What will happen if Trump gets elected again?

[Bormio]

Serious question - even Democrats have to admit it is possible.  What will reaction from the Left be?

[DBP66]

Disgust of course....a narcistic, rapist who has been found guilty of many other crimes (ripping of his own charity-tax fraud in NY state exc...) is the best this country can come up with??....a guy who lies more than tells the truth...a guy who was already laughed off the world stage and led a insurrection should be in jail....not a President....he shouldn't be allowed within a 100 miles of D.C...😉

[FreeBird]

2 hours ago, Bormio said:

Serious question - even Democrats have to admit it is possible.  What will reaction from the Left be?

Biden lost the Muslim vote , how he sided with Israel, and college kids ain’t getting fooled with this student loan promises Biden couldn’t keep

[FreeBird]

😂 

 hell has frozen over

 

 

[zulu1128]

Looks like DBP is already practicing his meltdown just in case. 🤣

[Bormio]

When you keep saying Trump will end democracy and bring a fascist regime … are you not making the case for an … wait for it … insurrection?

[Ga96]

The real question is what will happen 5 years from now.

[Gospeeder]

1 hour ago, Ga96 said:

The real question is what will happen 5 years from now.

If we don't get our priorities straight... AND SOON... better learn to speak Mandarin.

[Crusader12-0]

1 hour ago, Gospeeder said:

If we don't get our priorities straight... AND SOON... better learn to speak Mandarin.

Then you'd better get Beijing Biden out of there!

[Slotback Right]

16 hours ago, DBP66 said:

Disgust of course....a narcistic, rapist who has been found guilty of many other crimes (ripping of his own charity-tax fraud in NY state exc...) is the best this country can come up with??....a guy who lies more than tells the truth...a guy who was already laughed off the world stage and led a insurrection should be in jail....not a President....he shouldn't be allowed within a 100 miles of D.C...😉

Well not one bit of that is true, but since this thread is about "what will happen if Trump gets elected again,"  I must ask this question:

If your opinion of Trump is correct, but he gets elected again anyway, then is the Demorat candidate that ran against him, the best your party can come up with?

[Warrior]

18 hours ago, DBP66 said:

Disgust of course....a narcistic, rapist who has been found guilty of many other crimes (ripping of his own charity-tax fraud in NY state exc...) is the best this country can come up with??....a guy who lies more than tells the truth...a guy who was already laughed off the world stage and led a insurrection should be in jail....not a President....he shouldn't be allowed within a 100 miles of D.C...😉

 Checking in DP, has Trump been convicted of any crime from these 90+ indictments?

Smith keeps taking L’s in both DC and Florida 

The NY DA and her whacko judge have become a laughing stock 

Fani doesn’t know what to do next as her case crumbles

It has become clear, this wasn’t about indictments. It was about muddying the waters and election interference. But the again the Dems have miscalculated and have only made DJT’s support stronger. 
 

Or was that their plan all along?

[DBP66]

3 hours ago, Slotback Right said:

Well not one bit of that is true, but since this thread is about "what will happen if Trump gets elected again,"  I must ask this question:

If your opinion of Trump is correct, but he gets elected again anyway, then is the Demorat candidate that ran against him, the best your party can come up with?

it's all too true....sadly....the Democrats are screwing it up too IMO....Newsome needs to step up and take the job...it's his if he wants it.

Trump is a national disgrace.....an orange POS....😉

[DBP66]

2 hours ago, Warrior said:

 Checking in DP, has Trump been convicted of any crime from these 90+ indictments?

Smith keeps taking L’s in both DC and Florida 

The NY DA and her whacko judge have become a laughing stock 

Fani doesn’t know what to do next as her case crumbles

It has become clear, this wasn’t about indictments. It was about muddying the waters and election interference. But the again the Dems have miscalculated and have only made DJT’s support stronger. 
 

Or was that their plan all along?

LOL...lay off the Kool-Aid for a while...did you hear the latest??...they now have a recording of Trump begging COUNTY Officials in Mich. to not certify their votes....sound familiar??....the desperate clown begged whoever he could to break the law to help his plot...f*in amazing you clowns couldn't give a shit about it...how SAD!!....😪

 

What Trump has to fear from the Michigan tape

Ryan Lizza

Fri, December 22, 2023 at 3:02 PM EST·4 min read

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A newly unearthed recording of Donald Trump and Ronna McDaniel pressuring two county officials in Michigan not to certify the 2020 election could be the very definition of shocking but not surprising news.

On one hand, the fact that Trump and McDaniel called Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP canvassers in Wayne County, has been known for some time and is included in the House Jan. 6 committee’s report.

Furthermore, Americans have already heard audio of Trump pressuring elections officials in another jurisdiction, and those efforts are already a core part of Jack Smith’s election subversion case in Washington.

 

But several prominent lawyers say the Nov. 17, 2020, phone call — revealed in detail Thursday by the Detroit News — presents new and significant legal peril to the former president and current GOP frontrunner, even if the political ramifications are already baked in to the 2024 presidential race.

Andrew Weissmann, a former DOJ prosecutor, suggested on X last night that the recording could open the door to a federal bribery charge: “Trump and Ronna McDaniel — Offering a thing of value to a public official to violate oath of office = a crime.”

