"It's a cult, no joke.

[HSFBfan]

25 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theory.html

The seepage of conspiracy theorizing from the digital fever swamps into life offline is one of the more unsettling developments of the Trump era, in which the president has relentlessly pushed groundless conspiracies to reshape political narratives to his liking. In promoting fringe ideas about deep state schemes, Mr. Trump has at times elevated and encouraged QAnon followers — recirculating their posts on Twitter, posing with one for a photograph in the Oval Office, inviting some to a White House “social media summit.” Recently, during a daylong Twitter binge, Mr. Trump retweeted more than 20 posts from accounts that had trafficked in QAnon material.

...

About a dozen candidates for public office in the United States have promoted or dabbled in QAnon, and its adherents have been arrested in at least seven episodes, including a murder in New York and an armed standoff with the police near the Hoover Dam. The F.B.I. cited QAnon in an intelligence bulletin last May about the potential for violence motivated by “fringe political conspiracy theories.”

 

But nothing about the lunatic who drove a van thru the GOP registration tent yesterday??

I dont see any posts condemning him. Btw hes been locked up

[Testadura]

44 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theory.html

The seepage of conspiracy theorizing from the digital fever swamps into life offline is one of the more unsettling developments of the Trump era, in which the president has relentlessly pushed groundless conspiracies to reshape political narratives to his liking. In promoting fringe ideas about deep state schemes, Mr. Trump has at times elevated and encouraged QAnon followers — recirculating their posts on Twitter, posing with one for a photograph in the Oval Office, inviting some to a White House “social media summit.” Recently, during a daylong Twitter binge, Mr. Trump retweeted more than 20 posts from accounts that had trafficked in QAnon material.

...

About a dozen candidates for public office in the United States have promoted or dabbled in QAnon, and its adherents have been arrested in at least seven episodes, including a murder in New York and an armed standoff with the police near the Hoover Dam. The F.B.I. cited QAnon in an intelligence bulletin last May about the potential for violence motivated by “fringe political conspiracy theories.”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv6w_ys5sJo

 

"Barney Miller," 1981.  lol

[Testadura]

1 minute ago, Testadura said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv6w_ys5sJo

 

"Barney Miller," 1981.  lol

Trump and Brexit and other populist movements--which were predicted by progressive Dem philosopher Richard Rorty and many others since the 1990s--threaten what Carter saw, Reagan achieved, and Bush I put into overdrive.  Of course, those guys (the Establishment, the political class, the Elites, the Military Industrial Complex, etc.) will fight back.  You don't have to call them part of a grand conspiracy, but CIA agents called SPIES for a reason.  The CIA's motto is along the lines of, tell the truth, which in fact is NOT their job, (and against the weight of evidence), is hysterical, and is what I'd expect my chief spying agency to have as its slogan.  But the CIA needs to stay in its lane.  Haberdasher Truman fired 5-star, 1st-in-his-West-Point-Class (along with his Dad) MacArthur.  There's only 1 Commander-in-Chief.  The Dems and Libs used to like that.

German Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1996:  "The nation state * * * cannot solve the great problems of the twenty-first century."  This is THE fight.

And Kohl's incredibly-risky and devoid-of-any-evidence assertion was very bold when considering from the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 up till the late twentieth century the European nation state was seen as the best underwriter of constitutional order, liberal rights, and peace.  Let's try something new, but not on a small, try-it-out level--let's go balls deep in the completely-opposite direction.  When stuff like this happens, you have to ask questions--e.g., why, who benefits, what will it look like, do we really need to chose the nuclear option, etc.?

Disintegration of the nation states into one large integrated political union , though, became the goal.  It's not working out too well, not surprisingly.

Trump SAYs he's against the purest version of the New World Order (NWO) as much as reasonably possible.  He might be lying. 

I myself might be making more bank now than I would have been relatively speaking, had I been working in the 1950s, but this NWO has killed a huge segment of this Country in the process.  Old-time Dems knew that you didn't let the Elites run free--how did that party forget so quickly?  And don't think that massive immigration, beyond any historical norms, isn't geared in part to make all places "no place," which will expedite a NWO to save us all from the mess that they created.

[Testadura]

This almost too funny.  https://citizentruth.org/operation-mockingbird-cia-media-manipulation/

"Operation Mockingbird and the CIA’s History of Media Manipulation"

Operation Mockingbird was a CIA program that enlisted more than 400 American journalists, as well as journalists around the world, to manipulate public opinion by spreading propaganda or what we call it today, fake news.

In an era of “fake news” and revelations of Facebook sharing user information to outside sources in an apparent attempt to influence voters for elections, the veracity of what we see in the media is more crucial than ever. However, it is far from a new phenomenon as the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird spent years planting fake news stories in an effort to sway public opinion.

Operation Mockingbird: The CIA’s Love Affair With Manipulating News

As far back as the end of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has played a major role in news media here in the U.S. as well as in foreign nations, exerting considerable influence over what the public sees, hears and reads on a regular basis.

