"It's a cult, no joke.

[Bormio]

On 2/11/2020 at 8:31 AM, RedZone said:

Oh yeah? Prove it.

What will the National Debt be in 2024?

Right now it's at $23,251,562,887,364 

 

A Democrat worried about the national debt.  How cute ....

[Belly Bob]

On 2/11/2020 at 8:34 AM, Testadura said:

I think semantics are getting in the way.  "German Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1996:  'The nation state * * * cannot solve the great problems of the twenty-first century.'  This is THE fight."

I took care not to say that the CIA is a Communist sympathizer.  I said and meant sympathizers in gov't without limitation.  The CIA is not a sympathizer, though I'm sure that as with any group some (a very few) do have sympathies now and again in that direction (see Brennan's Presidential vote below--lol).  The CIA and FBI, among others, screen vigorously.  My wife was a federal prosecutor (DOJ/AUSA) for 5 years.  I was questioned as part of her background check, which is now sitting in a basement in China after they hacked the DOJ and grabbed 20-million personnel files.

I said JFK's 20-minute speech had been devoted to those who hide in the dark, referring to Communist sympathizers (that's the term I used)--meaning, Communist infiltration from the OUTSIDE and bought into by some inside our Country, namely the Press and some others scattered throughout gov't.  That's what the speech said.  (Why is this remarkable?  Spies do that--it's their job.  Russia had a proven good spy network.  China does, too, right?  Ask Equifax and the indicted professors, which I'm sure is just the tip of the iceberg.  Ask my wife and 20-million other DOJ employees.  The Wu-Tang virus.  Shit like that just happens.  World of coincidences.  Sometimes, yes.)  JFK was the President and in the know--why would he speak for 20 minutes before all the top Press people and tell a complete fairy tale?  He would have been laughed off stage in 3 minutes had it had no truth.

Globalist to me isn't evil--it's simply another way of going about things.  But as with everything else, it should be debated, not hidden or lied about.  It's encapsulated in Kohl's quote.  But I believe in sovereignty, like Woodrow Wilson, foreign-policy realists, and most of the world since WWI, including FDR, Truman, Ike, and Kennedy.  Globalism (neoliberalism) is about simply reducing the power of nations, primarily "democratic" nations, to interfere in world trade and related matters.  The metaphor is the foreign traveler in Greece--he receives hospitality irrespective of where he comes from or what the nations have going on b/w themselves.

After WWI, free world trade became a grave and urgent concern to many, including those in the Austrian Economics School, after the 4 empires were set back up after WWI.  (Americans such as Lippmann and Rockefeller were involved.)  Austria looked at its population of some 6 million, and started to shit a brick.  Its standard of living was going to go down big time.  Many other imperialist nations, too, looked like they'd suffer that fate.  How do you get colonies back when they're being frowned on, especially with this new the League of Nations espousing sovereignty?  The U.S., especially after WWII, tended to support the Southern Hemisphere a lot, and keeping their sovereignty intact, and so, we've been a thorn in the UK's and Europe's sides in that sense.

Reagan thru Obama were Globalists, and it made sense at least earlier on, as we had such a comparative economic advantage for the moment and we had a World to reorder.  But Reagan was smart enough in 1986 to see the beginning of the hollowing out, though.  He formed a Commission to look into it, which Bush 1 immediately disbanded after taking Office.

Get rid of the word conspiracy, as I said.  This is simple power politics, political realism, and common sense.  People don't go to Davos to play with their puds in the cold mountains.  You're setting up straw-men "arguments" or scenarios, when you know a lot better.  Bringing up Jews and reptiles.  You sound like 1619 man on this board.  Don't come at me with that type of shit.  I'm stepping to you as a man and behaving with respect.  You obviously know better, and probably were brought up better.  Stop pandering to the gullible.

And yes, we would hit the roof if we were to know more.  What they're doing to Trump is criminal.  What they've done in the past is criminal.  What the heck, are you actually contending that the CIA has been and is angelic?  That would be rich.  They are spies, and that's putting it very, very mildly.  I love and support the agency, but no one here really wants to know what they're up to and how they go about it.  lol.  are you kidding?  (FYI, I took a summer associate to lunch in 2001, and his dad was a "retired" CIA agent.  I said give me something--tell me something.  He said that he knew nothing, only that if we were to know all that the CIA knew and was dealing with, we wouldn't get to sleep at night.  Twin Towers fell 6 weeks later.  Took me a while to connect his 8/01 comment and 9/11.)

