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Absolutely he is one of the most undisciplined persons that has ever had authority.  The problem with him is he got his clearance simply because he became the President.  Those of us who have held TS/TCI and Specat clearances know how that process is an the importance of maintaning integrity with those Documents.  Hell confidiential ones are extremely important.  The fact he was this callous with those documents is insane.  Like the Walker Family from Norfolk Navy base his ass needs to be incarcerated.  If this was a serviceman he would be locked up immediately.  37 Felony Charges from the Justice Department is insane.  That just magnifies the malfeasance of his calvalier demeanor.  LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP.  Wasn't that his Hillary mantra? Karma like a MOFO.  😂

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2 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Absolutely he is one of the most undisciplined persons that has ever had authority.  The problem with him is he got his clearance simply because he became the President.  Those of us who have held TS/TCI and Specat clearances know how that process is an the importance of maintaning integrity with those Documents.  Hell confidiential ones are extremely important.  The face he was this callous with those documents is insane.  Like the Walker Family from Norfolk Navy base his ass needs to be incarcerated.  If this was a service man he would be locked up immediately.  

And the serviceman wouldn’t have been given well over a year and multiple warnings and chances to fix the problem so he could get off scot free without anyone ever knowing.

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Trump classified documents charges: Read the full indictment

Walt Nauta, a Trump aide who was seen on surveillance camera removing boxes at Mar-a-Lago, was also charged as a co-conspirator.

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Fri, June 9, 2023 at 2:20 PM EDT
 
 

The Department of Justice unsealed a 37-count indictment against Donald Trump on Friday that laid out a stunning case against the former president.

Trump, who was ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday, has been charged with 37 felony counts — including 31 counts under the Espionage Act — that carry stiff prison sentences upon conviction.

The 49-page indictment filed by special counsel Jack Smith includes the following criminal charges:

  • Willful retention of national defense information

  • Conspiracy to obstruct justice

  • Withholding of a document or record

  • Corruptly concealing a documents or record

  • Concealing a document in a federal investigation

  • Scheme to conceal

  • False statements and representations

Among the allegations included in the indictment:

  • Trump showed and described a “plan of attack” that he said was prepared for him by the Department of Defense and a senior military official.

  • Trump showed a “presentative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map related to a military operation.”

  • The former president suggested to his attorney that he falsely tell the FBI and the grand jury that he didn't have any classified documents.

  • The indictment also includes photos showing boxes of classified documents stored in a bathroom, shower and ballroom at Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla.

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Boxes containing classified documents are stacked in a bathroom at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla. (Image via U.S. Southern District of Florida)

Walt Nauta, Trump’s valet who was seen on a surveillance camera removing boxes at Mar-a-Lago, was charged with one criminal count as a co-conspirator.

“The men and women of the United States intelligence community and our armed forces dedicate their lives to protecting our nation and its people,” Smith said in a brief statement delivered at the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., after the indictment was unsealed on Friday. “Our laws that protect national defense information are critical to the safety and security of the United States and they must be enforced. Violations of those laws put our country at risk”

Trump is the first former U.S. president ever to be charged with federal crimes.

“We have one set of laws in this country,” Smith said. “And they apply to everyone.”

The special counsel urged all Americans to read the indictment "in full to understand the scope and the gravity of the crimes charged."

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Trump is 'toast' if classified records case is proven, ex-attorney general says

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Sun, June 11, 2023 at 11:15 AM EDT
 
 

By Sarah N. Lynch

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr on Sunday defended Special Counsel Jack Smith's 37-count indictment against Donald Trump on Sunday, saying if the allegations the former president willfully retained hundreds of highly classified documents are proven true, then "he's toast."

"I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, ... and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he willfully retained those documents are solid counts," Barr, who served under Trump, told "Fox News Sunday."

"If even half of it is true, then he's toast."

 

The comments from Barr, who was Trump's attorney general from February of 2019 through December of 2020, are notable and were made at a time when many other prominent Republicans have been hesitant to criticize the former president and current Republican front-runner in the 2024 White House race.

Trump is due to appear in a federal courthouse in Miami on Tuesday to make his initial appearance on the charges, which include the willful retention of highly sensitive national defense records under the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice, making false statements, conspiracy and concealment.

Trump told Politico on Saturday that he would continue his presidential campaign, even if he were convicted in the case, saying "I'll never leave."

The former president plans to make remarks at 8:15 p.m. on Tuesday (0015 GMT on Wednesday) at his Bedminster, New York golf club, his presidential campaign said.