Operation Mockingbird was an alleged large-scale program within the CIA to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. The program is thought to have been born out of the CIA’s forefather, the Office for Strategic Services (OSS), which existed from 1942 to 1947.

During World War II, Operation Mockingbird had established a network of journalists and psychological warfare experts, operating primarily in the European theatre.

Other possible origins include the early years of the Cold War, which began in 1947, when efforts were made by the governments of the Soviet Union and the United States to use media companies to influence public opinion internationally.

Operation Mockingbird Exposed

Mockingbird’s strategies and many ties have since become public knowledge through several high-profile investigations and exposés.

One of the first discoveries of the covert motives of Operation Mockingbird occurred in 1967, when an article in political and literary magazine Ramparts reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.

Throughout the next decade, several investigations would probe the CIA’s ties with the news media. Among the most prominent reports was writer Carl Bernstein’s lengthy 25,000-word cover story detailing Operation Mockingbird, published in Rolling Stone on October 20, 1977.

While just a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Carl Bernstein had also done much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. After leaving The Washington Post in 1977, Bernstein spent six months looking into the relationship between the CIA and the press during the Cold War years.

Bernstein concluded that in the past 25 years, more than 400 American journalists secretly carried out Mockingbird assignments for the CIA, according to documents on-file at the CIA headquarters.

Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners—distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without‑portfolio for their country. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit, while others were explicit.

Some journalists were threatened and blackmailed into cooperating with Mockingbird to promote its messages. Many were given falsified or fabricated information about their actions in order to engender their support for the CIA’s mission.

Bernstein reports that by 1953, Operation Mockingbird was directly overseen by CIA Director Allen Dulles. The CIA allegedly had major influence in over 25 U.S. newspapers and wire services. The tactic was straightforward: false news reports or propaganda would be provided by CIA writers to both knowing and unknowing reporters who would simply repeat the falsehoods over and over again.

[Testadura]

Just now, Testadura said:

This almost too funny.  https://citizentruth.org/operation-mockingbird-cia-media-manipulation/

"Operation Mockingbird and the CIA’s History of Media Manipulation"

Operation Mockingbird was a CIA program that enlisted more than 400 American journalists, as well as journalists around the world, to manipulate public opinion by spreading propaganda or what we call it today, fake news.

In an era of “fake news” and revelations of Facebook sharing user information to outside sources in an apparent attempt to influence voters for elections, the veracity of what we see in the media is more crucial than ever. However, it is far from a new phenomenon as the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird spent years planting fake news stories in an effort to sway public opinion.

Operation Mockingbird: The CIA’s Love Affair With Manipulating News

As far back as the end of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has played a major role in news media here in the U.S. as well as in foreign nations, exerting considerable influence over what the public sees, hears and reads on a regular basis.

Operation Mockingbird was an alleged large-scale program within the CIA to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. The program is thought to have been born out of the CIA’s forefather, the Office for Strategic Services (OSS), which existed from 1942 to 1947.

During World War II, Operation Mockingbird had established a network of journalists and psychological warfare experts, operating primarily in the European theatre.

Other possible origins include the early years of the Cold War, which began in 1947, when efforts were made by the governments of the Soviet Union and the United States to use media companies to influence public opinion internationally.

Operation Mockingbird Exposed

Mockingbird’s strategies and many ties have since become public knowledge through several high-profile investigations and exposés.

One of the first discoveries of the covert motives of Operation Mockingbird occurred in 1967, when an article in political and literary magazine Ramparts reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.

Throughout the next decade, several investigations would probe the CIA’s ties with the news media. Among the most prominent reports was writer Carl Bernstein’s lengthy 25,000-word cover story detailing Operation Mockingbird, published in Rolling Stone on October 20, 1977.

While just a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Carl Bernstein had also done much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. After leaving The Washington Post in 1977, Bernstein spent six months looking into the relationship between the CIA and the press during the Cold War years.

Bernstein concluded that in the past 25 years, more than 400 American journalists secretly carried out Mockingbird assignments for the CIA, according to documents on-file at the CIA headquarters.

Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners—distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without‑portfolio for their country. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit, while others were explicit.

Some journalists were threatened and blackmailed into cooperating with Mockingbird to promote its messages. Many were given falsified or fabricated information about their actions in order to engender their support for the CIA’s mission.

Bernstein reports that by 1953, Operation Mockingbird was directly overseen by CIA Director Allen Dulles. The CIA allegedly had major influence in over 25 U.S. newspapers and wire services. The tactic was straightforward: false news reports or propaganda would be provided by CIA writers to both knowing and unknowing reporters who would simply repeat the falsehoods over and over again.

Here's the link to the 25,000-word, Rolling Stone cover story by the Liberal-darling Carl Bernstein--so, we know it's true:

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

I don't want a CIA that can't fool me--I'm fine with that.  But the CIA just to be on my side.  There are some agents who don't like the pre-Trump direction.  Barr was a CIA guy, and once a CIA guy, always a CIA guy.  Barr is 1 of the "some" I reference.