Just for laughs:  "While a college student, in 1976, [former CIA Director Brennan, who went to Paladin's HS] voted for the Communist Party USA candidate for president, Gus Hall.  He has later described his vote as a way of "signaling my unhappiness with the system", specifically the partisanship of the Watergate era.^[20] "

We all felt your pain and caught you signal.  Nice work!!!  Who would be against sovereignty and fewer wars?  and if they were against it, would they publish it?  Spies generally don't say in advance what they're going to do, or they wouldn't be successful at it.  Nor do people at the highest rungs of power.  They lie a lot, right?

you're smart enough to know much of what goes on, cause everyone tells you truthfully what's going on?  you must be rich with all that knowledge.  Get richer by writing a book.  Here's a suggested title:  Taking Things at Face Value and Makin' It Work--Any Imbecile Can Do It.  You'll put Mr. 1619 out of business with his conspiracy and Foucaultian theories, but that'll teach him from trying to see behind things.  Christ, come to think about it, you'll decrease Foucault's book sales, too.  And you'll knock out the SJW movement and their theories of hidden power in relationships and language.  You might have just changed my mind.  I'm going back to Plato's Cave and seeing shadows as reality--will you bring the Riesling?

I believe that spies spy, that political leaders lie, that journalists have biases, that men work to protect their own interests, and that some very powerful men have interests that we may rightly describe as global. I don't think any of that is even controverted. 

I'm skeptical of the idea that the United States -- its media; its major intelligence, security, and political institutions; its universities, etc -- are all controlled by shadowy globalists and that Donald J Trump is a heroic figure who's at war with all of them on behalf of the interests of ordinary Americans like you and me. 

You seem like you've got it all figured out, though. So maybe I'm wrong. But I take comfort in the fact that the deep state cannot survive for much longer because I hear people talk about little else. My neighbor, who's on disability, goes on and on about it. I can't even visit a high school football forum without reading all about the deep state. So the jig is up. 

[Testadura]

51 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

I believe that spies spy, that political leaders lie, that journalists have biases, that men work to protect their own interests, and that some very powerful men have interests that we may rightly describe as global. I don't think any of that is even controverted. 

I'm skeptical of the idea that the United States -- its media; its major intelligence, security, and political institutions; its universities, etc -- are all controlled by shadowy globalists and that Donald J Trump is a heroic figure who's at war with all of them on behalf of the interests of ordinary Americans like you and me. 

You seem like you've got it all figured out, though. So maybe I'm wrong. But I take comfort in the fact that the deep state cannot survive for much longer because I hear people talk about little else. My neighbor, who's on disability, goes on and on about it. I can't even visit a high school football forum without reading all about the deep state. So the jig is up. 

I think that I agree with everything you said, except your saying that I seem like I figured it out, and so, I think you have me figured wrong.  I haven't; there's nothing to figure out in that sense with so many competing interests.  I simply ask questions and exercise some healthy skepticism.

This side has nothing to do with HSF, and neither do your or anyone else's posts on this side.  The put-upon role doesn't suit you.

Besides the Deep State, any other shit vomited up on this side of the board that you'd like to be off-limits?  1619?  Cowboys and Indians?  Trump's latest gaff?  We want your visits to feel as if you're in a safe space with unique and topics.

[Testadura]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2020 at 4:11 PM, noonereal said:

 

Is a cult like a Deep State?  Off limits.  Sounds like an oversimplification of random views and events for the simple minded.  Chaos theory is where it's at.  I get the random part, but not the deterministic part. 

[Troll]

2 hours ago, Testadura said:

Is a cult like a Deep State?  Off limits.  Sounds like an oversimplification of random views and events for the simple minded.  Chaos theory is where it's at.  I get the random part, but not the deterministic part. 

Nah...cults are fair game...right?

Here's a good one for you...sound familiar?

 

Just another Hollywood reboot ? 

...or just 'random' from your chaos theory...🤔

[World Citizen]

On 2/10/2020 at 2:16 PM, Testadura said:

ABC new is reliable, or at least partisan and thus reliable to anti-Trumpers.

"indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes"

"Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison"  A whole 7.  Let's see the Russian interference, shall we?

1.  Manafort:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine," and "income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud"

2..  Gates:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors"

3.  Kilimnik:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice"

4.  Flynn:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in."  This one was horrendous.  The FBI cleared him, as reported by WaPo in late January 2017, after the FBI had listened to the taped conversation.  Dumbo had no idea that he hadn't done anything wrong.  Comey got cute and wouldn't offer him as counsel as was his normal practice, and taking advantage of a new a WH is disarray.  Strock interviews him, and files a 302 with another agent saying that they didn't think that he had lied.  That 302 was changed, or not used as dispositive.  But at any rate, he got charged for what he had said on a taped conversation that was perfectly OK.  This was a crime in itself to a Lt Gen who served the Country.  His only crime was being a dumbass and a kook

5.  Stone:  Balls of steel.  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering"

6.  Cohen:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:   "pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress * * * . In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements"

7.  Van Der Zwaan:   No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates"

8.  The Russian Intrusion:  "The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money."  Nothing happened here???

9.  Papadoulos:  No Russian interference proven or alleged:  "secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials.  * * * sentenced to 14 days incarceration"

10.  Pinedo:  "Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians"

what a costly joke.  You know who interfered in an important election?  The DNC and Hillary's campaign, with Wassmeran Schultz and 6 staffers resigning.  That was interference.

**********

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Here's what you need to know about the cases in the special counsel's probe.

By

ABC News

‎November‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎2‎:‎24‎ ‎PM

7 min read

 

A who's who in the Trump-Russia probeAnn Mueller and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, March 24, 2019, in Washington, D.C. Special counsel Robert Mueller has delivered his report on alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election to Attorney General William Barr.Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images

Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes.

Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison.

Here's what you need to know:

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort faced charges in two separate federal courts on a slew of financial crime charges related largely to his lobbying work in Ukraine.

A jury found Manafort guilty on eight of 18 counts he was tried within the Eastern District of Virginia, with the judge declaring a mistrial on the other ten. The guilty charges included multiple counts of false income tax returns, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud.

Manafort was charged with an additional seven counts in the District of Columbia and pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and to witness tampering in the D.C. case. As part of the plea agreement, Manafort also admitted his guilt on the remaining counts in his Virginia trial. He was sentenced to 81 months in prison for both cases and is currently serving his term. Read more here.

Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign official and longtime business associate of Paul Manafort, was charged in two separate federal courts in connection to financial crimes, unregistered foreign lobbying and on allegations that he made false statements to federal prosecutors. Gates pleaded guilty in Washington, D.C. in February 2018 on counts of conspiracy against the United States and lying to federal prosecutors. As part of his plea agreement and cooperation with the Mueller probe, he avoided a slew of financial charges in the Eastern District of Virginia that included assisting in the preparation of false income taxes, bank fraud, bank fraud conspiracy and false income taxes. His charges are intimately tied to those of Manafort. In the Eastern District of Virginia, the two were indicted jointly. He is expected to be sentenced in December. Read more here.

The special counsel issued three separate indictments against Manafort. In the third, prosecutors implicated Kilimnik for the first time, charging him with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice. These charges concern communications between Manafort and Kilimnik regarding messages they exchanged with two journalists who were potential witnesses in the case against them. Though Kilimnik has been indicted, he remains outside of the reach of U.S. law enforcement. Read more here.

In his dramatic and surprise guilty plea in U.S. District Court on Dec. 1, 2017, early in Mueller's investigation, Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn acknowledged that his false statements and omissions in FBI interviews a few days after Trump was sworn in "impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election," which the statement of offense he agreed to said.

He specifically admitted to lying about asking the Russian ambassador to refrain from responding to Obama administration sanctions against Russia for its election interference and further requested Russia help block a United Nations vote on Israeli settlements which the incoming administration didn't agree with. Flynn also agreed that he lied about his lobbying activities in federal filings related to work on behalf of the Republic of Turkey throughout the 2016 campaign. Flynn is awaiting sentencing. Read more here.

