They will need to harvest the best of the rich Florida Texas For decades, Texas was the unchallenged King of HS football, this has changed with the advent of Super Teams. The first whiff of Texas vulnerability to Super Teams, was the loss to Bellevue and also the beatdown that IMG put on DeSoto. Probably the last Texas team that could play with the Super Teams was the 2013 Kyler Murray led Allen squad. Despite denials of sanctimonious Texas posters, the coaches are to proud to be kept out of the national conversation. Look for Top Texas 6a programs to begin playing more high profile OOS games, and even travelling. The battle for Texas talent will get fierce as transferring becomes more rampant, even taking transfers from OOS. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I stopped reading after West coast what’s your point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: I stopped reading after West coast what’s your point? My point was to expose your short attention span. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Trying to follow Sammy's ramblings like 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Trying to follow Sammy's ramblings like Just tyna put out some content to perk up the boards. The topics have been weak the past couple days. 27 pages on Shadow Creek? At least I tried. Bye 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: West Coast We can trace the start of the Super teams to the Bishop Gorman 2014 team (Martel's Soph year). This team lost alot from the 2013 and looked primed to take a "L". I watched their game vs a very good Servite team featuring Travis Waller and Equinamious St. Brown. I fully expected Servite to win this game. However the team that The Bishop fielded that night was LOADED with transfer talent. This was the start of their long winning streak. Servite did everything possible to find and exploit a weakness, but The Bishop simply had No Weakness. Anywhere. Some may say that 2013 SJB team was the start of the Super Teams, but I disagree. The majority of the SJB team that year came up through the program, with a few Lakewood transfer starters sprinkled in due to the LBUSD killing the Lakewood football program. Some may also say that 2006 Bellevue was a Super team, but they only had 1-2 impact transfers. After Mater Dei lost three consecutive games, The Stache said he "blew up the program", and built a new model that was more open to accepting transfers. The Stache had no choice in order to keep up with SJB. The last Mater Dei homegrown team was in 2016 when they fell short vs. SJB. From 2015-2019 SJB and Mater Die benefitted from Trinity League transfers coming in from OLU, and Servite, due to coaching changes and weak head coaches. With Troy Thomas back at Servite, the Trinity League transfer pipeline will dry up, and impact SJB the most. My prediction is that over time SJB will drop off first, and battle with Servite for the second spot. Mater Dei will continue to thrive as long as The Stache is at the helm. DLS will eventually enter the arms race due to pressure from the Alumni. There will be sanctimonious guys on this forum that will deny this, but Butter and the football alumni are too competitive to allow DLS's slide to continue much longer. East Coast While the So Cal teams somewhat have their hands tied by the CIF, the room and board Academies of IMG and SFA have no such restraints. It is truly the "Wild West" on the East coast. If these teams can improve their coaching staffs, and get the kids into the program by their Junior year (rather than SR. year), these programs will rule HS football. The South STA is the likely candidate in the South to get more aggressive in order to maintain their national profile. This program likes to travel the USA and play the best competition possible. They will need to harvest the best of the rich Florida Texas For decades, Texas was the unchallenged King of HS football, this has changed with the advent of Super Teams. The first whiff of Texas vulnerability to Super Teams, was the loss to Bellevue and also the beatdown that IMG put on DeSoto. Probably the last Texas team that could play with the Super Teams was the 2013 Kyler Murray led Allen squad. Despite denials of sanctimonious Texas posters, the coaches are to proud to be kept out of the national conversation. Look for Top Texas 6a programs to begin playing more high profile OOS games, and even travelling. The battle for Texas talent will get fierce as transferring becomes more rampant, even taking transfers from OOS. 2013 SJB was mos def the first one in Cali. 20+ transfers that year and DLS still took them to the wire in the Bowl game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 And Allen could be the first one in 2012 or 13, whenever Kyler transferred there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, AztecPadre said: 2013 SJB was mos def the first one in Cali. 20+ transfers that year and DLS still took them to the wire in the Bowl game. True about the transfers, but only a few of the 20 actually got playing time. The 2013 SJB team was not cherry picking talent to fill weak spots like the Super teams of the past couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, AztecPadre said: And Allen could be the first one in 2012 or 13, whenever Kyler transferred there. Allen was not cherry picking from other schools to shore up weak spots, like todays Super Teams (ala Mater Dei) do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: Allen was not cherry picking from other schools to shore up weak spots, like todays Super Teams (ala Mater Dei) do. I have to now go find that article that says otherwise. Not to the extent of SoCal, Florida or the BNU, but there were some. Plus in a school with 6k + students, the only need was a star qb and in came Kyler, followed by the one from MN, ect ect ect.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Just tyna put out some content to perk up the boards. The topics have been weak the past couple days. 27 pages on Shadow Creek? At least I tried. Bye 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, AztecPadre said: DLS the refs and the dozen bogus holding penalties still took them to the wire in the Bowl game. FTFY 😄 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT4Spartan06 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, dntn31 said: FTFY 😄 Ohhhh man don't get Pops fired up!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: FTFY 😄 Y'all were holding literally on every play. Especially that one huge OL, can't remember his name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, AztecPadre said: Y'all were holding literally on every play. Especially that one huge OL, can't remember his name. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Just tyna put out some content to perk up the boards. The topics have been weak the past couple days. 27 pages on Shadow Creek? At least I tried. Bye Everything doesn’t have to be about the TL either. You shove that stuff down our throats daily with thread after thread. Your threads are redundant, we are all aware of how the West coast teams came about. How many ways can you say “recruiting” anyways? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, LT4Spartan06 said: Ohhhh man don't get Pops fired up!! Sammy said he wanted to liven up the boards. Doing my best to help him out in that regard... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: Everything doesn’t have to be about the TL either. You shove that stuff down our throats daily with thread after thread. Your threads are redundant, we are all aware of how the West coast teams came about. How many ways can you say “recruiting” anyways? 😉 Maybe I should post statements on things I don't know anything about. You know like the Texas guys posting about The Trinity League. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: The topics have been weak the past couple days. 27 pages on Shadow Creek? When I see a topic with (TX) in the title and created by TexasFrog this is usually how it stays in my browser (unread): 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Maybe I should post statements on things I don't know anything about. You know like the Texas guys posting about The Trinity League. Now what do you think the “wink” at the end of my post meant? 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEOC89 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: DLS will eventually enter the arms race due to pressure from the Alumni. There will be sanctimonious guys on this forum that will deny this, but Butter and the football alumni are too competitive to allow DLS's slide to continue much longer. This is not True... The DLS Alumi do not care that it takes Transferred up All Star Team to beat them... The Alumni care more about changing the Transfer rules then they do about changing what DLS does... DLS will not take in Junior and Senior Transfers just to win Football games like Folsom and the So Cal Teams do.... They will work with the Kids who are there as Freshman and Sophomores and develop them to the best of their abilities... They will continue to Challenge themselves with a tough schedule and do whatever they can to compete against the So Cal All Stars in the Open Game... They will never pull that type of garbage like MD did having players transfer in for Football season and Transfer back to their Public schools to graduate... That is just not how DLS operate's and Football is not that important to DLS, their success in Football is a byproduct of the development, hard work and Brotherhood of their players, not about winning Mythical National Championships.... Just look at the last 2 High Profile Transfers that came there as Juniors... Neither was on the team their SR year and one of those players was a highly recruited All American Lineman who was Blowing up SJB's Massive line all night causing a bunch of holding penalties on SJB in the 2013 SBG game... When that Kid didn't want to follow the program, DLS said we will be just fine without you... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, THEOC89 said: This is not True... The DLS Alumi do not care that it takes Transferred up All Star Team to beat them... The Alumni care more about changing the Transfer rules then they do about changing what DLS does... DLS will not take in Junior and Senior Transfers just to win Football games like Folsom and the So Cal Teams do.... They will work with the Kids who are there as Freshman and Sophomores and develop them to the best of their abilities... They will continue to Challenge themselves with a tough schedule and do whatever they can to compete against the So Cal All Stars in the Open Game... They will never pull that type of garbage like MD did having players transfer in for Football season and Transfer back to their Public schools to graduate... That is just not how DLS operate's and Football is not that important to DLS, their success in Football is a byproduct of the development, hard work and Brotherhood of their players, not about winning Mythical National Championships.... Just look at the last 2 High Profile Transfers that came there as Juniors... Neither was on the team their SR year and one of those players was a highly recruited All American Lineman who was Blowing up SJB's Massive line all night causing a bunch of holding penalties on SJB in the 2013 SBG game... When that Kid didn't want to follow the program, DLS said we will be just fine without you... That's a very noble sentiment, but one that might ultimately lead to a very long title drought for DLS unless something does change at the rules/enforcement level (no indication that is going to happen any time soon). It will be interesting to see how long this position can be maintained. Will the Spartan faithful be willing to hold strong after 10 years without winning state? 20? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, THEOC89 said: This is not True... The DLS Alumi do not care that it takes Transferred up All Star Team to beat them... The Alumni care more about changing the Transfer rules then they do about changing what DLS does... DLS will not take in Junior and Senior Transfers just to win Football games like Folsom and the So Cal Teams do.... They will work with the Kids who are there as Freshman and Sophomores and develop them to the best of their abilities... They will continue to Challenge themselves with a tough schedule and do whatever they can to compete against the So Cal All Stars in the Open Game... They will never pull that type of garbage like MD did having players transfer in for Football season and Transfer back to their Public schools to graduate... That is just not how DLS operate's and Football is not that important to DLS, their success in Football is a byproduct of the development, hard work and Brotherhood of their players, not about winning Mythical National Championships.... Just look at the last 2 High Profile Transfers that came there as Juniors... Neither was on the team their SR year and one of those players was a highly recruited All American Lineman who was Blowing up SJB's Massive line all night causing a bunch of holding penalties on SJB in the 2013 SBG game... When that Kid didn't want to follow the program, DLS said we will be just fine without you... In that case, how much longer to you expect Alumbaugh to hang around? He's a young guy and certainly is ambitious as well. Why would he stay at DLS under your scenario? Once Alumbaugh leaves, Lad and Eidison will leave and then its Buh Bye DLS. This program is on life support and will either need to get relevant or the program will dissolve. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet 98 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Just tyna put out some content to perk up the boards. The topics have been weak the past couple days. 27 pages on Shadow Creek? At least I tried. Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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