[DBP66]

21 hours ago, Blueliner said:

But was the Russia Hoax real or not? And were you quick to jump on it or not?

TRUMP: “We first went through Russia, Russia, Russia. It was all bulls—-.” — remarks Thursday to the nation.

THE FACTS: A two-year investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller that produced guilty pleas, convictions or criminal charges against Russian intelligence officers, as well as Trump associates, is demonstrably not a hoax, as the president frequently describes it.

All told, Mueller charged 34 people, including the president's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, his first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and three Russian companies. Twenty-five Russians were indicted on charges related to election interference, accused either of hacking Democratic email accounts during the campaign or of orchestrating a social media campaign that spread disinformation on the internet.

Five Trump aides pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with Mueller. A sixth, longtime confidant Roger Stone, was convicted of lying to Congress and witness tampering over his efforts to get inside information about hacked Democratic emails that Wikileaks was releasing in 2016 in an effort to harm the Clinton campaign.

Mueller's report concluded that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was "sweeping and systematic." Ultimately, Mueller did not find a criminal conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign. The special counsel didn't render judgment on whether Trump obstructed justice, citing in part Justice Department guidelines that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

[golfaddict1]

8 hours ago, Testadura said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv6w_ys5sJo

 

"Barney Miller," 1981.  lol

Great show.  I still watch them from time to time.  

 

7 hours ago, Testadura said:

Here's the link to the 25,000-word, Rolling Stone cover story by the Liberal-darling Carl Bernstein--so, we know it's true:

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

I don't want a CIA that can't fool me--I'm fine with that.  But the CIA just to be on my side.  There are some agents who don't like the pre-Trump direction.  Barr was a CIA guy, and once a CIA guy, always a CIA guy.  Barr is 1 of the "some" I reference.

Good find and interesting reads from the links you shared.    

 

[Testadura]

ABC new is reliable, or at least partisan and thus reliable to anti-Trumpers.

"indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes"

"Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison"  A whole 7.  Let's see the Russian interference, shall we?

1.  Manafort:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine," and "income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud"

2..  Gates:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors"

3.  Kilimnik:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice"

4.  Flynn:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in."  This one was horrendous.  The FBI cleared him, as reported by WaPo in late January 2017, after the FBI had listened to the taped conversation.  Dumbo had no idea that he hadn't done anything wrong.  Comey got cute and wouldn't offer him as counsel as was his normal practice, and taking advantage of a new a WH is disarray.  Strock interviews him, and files a 302 with another agent saying that they didn't think that he had lied.  That 302 was changed, or not used as dispositive.  But at any rate, he got charged for what he had said on a taped conversation that was perfectly OK.  This was a crime in itself to a Lt Gen who served the Country.  His only crime was being a dumbass and a kook

5.  Stone:  Balls of steel.  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering"

6.  Cohen:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:   "pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress * * * . In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements"

7.  Van Der Zwaan:   No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates"

8.  The Russian Intrusion:  "The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money."  Nothing happened here???

9.  Papadoulos:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials.  * * * sentenced to 14 days incarceration"

10.  Pinedo:  "Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians"

what a costly joke.  You know who interfered in an important election?  The DNC and Hillary's campaign, with Wassmeran Schultz and 6 staffers resigning.  That was interference.

**********

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Here's what you need to know about the cases in the special counsel's probe.

By

ABC News

‎November‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎2‎:‎24‎ ‎PM

7 min read

 

A who's who in the Trump-Russia probeAnn Mueller and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, March 24, 2019, in Washington, D.C. Special counsel Robert Mueller has delivered his report on alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election to Attorney General William Barr.Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images

Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes.

Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison.

Here's what you need to know:

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort faced charges in two separate federal courts on a slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine.

A jury found Manafort guilty on eight of 18 counts he was tried within the Eastern District of Virginia, with the judge declaring a mistrial on the other ten. The guilty charges included multiple counts of false income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud.

Manafort was charged with an additional seven counts in the District of Columbia and pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and to witness tampering in the D.C. case. As part of the plea agreement, Manafort also admitted his guilt on the remaining counts in his Virginia trial. He was sentenced to 81 months in prison for both cases and is currently serving his term. Read more here.

Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign official and longtime business associate of Paul Manafort, was charged in two separate federal courts in connection to financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors. Gates pleaded guilty in Washington, D.C. in February 2018 on counts of conspiracy against the United States and lying to federal prosecutors. As part of his plea agreement and cooperation with the Mueller probe, he avoided a slew of financial charges in the Eastern District of Virginia that included assisting in the preparation of false income taxes, bank fraud, bank fraud conspiracy and false income taxes. His charges are intimately tied to those of Manafort. In the Eastern District of Virginia, the two were indicted jointly. He is expected to be sentenced in December. Read more here.

The special counsel issued three separate indictments against Manafort. In the third, prosecutors implicated Kilimnik for the first time, charging him with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice. These charges concern communications between Manafort and Kilimnik regarding messages they exchanged with two journalists who were potential witnesses in the case against them. Though Kilimnik has been indicted, he remains outside of the reach of U.S. law enforcement. Read more here.