The seven counts against President Donald Trump's longtime friend and veteran political operative Roger Stone include one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The charges brought by Mueller's office largely revolve around false statements Stone is accused of making to the House Intelligence Committee regarding his communications with associates about Wikileaks. He also stands accused of witness tampering in connection with humorist and radio show host Randy Credico's testimony to the House Intelligence Committee. In Stone's 24-page indictment, Mueller painted perhaps the clearest picture yet of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Stone was convicted on all counts on Nov. 15 and faces up to 50 years in prison. Read more here.

Michael Cohen, President Donald J. Trump’s former personal attorney and long-time fixer, pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to Congress, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000. In December, a federal judge in New York sentenced Cohen to three months in prison on the false statements charge to be served concurrently with a three-year sentence he received for other crimes committed in the Southern District of New York. He is serving his sentence. Read more here.

On July 13, 2018 special counsel Robert Mueller took direct aim at the Russians who allegedly were personally responsible for infiltrating the Democratic National Committee’s computer system, among others, setting in motion what former intelligence officers call one of the most effective active measures campaigns in history. The defendants are charged with Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States, Aggravated Identity Theft and Conspiracy to Launder Money. Read more here.

George Papadopoulos, the novice, unpaid foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump was secretly arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials. His indictment was revealed to the public after he pleaded guilty in October 2017. In September 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days incarceration, 200 hours of community service and a $9,500 fine. Read more here.

In April 2018, Dutch national Alex van der Zwaan became the first person sentenced in special counsel Robert Meuller's Russia investigation in federal court in Washington. Earlier that year, he had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates in September 2016. He reported to prison in May 2018 and was released the next month. Read more here.

Richard Pinedo might be one of the lesser-known figures caught up in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but the California man played an instrumental role in a Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by unwittingly selling bank accounts to Russians. In February 2018, Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud and in October that year was sentenced to serve six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement and 100 hours of community service. He was released from prison in May 2019. Read more here.

You left out the part about Manafort giving Russians their internal polling data which the Russians used in exacting their propaganda and misinformation in places that were critical for Trump.  You also forgot about Trump Jr. who met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.  In fact Mueller declined to file charges against Jr because of his probable ignorance of the law.  I had thought that ignorance is no excuse in a court of law.  

The fact that in the DOJ view a sitting President can't be prosecuted doesn't imply that Trump isn't guilty.  The numerous examples of obstruction point to his guilt in that regard and Mueller said as much.  So it wasn't a hoax and IMO it would have been a serious thing if an investigation wasn't started.  

It still amazes me that somebody who lies about nearly everything under the sun is able convince a 1/3 of this country that only he is truthful.  Literally everyone else in the world is lying except him.  How people can look to Trump and only Trump for any truth about anything is puzzling to me.  Lying about the size of the crowd at the  inauguration is just dumb but lying about wanting to keep preexisting conditions in the ACA when in fact your in court trying to do the exact opposite is much more harmful and to me unacceptable.  This example is just one of many and it is one that can be easily looked into to see if what Trump says matches with what he is doing.  They won't look into it and will instead believe what he says.  I'm not saying you do this but I am saying his supporters who post on this side of the site do.  

[thc6795]

3 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

You left out the part about Manafort giving Russians their internal polling data which the Russians used in exacting their propaganda and misinformation in places that were critical for Trump.  You also forgot about Trump Jr. who met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.  In fact Mueller declined to file charges against Jr because of his probable ignorance of the law.  I had thought that ignorance is no excuse in a court of law.  

The fact that in the DOJ view a sitting President can't be prosecuted doesn't imply that Trump isn't guilty.  The numerous examples of obstruction point to his guilt in that regard and Mueller said as much.  So it wasn't a hoax and IMO it would have been a serious thing if an investigation wasn't started.  

It still amazes me that somebody who lies about nearly everything under the sun is able convince a 1/3 of this country that only he is truthful.  Literally everyone else in the world is lying except him.  How people can look to Trump and only Trump for any truth about anything is puzzling to me.  Lying about the size of the crowd at the  inauguration is just dumb but lying about wanting to keep preexisting conditions in the ACA when in fact your in court trying to do the exact opposite is much more harmful and to me unacceptable.  This example is just one of many and it is one that can be easily looked into to see if what Trump says matches with what he is doing.  They won't look into it and will instead believe what he says.  I'm not saying you do this but I am saying his supporters who post on this side of the site do.  