Of the 37 counts against Trump, 31 of them relate to secret and top secret classified documents that he kept after leaving the White House in early 2021.

The indictment alleges that Trump stored the documents in a haphazard manner at his home in Palm Beach, Florida, refused to give them back to the government, and tried to hide them from the FBI and even his own attorney after a grand jury issued him a subpoena demanding that he turn over all records bearing classified markings.

His attorney Alina Habba, who is not representing him in the case, told "Fox News Sunday" that Trump is innocent of the charges and plans to vigorously defend himself in the case.

In the past, Barr has been a fierce defender of Trump, going so far as to appoint his own special counsel to probe whether the FBI improperly opened an investigation into Trump's 2016 presidential campaign over possible ties to Russia based on flimsy evidence.

But towards the end of his tenure, Barr's views on Trump soured after the former president tried to pressure the Justice Department to launch bogus voter fraud investigations, in a failed bid to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

NOT 'PERSONAL DOCUMENTS'

Trump has previously defended his retention of classified records, claiming without evidence he declassified them while in office - a defense that his allies have also repeated.

"I go on the president's word that he said he did," U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan told CNN's "State of the Union" program on Sunday when asked if he had any evidence to back up Trump's claim.

In previous litigation related to the FBI's search of his Florida home, however, Trump's lawyers repeatedly declined to make that argument in their court filings, and the indictment also contains evidence that Trump knew he had retained records that remained highly classified.

"As president, I could have declassified it," the indictment quotes Trump as saying about one military document he allegedly displayed during a meeting at his New Jersey golf club in July of 2021. "Now I can't, you know, because this is still a secret."

Trump and his allies have also separately tried to argue that the records at the heart of the case are personal in nature and covered by the Presidential Records Act.

"He has every right to have classified documents that he declassifies under the Presidential Records Act," Habba told Fox News Sunday.

But Barr said the claim that the documents were Trump's personal records is "facially ridiculous."

The records referenced in the indictment are "official records" prepared by government intelligence agencies, he said, and therefore they are the property of the U.S. government.

"Battle plans for an attack on another country or Defense Department documents about our capabilities are in no universe Donald J. Trump's personal documents," he said.

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Kevin McCarthy's argument that secret documents are safer in a bathroom than a garage because 'a bathroom door locks' has one fatal flaw

 
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Boxes of documents, some of which allegedly contained classified information, seen in the bathroom of the Lake Room in Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.Department of Justice
  • Kevin McCarthy said secret documents are safer in a bathroom than a garage because "a bathroom door locks."

  • However, many — if not most — garage doors have locks.

  • Furthermore, most bathroom doors lock from the inside. They are unlocked when unoccupied.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy defended Donald Trump's practice of storing boxes of classified documents in a chandeliered bathroom today by arguing that doing so is safer than storing them in a garage, because bathroom doors lock.

However, many — if not most — garage doors have locks.

Asked at a press gaggle whether it was "a good look" for Trump to be caught storing classified documents in the bathroom of Mar-a-Lago's Lake Room, McCarthy responded with a question: "I don't know — is it a good picture to have boxes in a garage that opens up all the time? A bathroom door locks."

McCarthy was attempting to draw a parallel between the document storage practices of current and former presidents.

Whereas Trump was indicted last week on charges of illegally hiding secret documents in the chandeliered bathroom of Mar-a-Lago's Lake Room (among other things), President Joe Biden is under investigation by a special counsel for storing classified documents in his Wilmington, Delaware, garage (among other things).

When classified records were discovered in the garage in January by Biden's lawyers, who immediately notified the Department of Justice and handed them over, the president was quick to point out that his garage, like most garages, had doors that lock.

"My Corvette's in a locked garage," Biden said at the time."So, it's not like it's sitting on the street."

If true, that would place Biden's garage in the same category as Trump's Mar-a-Lago bathroom as a location with a lock — even if, as McCarthy claimed, Biden's garage "opens up all the time."

It's unclear how frequently the bathroom in Mar-a-Lago's Lake Room opens up. It's also unclear whether, like most bathrooms, it locks from the inside and remains unlocked when unoccupied.

McCarthy's office did not return a voicemail message seeking comment.