In his dramatic and surprise guilty plea in U.S. District Court on Dec. 1, 2017, early in Mueller's investigation, Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn acknowledged that his false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in "impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election," which the statement of offense he agreed to said.

He specifically admitted to lying about asking the Russian ambassador to refrain from responding to Obama administration sanctions against Russia for its election interference and further requested Russia help block a United Nations vote on Israeli settlements which the incoming administration didn't agree with. Flynn also agreed that he lied about his lobbying activities in federal filings related to work on behalf of the Republic of Turkey throughout the 2016 campaign. Flynn is awaiting sentencing. Read more here.

The seven counts against President Donald Trump's longtime friend and veteran political operative Roger Stone include one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The charges brought by Mueller's office largely revolve around false statements Stone is accused of making to the House Intelligence Committee regarding his communications with associates about Wikileaks. He also stands accused of witness tampering in connection with humorist and radio show host Randy Credico's testimony to the House Intelligence Committee. In Stone's 24-page indictment, Mueller painted perhaps the clearest picture yet of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Stone was convicted on all counts on Nov. 15 and faces up to 50 years in prison. Read more here.

Michael Cohen, President Donald J. Trump’s former personal attorney and long-time fixer, pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000. In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements charge to be served concurrently with a three-year sentence he received for other crimes committed in the Southern District of New York. He is serving his sentence. Read more here.

On July 13, 2018 special counsel Robert Mueller took direct aim at the Russians who allegedly were personally responsible for infiltrating the Democratic National Committee’s computer system, among others, setting in motion what former intelligence officers call one of the most effective active measures campaigns in history. The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money. Read more here.

George Papadopoulos, the novice, unpaid foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump was secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials. His indictment was revealed to the public after he pleaded guilty in October 2017. In September 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days incarceration, 200 hours of community service and a $9,500 fine. Read more here.

In April 2018, Dutch national Alex van der Zwaan became the first person sentenced in special counsel Robert Meuller's Russia investigation in federal court in Washington. Earlier that year, he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates in September 2016. He reported to prison in May 2018 and was released the next month. Read more here.

Richard Pinedo might be one of the lesser-known figures caught up in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but the California man played an instrumental role in a Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians. In February 2018, Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud and in October that year was sentenced to serve six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement and 100 hours of community service. He was released from prison in May 2019. Read more here.

[Testadura]

12 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

Great show.  I still watch them from time to time.  

 

Good find and interesting reads from the links you shared.    

 

Google MKUltra, which Teddy K was a participant of at Harvard.  A lot of other big names involved.  They lied to Congress about it, but a fool at the CIA produced 20 forgotten boxes (the rest were previously destroyed) to Congress by mistake, and the shit hit the fan.

Operation Phoenix.

I'm not mad at the CIA when they're working for me and for people who work and pay taxes and fight for the Country.

But they see Trump as a threat to interests that are not obvious to us, as we'd hit the roof if we fully understood them, but those interests are not our interests.  I could be wrong.

[HSFBfan]

Former Vice President Joe Biden has plummeted in a new national poll out Monday that also shows Bernie Sanders with a clear lead among Democratic voters heading into Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary.

The new Quinnipiac University poll, conducted after Sanders’ strong showing in the Iowa caucuses a week ago, has the Vermont senator boasting the support of 25 percent of Democratic voters, making an 8-point lead over Biden and a 4-point increase over the last national survey taken before the caucuses.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/10/joe-biden-national-poll-113302

[HSFBfan]

Finally barr is going after sanctuary cities 

Barr announces sweeping new sanctions, 'significant escalation' against left-wing sanctuary cities

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-announces-new-sanctuary-policies

[Belly Bob]

30 minutes ago, Testadura said:

[...]

I'm not mad at the CIA when they're working for me and for people who work and pay taxes and fight for the Country.

But they see Trump as a threat to interests that are not obvious to us, as we'd hit the roof if we fully understood them, but those interests are not our interests.  I could be wrong.

The Reptilians and the Nordic aliens who live under Antarctica. There are a lot of documents hidden away in the Vatican. The deep state works for the aliens. Somehow -- and I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it -- the real powers let Trump become President. Big mistake. Now he's just waiting for the right moment to expose them. MSM doesn't report any of this because they're controlled by the CIA, who in turn is controlled by the aliens. You'll get the truth from Internet forums like this one. That's where the real intellects are, who dig and dig, with their keyboards and their search engines. Keep digging. You'll be amazed when you find out who the CIA really works for.

Don't trust anyone who doesn't trust Trump. 

[Hardcore Troubador]

18 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

The Reptilians and the Nordic aliens who live under Antarctica. There are a lot of documents hidden away in the Vatican. The deep state works for the aliens. Somehow -- and I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it -- the real powers let Trump become President. Big mistake. Now he's just waiting for the right moment to expose them. MSM doesn't report any of this because they're controlled by the CIA, who in turn is controlled by the aliens. You'll get the truth from Internet forums like this one. That's where the real intellects are, who dig and dig, with their keyboards and their search engines. Keep digging. You'll be amazed when you find out who the CIA really works for.