I find it amazing that you are in an uproar over a meeting to get dirt on Killary, yet think the Russian dossier which she paid for and was all bullshit you're fine with.

[World Citizen]

1 minute ago, thc6795 said:

I find it amazing that you are in an uproar over a meeting to get dirt on Killary, yet think the Russian dossier which she paid for and was all bullshit you're fine with.

I find it amazing you think that was an uproar.  I suggest you go buy a dictionary.  I never mentioned how I felt about the dossier so you must be assuming.  

[thc6795]

Just now, World Citizen said:

I find it amazing you think that was an uproar.  I suggest you go buy a dictionary.  I never mentioned how I felt about the dossier so you must be assuming.  

To post you're upset about Jr meeting to get dirt on Killary and not mention the dossier tells me everything I need to know.

[HSFBfan]

Wc I'll say this trump is a numbers guy

People with preexisting conditions go to doctors more costing companies more money to insure or if they dont have insurance they are in hospitals more costing the hospital more money to treat them

Is it right or wrong that's up to u but I believe that's were hes coming from

[HSFBfan]

2 more cops shot this week.

2 Officers Injured, Suspect Dead in Baltimore Shooting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-02-12/2-officers-injured-suspect-dead-in-baltimore-shooting%3fcontext=amp

[thc6795]

3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

2 more cops shot this week.

2 Officers Injured, Suspect Dead in Baltimore Shooting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-02-12/2-officers-injured-suspect-dead-in-baltimore-shooting%3fcontext=amp

Baltimore? The police who killed this guy will be up on charges by weeks end. 

[HSFBfan]

Just now, thc6795 said:

Baltimore? The police who killed this guy will be up on charges by weeks end. 

Absolutely

Did u see the firefighter being suspended for pulling an old lady out of a burning building

[HSFBfan]

They wanted roger stone to have a longer jail sentence than this guy....think about it

 

Gunman Gets 6 Years in Prison for Arizona Campus Shooting That Left 1 Dead, 3 Wounded

https://time.com/5782602/northern-arizona-shooting-sentence/

[HSFBfan]

Healthcare reform leads to the collapse of a government in Finland 

https://www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/?fbclid=IwAR3--nKENNS6KTI-fBM_qU5cCxu6DNMnqLO5V8CbfDrERNA6LuYyxsI_bVU

[I AM IRONMAN]

17 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

Healthcare reform leads to the collapse of a government in Finland 

https://www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/?fbclid=IwAR3--nKENNS6KTI-fBM_qU5cCxu6DNMnqLO5V8CbfDrERNA6LuYyxsI_bVU

 it's right in front of their eyes just look at Venezuela they don't care they just want the power and the control

[HSFBfan]

Just now, I AM IRONMAN said:

 it's right in front of their eyes just look at Venezuela they don't care they just want the power and the control

Absolutely. Government takeover of healthcare is an absolute disaster everytime 

[Blueliner]

1 hour ago, HSFBfan said:

Absolutely

Did u see the firefighter being suspended for pulling an old lady out of a burning building

I completely understand where you're coming from. Trust me, I do. But he should be reprimanded, but not suspended. He knowingly violated an adopted MAJOR, industry-wide standard/policy that is in place to protect him and his team....and of course the department from liability of injury or death. The fire service (in general) fought against adopting this policy/standard for years because it could potentially cause what exactly happened in this case: he disobeyed implied (or explicit) direct orders and policy to do the right thing...to do what he's paid to do. And that was to save this woman's life. Most firefighters loathe the policy, but it's here to stay. It'll be interesting to see what happens with this case. This is the first I've ever heard of that policy being violated...that's how major of a policy it is. We shall see.

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, Blueliner said:

I completely understand where you're coming from. Trust me, I do. But he should be reprimanded, but not suspended. He knowingly violated an adopted MAJOR, industry-wide standard/policy that is in place to protect him and his team....and of course the department from liability of injury or death. The fire service (in general) fought against adopting this policy/standard for years because it could potentially cause what exactly happened in this case: he disobeyed implied (or explicit) direct orders and policy to do the right thing...to do what he's paid to do. And that was to save this woman's life. Most firefighters loathe the policy, but it's here to stay. It'll be interesting to see what happens with this case. This is the first I've ever heard of that policy being violated...that's how major of a policy it is. We shall see.

