Troll Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: The media is not subordinate to him, they are independent of him. Quick question... Which part of the US Government, is (many in) the MSM subordinate to ?... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: The media is not subordinate to him, they are independent of him. since his campaigning years ago he’s ripped into the media calling them an enemy of the state and referencing gov agencies as deep state and unAmerican. That type of rhetoric is not going to be endearing to them. That type of language creates...enemies I understand that. It’s an analogy. But this “independent” entity fluffed Obama balls when he was shitting the bed. They’ve wanted Trump out since before he was elected. You and I both know this. I’m only saying that because the playing field isn’t level and there are a lot of simpletons that take everything the media says as gospel. Just how THEY want it. You and I both know that. They are the enemy, HF. They aren’t reporting anymore. They are CLEARLY a de facto arm for the dems. You and I both know that. They are far from independent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: They grow our food. Cali grows no food? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Blueliner said: I understand that. It’s an analogy. But this “independent” entity fluffed Obama balls when he was shitting the bed. They’ve wanted Trump out since before he was elected. You and I both know this. I’m only saying that because the playing field isn’t level and there are a lot of simpletons that take everything the media says as gospel. Just how THEY want it. You and I both know that. They are the enemy, HF. They aren’t reporting anymore. They are CLEARLY a de facto arm for the dems. You and I both know that. They are far from independent. An enemy is an active agent that is focused on destruction by any means necessary. This country has lost focus on what an enemy is. ISIS, Iran and N Korea are enemies, they would dance on our graves if allowed. These news agencies are political opportunists. And both party leaning news media do it. Fox is no more an enemy than CNN is. (They are political/social propaganda creators) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Troll said: Quick question... Which part of the US Government, is (many in) the MSM subordinate to ?... They aren’t. They are a private organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Horsefly said: They aren’t. They are a private organization. Don't they need a license to operate ? Beholden...where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Troll said: Don't they need a license to operate ? Beholden...where? Every business has license or federal laws to follow IF they choose to operate, however it doesn’t mean they are subordinate in function or political loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Horsefly said: This is not about people or beautiful geography. Their economies help make this country great. In contrast, what do states like AL and MS contribute to our overall economic strength or to any American strength for that matter? Missicreappi GDP 92 Billion San Diego GDP 206 Billion 🤣 Dudes like this. I assume absolutely nothing as shown below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, DevilDog said: Dudes like this. I assume absolutely nothing as shown below Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, Horsefly said: An enemy is an active agent that is focused on destruction by any means necessary. This country has lost focus on what an enemy is. ISIS, Iran and N Korea are enemies, they would dance on our graves if allowed. These news agencies are political opportunists. And both party leaning news media do it. Fox is no more an enemy than CNN is. (They are political/social propaganda creators) As long as you are including the MSM as "part of the country that has lost focus on who the enemy is" then I'm on board. Sincerely, we may not agree on everything, but you seem like a pretty level-headed dude. I simply don't get how you can continue to completely ignore what the press has become, and what they are doing, and trying to do, to OUR sitting President. You may not like him, but he's ours. I was not an Obama fan as it turned out after I voted for him the first time around, but I cannot imagine treating him this way. I would have been appalled as well had the press treated him this way. It's time to put them in check. Nobody but Trump has the cojones to do it. And it's not fake news because Trump says so, it's because I've seen the press lie, cheat, and steal and destroy anyone that doesn't side with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Blueliner said: Their respective economies may be important. yeah, like I said, they are predominately why we are great, it is not TN that makes us great. Nashville is one place other than a Northeast city I could live in. (not the rest of the state) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Blueliner said: Trump has the cojones to do it Trump has the little girl emotional liabilities to do it. A very different thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, DevilDog said: The moment you do something sensible like include cost of living, guess what happens? CA 18.1% LA 16.5% FL 16.2% MS 15.8% WV 14.5% NM 14.4% GA 14.3% TX 14.2% NY 14.0% NJ 14.0% AZ 14.0% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Exactly! Look at this and what would happen if we lost CA or NY and what countries they are compared too. Vs. the 2 Goober States. Yeah losing Angola and Kazakhstan would be terrible for the U.S. Alabama • GDP: $192.7 billion • Country w/ similar GDP: Kazakhstan ($196.0 billion) • Ala. population: 4.9 million (Kazakhstan: 18.0 million) • Ala. GDP per capita: $39,523 (Kazakhstan: $10,868) Mississippi • GDP: $100.1 billion • Country w/ similar GDP: Angola ($101.7 billion) • Miss. population: 3.0 million (Angola: 29.8 million) • Miss. GDP per capita: $33,558 (Angola: $3,414) And then this California • GDP: $2.6 trillion • Country w/ similar GDP: India ($2.6 trillion) • Calif. population: 39.5 million (India: 1.3 billion) • Calif. GDP per capita: $65,160 (India: $1,965) California's $2.6 trillion economy is the largest of any state. Its closest comparison on a global stage is India, which is home to 1.3 billion people, making it the second most populous country in the world by population. California's massive economy is bolstered by its nearly 40 million residents and a diverse range of industries, from agriculture to technology. New York • GDP: $1.4 trillion • Country w/ similar GDP: Australia ($1.4 trillion) • N.Y. population: 19.8 million (Australia: 24.6 million) • N.Y. GDP per capita: $71,252 (Australia: $55,926) New York state, home to one of the financial capitals of the world, is one of three states with an economic output that exceeds $1 trillion. It closely matches the GDP of Australia. More than half of Australia's $243 billion in exports came from minerals and natural resources like iron, gold, coal, and petroleum. Australia's GDP per capita of $55,926 is lower than New York's GDP per capita but is very close to the U.S. GDP per capita of $55,418. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, concha said: The moment you do something sensible like include cost of living, guess what happens? CA 18.1% LA 16.5% FL 16.2% MS 15.8% NM 14.4% GA 14.3% TX 14.2% NY 14.0% NJ 14.0% AZ 14.0% Then why are people not rushing to Bumbfukistan to live. I guess because Goober can Buy more cases of SPAM that makes it more livable than San Diego. Cost of Living It should be noted that a positive correlation exists between states' affluence and their cost of living. Affluence means : the state of having a great deal of money; wealth Despite its low cost of living, the south was the poorest region in the U.S. in 2018. Below are the 2018 poverty rates by region: South 13.6% Northeast was 10.3% Midwest 10.4% West 11.2% Only the south recorded a slight increase in poverty from 2017 to 2018 while the other regions recorded declines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Blueliner said: As long as you are including the MSM as "part of the country that has lost focus on who the enemy is" then I'm on board. Sincerely, we may not agree on everything, but you seem like a pretty level-headed dude. I simply don't get how you can continue to completely ignore what the press has become, and what they are doing, and trying to do, to OUR sitting President. You may not like him, but he's ours. I was not an Obama fan as it turned out after I voted for him the first time around, but I cannot imagine treating him this way. I would have been appalled as well had the press treated him this way. It's time to put them in check. Nobody but Trump has the cojones to do it. And it's not fake news because Trump says so, it's because I've seen the press lie, cheat, and steal and destroy anyone that doesn't side with them. The press has always been who they are. It didn’t start with trump. That’s why I said they propagandize political and social issues going back centuries to control the narrative of public perception. Of course my focus being on how blacks were portrayed as giant, aggressive criminals to shiftless and lazy citizens that deserve to be criminalized, marginalized, segregated and or enslaved. There are plenty of examples of actual articles out there to my claims, books too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, DevilDog said: Then why are people not rushing to Bumbfukistan to live. I guess because Goober can Buy more cases of SPAM that makes it more livable than San Diego. Cost of Living It should be noted that a positive correlation exists between states' affluence and their cost of living. Affluence means : the state of having a great deal of money; wealth Despite its low cost of living, the south was the poorest region in the U.S. in 2018. Below are the 2018 poverty rates by region: South 13.6% Northeast was 10.3% Midwest 10.4% West 11.2% Only the south recorded a slight increase in poverty from 2017 to 2018 while the other regions recorded declines. Between CA and NY, there are nearly 10 million people people living below the poverty line. That's nearly the population of Georgia. ALL of Georgia. In CA and NY you will also find the most homeless and some of the highest homelessness rates (only Hawaii beats them). And cities renowned for shanty towns and folks shitting on the streets and leaving dirty needles around... Both of those states are in the top 4 for income inequality (NY at #1 and CA at #4)... New York is #1 among states people are choosing to leave. The paradise of California has been so fucked up it's actually in the top 10 now at #7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Horsefly said: The press has always been who they are. It didn’t start with trump. That’s why I said they propagandize political and social issues going back centuries to control the narrative of public perception. Of course my focus being on how blacks were portrayed as giant, aggressive criminals to shiftless and lazy citizens that deserve to be criminalized, marginalized, segregated and or enslaved. There are plenty of examples of actual articles out there to my claims, books too. I hear about how Obama was not treated the same. Except this B.S. 1) Racist Groups exploded during his term 2) A Racial political Party quickly appeared under the Guise of (The Tea Party) Funny how they magically disappeared 3) Congressman called him a Liar on National TV during state of the Union and his Donations exploded. 4) Magically real Americans hated their oppressive Government and took up arms and Occupied Federal Lands and Property 5) A white Church Lynched an image of Him on it's grounds. 6) Rush Limbaugh a Media Maven for the South named him Barack the Magic Negro 7) Faux News had non stop negative coverage of him 8 Remember how the claim all he did was Golf. Funny how that is no longer an issue 9) Trump himself was the Head Birther and what about all the racist jokes against him by Republican Politicians. I will happily list them. 