Don't trust anyone who doesn't trust Trump. 

😂
 

A well read man - You’ve got some David Icke, some Nazi astromythology, and some of the usual (((Globalist))) conspiracy theories all rolled up into one.  Well done sir!

[Testadura]

2 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

The Reptilians and the Nordic aliens who live under Antarctica. There are a lot of documents hidden away in the Vatican. The deep state works for the aliens. Somehow -- and I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it -- the real powers let Trump become President. Big mistake. Now he's just waiting for the right moment to expose them. MSM doesn't report any of this because they're controlled by the CIA, who in turn is controlled by the aliens. You'll get the truth from Internet forums like this one. That's where the real intellects are, who dig and dig, with their keyboards and their search engines. Keep digging. We'll be amazed when you find out who the CIA really works for.

Don't trust anyone who doesn't trust Trump. 

Did you like, "They Live"?

if a real intellect were to dig and find something (and they do), I don't think that it would be terribly difficult to discredit that person.  Clinton's mentor, C. Quigley, was discredited for his influence-type theories, and he essentially ran Georgetown's foreign-service school.  His boy became a 2-term President.

I had lunch with a former CIA agent (now a syndicated, national, talk-show radio host) a couple of yrs ago, and he explained to me the CIA leans left (not Green Berets whom he had trained with and supported in Iraq), as they recruit quite a bit from Harvard's JFK School and Georgetown, which are very liberal and have very liberal kids.  I then read a book by a guy whom the CIA and DOD seem to leak to a lot, and his view was that the CIA went lefty right after McCarthy so there would not be another McCarthy.  JFK then gives his "conspiracy" speech before the annual Press Club Dinner in 1962 or so.  (It's 20 minutes, and all over YouTube.  And it's an attack on Commie sympathizers in Gov't.)  Line FBI agents, CIA agents, Asst US Attys, etc., are true blue.  At the political level, not so much, IMHO.

People with power simply want to effectuate their policies (some are good for the Country, and some are more selfish or less concerned with the larger public), and if transparency isn't a good idea, then policies and implications are kept in the dark as much as possible.  The Establishment policies don't line up with the common good like they once used to, is the problem.

No grand conspiracies needed.  We're too busy, and so, we have to take the word of Mueller.

[HSFBfan]

He should never be sentenced he did no wrong

Federal judge indefinitely postpones sentencing of Michael Flynn

A federal judge on Monday indefinitely postponed the sentencing date for President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn on charges of lying to the FBI in the Russia investigation.

The move by Judge Emmet Sullivan comes a day after federal prosecutors filed a rare Sunday motion to delay a number of approaching deadlines that would ultimately make Flynn’s Feb. 27 sentencing unlikely. The delay also comes weeks after Flynn withdrew his guilty plea.

In their filing, prosecutors argued that Flynn’s former attorneys should testify after he claimed to have received ineffective assistance from them. Flynn had previously hired the premier D.C. law firm, Covington & Burling. Federal lawyers also asked the judge to order that Flynn has his attorney-client privileges in his communications with Covington & Burling waived.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-indefinitely-postpones-sentencing-of-michael-flynn.amp

[Belly Bob]

2 hours ago, Testadura said:

Did you like, "They Live"?

if a real intellect were to dig and find something (and they do), I don't think that it would be terribly difficult to discredit that person.  Clinton's mentor, C. Quigley, was discredited for his influence-type theories, and he essentially ran Georgetown's foreign-service school.  His boy became a 2-term President.

I had lunch with a former CIA agent (now a syndicated, national, talk-show radio host) a couple of yrs ago, and he explained to me the CIA leans left (not Green Berets whom he had trained with and supported in Iraq), as they recruit quite a bit from Harvard's JFK School and Georgetown, which are very liberal and have very liberal kids.  I then read a book by a guy whom the CIA and DOD seem to leak to a lot, and his view was that the CIA went lefty right after McCarthy so there would not be another McCarthy.  JFK then gives his "conspiracy" speech before the annual Press Club Dinner in 1962 or so.  (It's 20 minutes, and all over YouTube.  And it's an attack on Commie sympathizers in Gov't.)  Line FBI agents, CIA agents, Asst US Attys, etc., are true blue.  At the political level, not so much, IMHO.

People with power simply want to effectuate their policies (some are good for the Country, and some are more selfish or less concerned with the larger public), and if transparency isn't a good idea, then policies and implications are kept in the dark as much as possible.  The Establishment policies don't line up with the common good like they once used to, is the problem.

No grand conspiracies needed.  We're too busy, and so, we have to take the word of Mueller.

It's one thing to say that the CIA leans left. It's another to suggest that they're Communist sympathizers. It's still another to say that "we'd hit the roof" if we fully understood the unobvious interests Trump threatens, which interests aren't ours. 