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On 6/9/2023 at 4:26 PM, DBP66 said:

Trump classified documents charges: Read the full indictment

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Boxes containing classified documents are stacked in a bathroom at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla. (Image via U.S. Southern District of Florida)

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ham sandwich huh??....LOL....34 counts says you're wrong once again...."the tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive"....that should be on Trump's headstone...😉

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ham sandwich huh??....LOL....34 counts says you're wrong once again...."the tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive"....that should be on Trump's headstone...😉

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It will be interesting to see if this is just the conservative version of Pencil Neck Schifftless' "I've got evidence" bullshit.

 

Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky allegedly told an FBI source that he paid $5 million apiece to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden in an attempt to shake off a corruption investigation.

 

“According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses fifteen audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter Biden. According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses two audio recordings of phone calls between him and then Vice President Joe Biden. These recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case that he got into a tight spot.

“The 1023 also indicates that then Vice President Joe Biden may have been involved in Burisma hiring Hunter Biden.”

Senator Chuck Grassley says that the FD-1023 form says the foreign national who bribed Joe and Hunter Biden allegedly has 17 audio recordings of his conversations with them that were kept as an “insurance policy”. 

 

On Saturday America’s Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Rita Cosby on Newsmax that he has a high-level witness who is the former chief accountant at Burisma who is willing to testify on the Biden crimes. She even has the Biden bank account transactions. 

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It will be interesting to see if this is just the conservative version of Pencil Neck Schifftless' "I've got evidence" bullshit.

 

Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky allegedly told an FBI source that he paid $5 million apiece to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden in an attempt to shake off a corruption investigation.

 

“According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses fifteen audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter Biden. According to the 1023, the foreign national possesses two audio recordings of phone calls between him and then Vice President Joe Biden. These recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case that he got into a tight spot.

“The 1023 also indicates that then Vice President Joe Biden may have been involved in Burisma hiring Hunter Biden.”

Senator Chuck Grassley says that the FD-1023 form says the foreign national who bribed Joe and Hunter Biden allegedly has 17 audio recordings of his conversations with them that were kept as an “insurance policy”. 

 

On Saturday America’s Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Rita Cosby on Newsmax that he has a high-level witness who is the former chief accountant at Burisma who is willing to testify on the Biden crimes. She even has the Biden bank account transactions. 

and you believe a word Rudy says??!!....RUDY?!.....LOL...🤡

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Trump Wanted Courthouse Protests But Instead Got MAGA Misfits

 
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Tue, June 13, 2023 at 2:50 PM EDT
 
 
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MIAMI, Florida—Protesters assembled outside the federal courthouse here on Tuesday to express their support for former President Donald Trump—to fly the Trump colors and show prosecutors that they’re up against a MAGA army.

But if protesters sought to show unity and organization, what they accomplished was a disorganized display of MAGA spectacles, flaunting a pig’s head on a pike and getting the street shut down over an abandoned television.

Trump is scheduled to be arraigned at 3 p.m. on Tuesday for 37 counts related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents. On social media, Trump called on fans to come to Miami for his court appearance. “SEE YOU IN MIAMI ON TUESDAY!!!” he wrote. But turnout was modest on Tuesday morning, despite efforts by pro-Trump figures like rapper Forgiato Blow to gin up attendance for a 10 a.m. rally.

 

“What I like about this, we been supporting Trump since day one and never switch up on Donald Trump, man what’s up. DeSant-heads need to get out here and get with Trump,” Blow (real name Kurt Jantz) said in a video outside the courthouse on Tuesday, referencing Trump’s GOP rival and Florida’s governor, Ron DeSantis.

 

Blow’s attendance was not purely political. The prolific novelty rapper, who frequently releases songs timed to conservative news items, is promoting a new song called “Trump Indictment” and on Monday tweeted a picture of himself wearing a signboard with a QR code for a download of the tune.

“See Everyone Tomorrow Help Us Get #TrumpIndictment To #1 On iTunes,” Blow tweeted, promoting both the track and the protest against Trump’s second felony arraignment this year.

Other eccentric characters also turned up early to the courthouse.

Osmany Estrada, 40, proudly donned an American and Cuban flag as he paraded around the courthouse with a pig’s head on a pike, posing for photos with anyone who asked, but mostly dodging TV crews that swarmed him.

Like many others who weathered blistering heat and humidity to sing Trump’s praises, Estrada said he was confident the former president would quickly be found not guilty. He said he became even more certain of a Trump victory when Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, was selected to preside over the case.

“She’s one of us,” Estrada said, referencing Cannon’s Cuban heritage. “We already know what’s going to happen—this corruption won’t stand. Everyone here knows that. That's why you see so many smiles. We're all just enjoying this beautiful moment before we win again.”