😎 Yea imagine if Trump faced that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, concha said: Between CA and NY, there are nearly 10 million people people living below the poverty line. That's nearly the population of Georgia. ALL of Georgia. In CA and NY you will also find the most homeless and some of the highest homelessness rates (only Hawaii beats them). And cities renowned for shanty towns and folks shitting on the streets and leaving dirty needles around... Both of those states are in the top 4 for income inequality (NY at #1 and CA at #4)... New York is #1 among states people are choosing to leave. The paradise of California has been so fucked up it's actually in the top 10 now at #7. You move to Alabubba or Missicreappi and I one of the other Two and lets come back 2 years from now and see whose more successful. 🤣 Just moving to either with our on particular skillset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, DevilDog said: I hear about how Obama was not treated the same. Except this B.S. 1) Racist Groups exploded during his term 2) A Racial political Party quickly appeared under the Guise of (The Tea Party) Funny how they magically disappeared 3) Congressman called him a Liar on National TV during state of the Union and his Donations exploded. 4) Magically real Americans hated their oppressive Government and took up arms and Occupied Federal Lands and Property 5) A white Church Lynched an image of Him on it's grounds. 6) Rush Limbaugh a Media Maven for the South named him Barack the Magic Negro 7) Faux News had non stop negative coverage of him 8 Remember how the claim all he did was Golf. Funny how that is no longer an issue 9) Trump himself was the Head Birther and what about all the racist jokes against him by Republican Politicians. I will happily list them. 😎 Yea imagine if Trump faced that. I guarantee some will say “but, but, but with Obama those news stories were true or well deserved!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I guarantee some will say “but, but, but with Obama those news stories were true or well deserved!” Well he was a Socialist born in Kenya who hated America and that's why this had to appear . Here's proof> I promise I didn't doctor either photo. 😎 But man Trump is so mistreated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 And the person they claim is so mistreated. Was at the forefront of this Racist Troupe. I hate all revisionism. Here is magical revisionism/ Years of this B.S. Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Barack Obama’s birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth. Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called "index data," available to the public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, DevilDog said: You move to Alabubba or Missicreappi and I one of the other Two and lets come back 2 years from now and see whose more successful. 🤣 Just moving to either with our on particular skillset. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's great, DD! You lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Horsefly said: The media is not subordinate to him, they are independent of him. since his campaigning years ago he’s ripped into the media calling them an enemy of the state and referencing gov agencies as deep state and unAmerican. That type of rhetoric is not going to be endearing to them. That type of language creates...enemies The President works for the people, Democrats/Republicans/Independents/everybody. He also called the FBI the enemy. I know they have had their share of fuck-ups but don't deserve enemy of the people title. Called fellow Americans human scum. Can't forget about all of the murderers and rapist south of the border he referred too. The Republicans had control of both houses and the Presidency and all they could manage was a tax cut for the rich and countless days in court and deregulating anything that is suppose to protect the environment and us citizens and all because of his hate for Obama and apparently science. And conservative judges. If we elect him again, the next four years will be even more fucked up because he will feel like he is untouchable and can do what he pleases. I will only briefly touch on the holding our ally hostage and helping to continue the Russian narrative that they didn't interfere in our elections. Didn't want to meet with an ally due to corruption but meets privately with Putin several times and no transcript. I wonder how Jared and Ivanka feel Hunter Biden getting a job because of who his dad was. They probably could not imagine such a scenario happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Blueliner said: As long as you are including the MSM as "part of the country that has lost focus on who the enemy is" then I'm on board. Sincerely, we may not agree on everything, but you seem like a pretty level-headed dude. I simply don't get how you can continue to completely ignore what the press has become, and what they are doing, and trying to do, to OUR sitting President. You may not like him, but he's ours. I was not an Obama fan as it turned out after I voted for him the first time around, but I cannot imagine treating him this way. I would have been appalled as well had the press treated him this way. It's time to put them in check. Nobody but Trump has the cojones to do it. And it's not fake news because Trump says so, it's because I've seen the press lie, cheat, and steal and destroy anyone that doesn't side with them. Examples? If the problem is as you say it is you should be able to provide a few examples right? I think the media takes up too much of your thinking and you give them way too much credit. You can't imagine Obama being treated badly huh? I do and I never heard him call anybody the enemy of the people or call anybody out for doing their job. No doubt he didn't like some of the reporting but it comes with the job. Good luck on your last week and your retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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