[Belly Bob]

2 hours ago, Hardcore Troubador said:

😂
 

A well read man - You’ve got some David Icke, some Nazi astromythology, and some of the usual (((Globalist))) conspiracy theories all rolled up into one.  Well done sir!

The Jews are somehow involved. They control the banks and the media. Communism is a Jewish movement, funded by Jewish international financiers. They had no nation of their own, which is why they wanted to get rid of all nations. If you want to know who's in control, ask whom you're not allowed to criticize. It's against the law in some countries to deny the Holocaust. I think the Jews may be Reptilians. It was a snake that deceived the first man. Think about it. 

[Belly Bob]

On 2/9/2020 at 5:36 PM, Horsefly said:

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I told you before you guys aren’t any better than the folks on the left you constantly condemn DAILY all cut from the same cloth...liars and enablers. 

I can't tell the difference either. 

[thc6795]

3 hours ago, Testadura said:

ABC new is reliable, or at least partisan and thus reliable to anti-Trumpers.

"indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes"

"Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison"  A whole 7.  Let's see the Russian interference, shall we?

1.  Manafort:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine," and "income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud"

2..  Gates:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors"

3.  Kilimnik:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice"

4.  Flynn:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in."  This one was horrendous.  The FBI cleared him, as reported by WaPo in late January 2017, after the FBI had listened to the taped conversation.  Dumbo had no idea that he hadn't done anything wrong.  Comey got cute and wouldn't offer him as counsel as was his normal practice, and taking advantage of a new a WH is disarray.  Strock interviews him, and files a 302 with another agent saying that they didn't think that he had lied.  That 302 was changed, or not used as dispositive.  But at any rate, he got charged for what he had said on a taped conversation that was perfectly OK.  This was a crime in itself to a Lt Gen who served the Country.  His only crime was being a dumbass and a kook

5.  Stone:  Balls of steel.  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering"

6.  Cohen:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:   "pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress * * * . In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements"

7.  Van Der Zwaan:   No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates"

8.  The Russian Intrusion:  "The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money."  Nothing happened here???

9.  Papadoulos:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials.  * * * sentenced to 14 days incarceration"

10.  Pinedo:  "Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians"

what a costly joke.  You know who interfered in an important election?  The DNC and Hillary's campaign, with Wassmeran Schultz and 6 staffers resigning.  That was interference.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Here's what you need to know about the cases in the special counsel's probe.

By

ABC News

‎November‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎2‎:‎24‎ ‎PM

7 min read

 

A who's who in the Trump-Russia probeAnn Mueller and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, March 24, 2019, in Washington, D.C. Special counsel Robert Mueller has delivered his report on alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election to Attorney General William Barr.Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images

Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes.

Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison.

Here's what you need to know:

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort faced charges in two separate federal courts on a slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine.

A jury found Manafort guilty on eight of 18 counts he was tried within the Eastern District of Virginia, with the judge declaring a mistrial on the other ten. The guilty charges included multiple counts of false income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud.

Manafort was charged with an additional seven counts in the District of Columbia and pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and to witness tampering in the D.C. case. As part of the plea agreement, Manafort also admitted his guilt on the remaining counts in his Virginia trial. He was sentenced to 81 months in prison for both cases and is currently serving his term. Read more here.

Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign official and longtime business associate of Paul Manafort, was charged in two separate federal courts in connection to financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors. Gates pleaded guilty in Washington, D.C. in February 2018 on counts of conspiracy against the United States and lying to federal prosecutors. As part of his plea agreement and cooperation with the Mueller probe, he avoided a slew of financial charges in the Eastern District of Virginia that included assisting in the preparation of false income taxes, bank fraud, bank fraud conspiracy and false income taxes. His charges are intimately tied to those of Manafort. In the Eastern District of Virginia, the two were indicted jointly. He is expected to be sentenced in December. Read more here.

The special counsel issued three separate indictments against Manafort. In the third, prosecutors implicated Kilimnik for the first time, charging him with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice. These charges concern communications between Manafort and Kilimnik regarding messages they exchanged with two journalists who were potential witnesses in the case against them. Though Kilimnik has been indicted, he remains outside of the reach of U.S. law enforcement. Read more here.

In his dramatic and surprise guilty plea in U.S. District Court on Dec. 1, 2017, early in Mueller's investigation, Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn acknowledged that his false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in "impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election," which the statement of offense he agreed to said.

He specifically admitted to lying about asking the Russian ambassador to refrain from responding to Obama administration sanctions against Russia for its election interference and further requested Russia help block a United Nations vote on Israeli settlements which the incoming administration didn't agree with. Flynn also agreed that he lied about his lobbying activities in federal filings related to work on behalf of the Republic of Turkey throughout the 2016 campaign. Flynn is awaiting sentencing. Read more here.