This policy he violated should be terminated immediately. He did what your supposed to do your supposed to run into that building to save someone. Could u imagine if this policy was there for 9/11?? I have to disagree with you. This policy is a disaster and is going to get civilians killed 

[Belly Bob]

5 hours ago, Testadura said:

[...]

This side has nothing to do with HSF, and neither do your or anyone else's posts on this side.  The put-upon role doesn't suit you.

Besides the Deep State, any other shit vomited up on this side of the board that you'd like to be off-limits?  1619?  Cowboys and Indians?  Trump's latest gaff?  We want your visits to feel as if you're in a safe space with unique and topics.

Keep posting about the deep state. It's all the rage.

My point was that I'm not too worried about it because a hidden government can't remain hidden for long when everyone's talking about it all the time. 

I just hope they don't get Trump before he drags them all into the light.

[Belly Bob]

38 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

This policy he violated should be terminated immediately. He did what your supposed to do your supposed to run into that building to save someone. Could u imagine if this policy was there for 9/11?? I have to disagree with you. This policy is a disaster and is going to get civilians killed 

I think you missed @Blueliner's point. 

[Testadura]

24 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Keep posting about the deep state. It's all the rage.

My point was that I'm not too worried about it because a hidden government can't remain hidden for long when everyone's talking about it all the time. 

I just hope they don't get Trump before he drags them all into the light.

agree

great post

[Testadura]

3 hours ago, World Citizen said:

You left out the part about Manafort giving Russians their internal polling data which the Russians used in exacting their propaganda and misinformation in places that were critical for Trump.  You also forgot about Trump Jr. who met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.  In fact Mueller declined to file charges against Jr because of his probable ignorance of the law.  I had thought that ignorance is no excuse in a court of law.  

The fact that in the DOJ view a sitting President can't be prosecuted doesn't imply that Trump isn't guilty.  The numerous examples of obstruction point to his guilt in that regard and Mueller said as much.  So it wasn't a hoax and IMO it would have been a serious thing if an investigation wasn't started.  

It still amazes me that somebody who lies about nearly everything under the sun is able convince a 1/3 of this country that only he is truthful.  Literally everyone else in the world is lying except him.  How people can look to Trump and only Trump for any truth about anything is puzzling to me.  Lying about the size of the crowd at the  inauguration is just dumb but lying about wanting to keep preexisting conditions in the ACA when in fact your in court trying to do the exact opposite is much more harmful and to me unacceptable.  This example is just one of many and it is one that can be easily looked into to see if what Trump says matches with what he is doing.  They won't look into it and will instead believe what he says.  I'm not saying you do this but I am saying his supporters who post on this side of the site do.  

great post

agree

[Testadura]

On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2020 at 8:34 AM, Testadura said:

I think semantics are getting in the way.  "German Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1996:  'The nation state * * * cannot solve the great problems of the twenty-first century.'  This is THE fight."

I took care not to say that the CIA is a Communist sympathizer.  I said and meant sympathizers in gov't without limitation.  The CIA is not a sympathizer, though I'm sure that as with any group some (a very few) do have sympathies now and again in that direction (see Brennan's Presidential vote below--lol).  The CIA and FBI, among others, screen vigorously.  My wife was a federal prosecutor (DOJ/AUSA) for 5 years.  I was questioned as part of her background check, which is now sitting in a basement in China after they hacked the DOJ and grabbed 20-million personnel files.

I said JFK's 20-minute speech had been devoted to those who hide in the dark, referring to Communist sympathizers (that's the term I used)--meaning, Communist infiltration from the OUTSIDE and bought into by some inside our Country, namely the Press and some others scattered throughout gov't.  That's what the speech said.  (Why is this remarkable?  Spies do that--it's their job.  Russia had a proven good spy network.  China does, too, right?  Ask Equifax and the indicted professors, which I'm sure is just the tip of the iceberg.  Ask my wife and 20-million other DOJ employees.  The Wu-Tang virus.  Shit like that just happens.  World of coincidences.  Sometimes, yes.)  JFK was the President and in the know--why would he speak for 20 minutes before all the top Press people and tell a complete fairy tale?  He would have been laughed off stage in 3 minutes had it had no truth.