Estrada, who says he came to Miami on a raft from Cuba in 1992, was one of the first protesters to arrive Tuesday morning, sticking around as the crowd of Trump supporters grew into the hundreds by 1 p.m.—a far cry from the thousands expected by Trump and Miami cops. Until noon, protesters were outnumbered by journalists and dozens of cops who carried assault rifles as they circled the area.

Estrada said he didn’t have a good reason for carrying around a pig’s head on a pike, but confirmed the dead animal was real.

“Sometimes you just have to be bold,” he said.

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The crowd was smaller than anticipated.

REUTERS/Marco Bello

Vivek Ramaswamy, a longshot Republican presidential candidate, gave a Tuesday morning speech in which he pledged (if elected president) to pardon Trump.

Meanwhile, Tim Gionet, a far-right personality who goes by “Baked Alaska,” live streamed himself outside the courthouse on Tuesday. Gionet was recently released from prison, where he was serving 60 days for his participation in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. (He was also found guilty last year of defacing a Hanukkah display. “No more Happy Hanukkah, only Merry Christmas. This is a disgrace," Gionet said in a live stream of the vandalism.)

At least one member of the far-right group the Proud Boys was in attendance. A Telegram channel for the group Villain City Proud Boys uploaded a video from the grounds, although the group did not appear to have a uniformed presence on Tuesday morning. (The Villain City Proud Boys are a splinter faction of Miami’s longer-standing Vice City Proud Boys, which disavows the former group and calls it illegitimate.)

Lauren Witzke, a far-right conspiracy theorist who unsuccessfully ran for U.S. Senate in Delaware, also live-streamed from a demonstration organized by anti-Muslim activist Laura Loomer. During her live stream, she wondered out loud if “federal agents” were undercover at the courthouse protests. “Let’s count the FBI in this protest,” read a sign carried by a pro-Trump protester she interviewed. Witzke later contemplated if the man holding the sign—which had toy-water guns attached—was a “fed” himself.

Witzke, an ally of white-nationalist Nick Fuentes, soon grew tired of covering the lackluster Loomer protest and turned her attention to trolling the media.

“Is CNN here?” she asked on the stream, adding, “Oh shoot, I forgot I was streaming, oops.”

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Supporters and anti-Trump demonstrators faced off outside the courthouse.

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Various factions of Trump fans scheduled courthouse protests over the course of the day. Loomer’s event was slated to startat noon. A convoy of four buses, organized by the Florida Republican Assembly, arrived at 2 p.m.

Toward the beginning of the rally, Loomer claimed that Trump’s team had called her on Tuesday morning to express their support for her event.

“President Trump, his staff called me this morning,” Loomer yelled. “President Trump is grateful for the rally. His staff personally called me and said they were with President Trump this morning, and he wants to thank everybody for coming out today. They are very happy that this rally is taking place. They want it peaceful.”

“President Trump is very grateful that we are out here today,” she added.

Trump spokesman Steven Cheung didn’t return The Daily Beast’s request for comment on Loomer’s claim.

Loomer had good reason to talk up Trump’s support for her efforts, as The Daily Beast reported Monday evening that Trump’s own advisers thought protests outside of the Miami courthouse were a bad idea.

Trump Advisers Quietly Worry Courthouse Protest Could Be a ‘Disaster’

“I would hope it’s not a protest,” one Trump adviser told The Daily Beast.

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A law enforcement officer inspects a suspicious device found near the courthouse.

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Even before the rally, Trump’s aides attempted to distance themselves from Loomer and the Roger Stone-promoted event.

“Anybody we’ve heard from at the campaign, it’s been somebody who just wants to come and be supportive of the president,” the Trump adviser added before attempting to make clear that the official Trump campaign wanted no part in any demonstrations.

But despite the worry from inside Trump’s inner circle, in the end, with low turnout numbers, Trump supporters found a familiar boogeyman.

“I think MAGA has to be beyond cautious and weary [sic] of Feds creating another trap like Jan 6,” Trump ally Jackson Lahmeyer told The Daily Beast.

While MAGA supporters were busy contemplating who among them might be federal agents, law enforcement tended to a much more serious concern.

The modest crowd was briefly asked to leave part of the courthouse grounds after law enforcement expressed concerns about an unattended package. The suspicious item was a TV with writing on it, apparently planted by Trump fans, Miami New Times reporter Naomi Feinstein tweeted. Police removed the TV and allowed demonstrators back onto the property.

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