The seven counts against President Donald Trump's longtime friend and veteran political operative Roger Stone include one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The charges brought by Mueller's office largely revolve around false statements Stone is accused of making to the House Intelligence Committee regarding his communications with associates about Wikileaks. He also stands accused of witness tampering in connection with humorist and radio show host Randy Credico's testimony to the House Intelligence Committee. In Stone's 24-page indictment, Mueller painted perhaps the clearest picture yet of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Stone was convicted on all counts on Nov. 15 and faces up to 50 years in prison. Read more here.

Michael Cohen, President Donald J. Trump’s former personal attorney and long-time fixer, pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000. In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements charge to be served concurrently with a three-year sentence he received for other crimes committed in the Southern District of New York. He is serving his sentence. Read more here.

On July 13, 2018 special counsel Robert Mueller took direct aim at the Russians who allegedly were personally responsible for infiltrating the Democratic National Committee’s computer system, among others, setting in motion what former intelligence officers call one of the most effective active measures campaigns in history. The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money. Read more here.

George Papadopoulos, the novice, unpaid foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump was secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials. His indictment was revealed to the public after he pleaded guilty in October 2017. In September 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days incarceration, 200 hours of community service and a $9,500 fine. Read more here.

In April 2018, Dutch national Alex van der Zwaan became the first person sentenced in special counsel Robert Meuller's Russia investigation in federal court in Washington. Earlier that year, he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates in September 2016. He reported to prison in May 2018 and was released the next month. Read more here.

Richard Pinedo might be one of the lesser-known figures caught up in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but the California man played an instrumental role in a Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians. In February 2018, Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud and in October that year was sentenced to serve six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement and 100 hours of community service. He was released from prison in May 2019. Read more here.

This is called getting your fucking teeth kicked in douchebagpussy66.

[Hardcore Troubador]

32 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

The Jews are somehow involved. They control the banks and the media. Communism is a Jewish movement, funded by Jewish international financiers. They had no nation of their own, which is why they wanted to get rid of all nations. If you want to know who's in control, ask whom you're not allowed to criticize. It's against the law in some countries to deny the Holocaust. I think the Jews may be Reptilians. It was a snake that deceived the first man. Think about it. 

Oh, I’ve thought about it.  And the only thing I can think of is to constantly tell my wife that I don’t know why she seems to be the only one missing out.  She needs to start paying dues again and attending the secret meetings so she can join the profit sharing plan they offer from the proceeds of World Domination©️™️®️
 

(Usually followed by her looking at me for a second, rolling her eyes and saying, “You’re an idiot.” 🤷🏼‍♂️)

[Powerball]

21 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theory.html

The seepage of conspiracy theorizing from the digital fever swamps into life offline is one of the more unsettling developments of the Trump era, in which the president has relentlessly pushed groundless conspiracies to reshape political narratives to his liking. In promoting fringe ideas about deep state schemes, Mr. Trump has at times elevated and encouraged QAnon followers — recirculating their posts on Twitter, posing with one for a photograph in the Oval Office, inviting some to a White House “social media summit.” Recently, during a daylong Twitter binge, Mr. Trump retweeted more than 20 posts from accounts that had trafficked in QAnon material.

...

About a dozen candidates for public office in the United States have promoted or dabbled in QAnon, and its adherents have been arrested in at least seven episodes, including a murder in New York and an armed standoff with the police near the Hoover Dam. The F.B.I. cited QAnon in an intelligence bulletin last May about the potential for violence motivated by “fringe political conspiracy theories.”

 

Yes, it really wasnt until the Trump era that all the Fake news and Democrats and the fake politiFact networks have been exposed.!

These propaganda machines are out of control.

But I'm good at math. And so I think I'm pretty good about sniffing out bullshit.

But some ofour kids and a lot of Liberals are just not that bright.

[Testadura]

13 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

The Reptilians and the Nordic aliens who live under Antarctica. There are a lot of documents hidden away in the Vatican. The deep state works for the aliens. Somehow -- and I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it -- the real powers let Trump become President. Big mistake. Now he's just waiting for the right moment to expose them. MSM doesn't report any of this because they're controlled by the CIA, who in turn is controlled by the aliens. You'll get the truth from Internet forums like this one. That's where the real intellects are, who dig and dig, with their keyboards and their search engines. Keep digging. You'll be amazed when you find out who the CIA really works for.

Don't trust anyone who doesn't trust Trump. 

straw man

[RedZone]

3 hours ago, Powerball said:

But I'm good at math.

Oh yeah? Prove it.

What will the National Debt be in 2024?

Right now it's at $23,251,562,887,364 

 

[Testadura]

12 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

It's one thing to say that the CIA leans left. It's another to suggest that they're Communist sympathizers. It's still another to say that "we'd hit the roof" if we fully understood the unobvious interests Trump threatens, which interests aren't ours. 

I think semantics are getting in the way.  "German Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1996:  'The nation state * * * cannot solve the great problems of the twenty-first century.'  This is THE fight."