Globalist to me isn't evil--it's simply another way of going about things.  But as with everything else, it should be debated, not hidden or lied about.  It's encapsulated in Kohl's quote.  But I believe in sovereignty, like Woodrow Wilson, foreign-policy realists, and most of the world since WWI, including FDR, Truman, Ike, and Kennedy.  Globalism (neoliberalism) is about simply reducing the power of nations, primarily "democratic" nations, to interfere in world trade and related matters.  The metaphor is the foreign traveler in Greece--he receives hospitality irrespective of where he comes from or what the nations have going on b/w themselves.

After WWI, free world trade became a grave and urgent concern to many, including those in the Austrian Economics School, after the 4 empires were set back up after WWI.  (Americans such as Lippmann and Rockefeller were involved.)  Austria looked at its population of some 6 million, and started to shit a brick.  Its standard of living was going to go down big time.  Many other imperialist nations, too, looked like they'd suffer that fate.  How do you get colonies back when they're being frowned on, especially with this new the League of Nations espousing sovereignty?  The U.S., especially after WWII, tended to support the Southern Hemisphere a lot, and keeping their sovereignty intact, and so, we've been a thorn in the UK's and Europe's sides in that sense.

Reagan thru Obama were Globalists, and it made sense at least earlier on, as we had such a comparative economic advantage for the moment and we had a World to reorder.  But Reagan was smart enough in 1986 to see the beginning of the hollowing out, though.  He formed a Commission to look into it, which Bush 1 immediately disbanded after taking Office.

Get rid of the word conspiracy, as I said.  This is simple power politics, political realism, and common sense.  People don't go to Davos to play with their puds in the cold mountains.  You're setting up straw-men "arguments" or scenarios, when you know a lot better.  Bringing up Jews and reptiles.  You sound like 1619 man on this board.  Don't come at me with that type of shit.  I'm stepping to you as a man and behaving with respect.  You obviously know better, and probably were brought up better.  Stop pandering to the gullible.

And yes, we would hit the roof if we were to know more.  What they're doing to Trump is criminal.  What they've done in the past is criminal.  What the heck, are you actually contending that the CIA has been and is angelic?  That would be rich.  They are spies, and that's putting it very, very mildly.  I love and support the agency, but no one here really wants to know what they're up to and how they go about it.  lol.  are you kidding?  (FYI, I took a summer associate to lunch in 2001, and his dad was a "retired" CIA agent.  I said give me something--tell me something.  He said that he knew nothing, only that if we were to know all that the CIA knew and was dealing with, we wouldn't get to sleep at night.  Twin Towers fell 6 weeks later.  Took me a while to connect his 8/01 comment and 9/11.)

Just for laughs:  "While a college student, in 1976, [former CIA Director Brennan, who went to Paladin's HS] voted for the Communist Party USA candidate for president, Gus Hall.  He has later described his vote as a way of "signaling my unhappiness with the system", specifically the partisanship of the Watergate era.^[20] "

We all felt your pain and caught you signal.  Nice work!!!  Who would be against sovereignty and fewer wars?  and if they were against it, would they publish it?  Spies generally don't say in advance what they're going to do, or they wouldn't be successful at it.  Nor do people at the highest rungs of power.  They lie a lot, right?

you're smart enough to know much of what goes on, cause everyone tells you truthfully what's going on?  you must be rich with all that knowledge.  Get richer by writing a book.  Here's a suggested title:  Taking Things at Face Value and Makin' It Work--Any Imbecile Can Do It.  You'll put Mr. 1619 out of business with his conspiracy and Foucaultian theories, but that'll teach him from trying to see behind things.  Christ, come to think about it, you'll decrease Foucault's book sales, too.  And you'll knock out the SJW movement and their theories of hidden power in relationships and language.  You might have just changed my mind.  I'm going back to Plato's Cave and seeing shadows as reality--will you bring the Riesling?

I completely disagree.  dumbass

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3 hours ago, HSFBfan said:

Absolutely

Did u see the firefighter being suspended for pulling an old lady out of a burning building

What happened?