I took care not to say that the CIA is a Communist sympathizer.  I said and meant sympathizers in gov't without limitation.  The CIA is not a sympathizer, though I'm sure that as with any group some (a very few) do have sympathies now and again in that direction (see Brennan's Presidential vote below--lol).  The CIA and FBI, among others, screen vigorously.  My wife was a federal prosecutor (DOJ/AUSA) for 5 years.  I was questioned as part of her background check, which is now sitting in a basement in China after they hacked the DOJ and grabbed 20-million personnel files.

I said JFK's 20-minute speech had been devoted to those who hide in the dark, referring to Communist sympathizers (that's the term I used)--meaning, Communist infiltration from the OUTSIDE and bought into by some inside our Country, namely the Press and some others scattered throughout gov't.  That's what the speech said.  (Why is this remarkable?  Spies do that--it's their job.  Russia had a proven good spy network.  China does, too, right?  Ask Equifax and the indicted professors, which I'm sure is just the tip of the iceberg.  Ask my wife and 20-million other DOJ employees.  The Wu-Tang virus.  Shit like that just happens.  World of coincidences.  Sometimes, yes.)  JFK was the President and in the know--why would he speak for 20 minutes before all the top Press people and tell a complete fairy tale?  He would have been laughed off stage in 3 minutes had it had no truth.

Globalist to me isn't evil--it's simply another way of going about things.  But as with everything else, it should be debated, not hidden or lied about.  It's encapsulated in Kohl's quote.  But I believe in sovereignty, like Woodrow Wilson, foreign-policy realists, and most of the world since WWI, including FDR, Truman, Ike, and Kennedy.  Globalism (neoliberalism) is about simply reducing the power of nations, primarily "democratic" nations, to interfere in world trade and related matters.  The metaphor is the foreign traveler in Greece--he receives hospitality irrespective of where he comes from or what the nations have going on b/w themselves.

After WWI, free world trade became a grave and urgent concern to many, including those in the Austrian Economics School, after the 4 empires were set back up after WWI.  (Americans such as Lippmann and Rockefeller were involved.)  Austria looked at its population of some 6 million, and started to shit a brick.  Its standard of living was going to go down big time.  Many other imperialist nations, too, looked like they'd suffer that fate.  How do you get colonies back when they're being frowned on, especially with this new the League of Nations espousing sovereignty?  The U.S., especially after WWII, tended to support the Southern Hemisphere a lot, and keeping their sovereignty intact, and so, we've been a thorn in the UK's and Europe's sides in that sense.

Reagan thru Obama were Globalists, and it made sense at least earlier on, as we had such a comparative economic advantage for the moment and we had a World to reorder.  But Reagan was smart enough in 1986 to see the beginning of the hollowing out, though.  He formed a Commission to look into it, which Bush 1 immediately disbanded after taking Office.

Get rid of the word conspiracy, as I said.  This is simple power politics, political realism, and common sense.  People don't go to Davos to play with their puds in the cold mountains.  You're setting up straw-men "arguments" or scenarios, when you know a lot better.  Bringing up Jews and reptiles.  You sound like 1619 man on this board.  Don't come at me with that type of shit.  I'm stepping to you as a man and behaving with respect.  You obviously know better, and probably were brought up better.  Stop pandering to the gullible.

And yes, we would hit the roof if we were to know more.  What they're doing to Trump is criminal.  What they've done in the past is criminal.  What the heck, are you actually contending that the CIA has been and is angelic?  That would be rich.  They are spies, and that's putting it very, very mildly.  I love and support the agency, but no one here really wants to know what they're up to and how they go about it.  lol.  are you kidding?  (FYI, I took a summer associate to lunch in 2001, and his dad was a "retired" CIA agent.  I said give me something--tell me something.  He said that he knew nothing, only that if we were to know all that the CIA knew and was dealing with, we wouldn't get to sleep at night.  Twin Towers fell 6 weeks later.  Took me a while to connect his 8/01 comment and 9/11.)

Just for laughs:  "While a college student, in 1976, [former CIA Director Brennan, who went to Paladin's HS] voted for the Communist Party USA candidate for president, Gus Hall.  He has later described his vote as a way of "signaling my unhappiness with the system", specifically the partisanship of the Watergate era.^[20] "

We all felt your pain and caught you signal.  Nice work!!!  Who would be against sovereignty and fewer wars?  and if they were against it, would they publish it?  Spies generally don't say in advance what they're going to do, or they wouldn't be successful at it.  Nor do people at the highest rungs of power.  They lie a lot, right?

you're smart enough to know much of what goes on, cause everyone tells you truthfully what's going on?  you must be rich with all that knowledge.  Get richer by writing a book.  Here's a suggested title:  Taking Things at Face Value and Makin' It Work--Any Imbecile Can Do It.  You'll put Mr. 1619 out of business with his conspiracy and Foucaultian theories, but that'll teach him from trying to see behind things.  Christ, come to think about it, you'll decrease Foucault's book sales, too.  And you'll knock out the SJW movement and their theories of hidden power in relationships and language.  You might have just changed my mind.  I'm going back to Plato's Cave and seeing shadows as reality--will you bring the Riesling?

[Belly Bob]

On 2/11/2020 at 7:40 AM, Testadura said:

straw man

I agree.