Others see new fuel to power Smith’s election subversion case as well as something that Georgia prosecutors might use to bolster their own case against Trump.

Smith’s August indictment includes more than two pages of narrative about Trump’s machinations in Michigan. But the events of Nov. 17 are not included in the litany of facts therein.

It may be that what Smith knew about the November call was too ambiguous to use as evidence. Palmer has described the call far more innocently than the new tapes reveal. As the Detroit News points out, Palmer previously characterized the call as, "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.”

The tape — in which Trump tells the canvassers to “fight for our country” and McDaniel promises legal assistance — instead tells a more sinister story, said former federal judge J. Michael Luttig.

“This new evidence is of a piece with, and bolsters, the considerable other similar evidence of the former president’s interference in the 2020 presidential election that both Jack Smith and Fani Willis have assembled,” he said, referring to the state prosecutor who has charged Trump and associates in Fulton County, Georgia. “The president was not acting in furtherance of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed when he attempted to interfere in the presidential election in Michigan and elsewhere."

Ty Cobb, who once served as Trump’s lawyer and whose views on the 14th Amendment the Trump campaign has recently highlighted, said he saw the recordings as “likely a violation” of the federal honest services fraud statute.

“Also, shows the depths to which Trump personally participated in fraudulently pimping the 'Big Lie,'” Cobb said. “McDaniel is equally exposed. Clearly, evidence going to the core conspiracies charged by the special prosecutor.”

He added that Smith might already have so much evidence that he doesn’t need the Michigan call to bolster his case.

“Often,” he pointed out, “the narrative is pared down to the most persuasive evidence desired by the prosecutor and not all evidence is utilized in order to present the strongest case and avoid distracting tangents.”

However, Michigan officials have been pursuing their own investigations, and Cobb noted it “could be separately charged” in the state, the same way Trump’s actions in Georgia are both part of the larger federal case and Willis’ case in Georgia.

But for every seemingly damning piece of evidence in a criminal case, there’s a defense attorney who can explain it away.

Timothy Parlatore, who previously served on the former president’s criminal defense team, said he wasn’t impressed with what has been reported about the new tapes.

“Seems selective,” he said. “I’d like to hear the entire tape. Much like the Georgia call, an individual sentence without context can seem misleadingly incriminating, but context matters. The promise to get them lawyers does seem like this was part of a legal process.”

He added, “Ronna’s comment makes sense. If they were asking for a pre-certification audit, I don’t see anything incriminating about that. Better to ensure accuracy pre-certification than to try to do it after the fact.”

[FreeBird]

13 hours ago, Ga96 said:

The real question is what will happen 5 years from now.

Will be the United States of Islam ☪️ 

[golfaddict1]

35 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

LOL...lay off the Kool-Aid for a while...did you hear the latest??...they now have a recording of Trump begging COUNTY Officials in Mich. to not certify their votes....sound familiar??....the desperate clown begged whoever he could to break the law to help his plot...f*in amazing you clowns couldn't give a shit about it...how SAD!!....😪

 

What Trump has to fear from the Michigan tape

Ryan Lizza

Fri, December 22, 2023 at 3:02 PM EST·4 min read

468

 

 

A newly unearthed recording of Donald Trump and Ronna McDaniel pressuring two county officials in Michigan not to certify the 2020 election could be the very definition of shocking but not surprising news.

On one hand, the fact that Trump and McDaniel called Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP canvassers in Wayne County, has been known for some time and is included in the House Jan. 6 committee’s report.

Furthermore, Americans have already heard audio of Trump pressuring elections officials in another jurisdiction, and those efforts are already a core part of Jack Smith’s election subversion case in Washington.

 

But several prominent lawyers say the Nov. 17, 2020, phone call — revealed in detail Thursday by the Detroit News — presents new and significant legal peril to the former president and current GOP frontrunner, even if the political ramifications are already baked in to the 2024 presidential race.

Andrew Weissmann, a former DOJ prosecutor, suggested on X last night that the recording could open the door to a federal bribery charge: “Trump and Ronna McDaniel — Offering a thing of value to a public official to violate oath of office = a crime.”

Others see new fuel to power Smith’s election subversion case as well as something that Georgia prosecutors might use to bolster their own case against Trump.

Smith’s August indictment includes more than two pages of narrative about Trump’s machinations in Michigan. But the events of Nov. 17 are not included in the litany of facts therein.

It may be that what Smith knew about the November call was too ambiguous to use as evidence. Palmer has described the call far more innocently than the new tapes reveal. As the Detroit News points out, Palmer previously characterized the call as, "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.”

The tape — in which Trump tells the canvassers to “fight for our country” and McDaniel promises legal assistance — instead tells a more sinister story, said former federal judge J. Michael Luttig.

“This new evidence is of a piece with, and bolsters, the considerable other similar evidence of the former president’s interference in the 2020 presidential election that both Jack Smith and Fani Willis have assembled,” he said, referring to the state prosecutor who has charged Trump and associates in Fulton County, Georgia. “The president was not acting in furtherance of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed when he attempted to interfere in the presidential election in Michigan and elsewhere."

Ty Cobb, who once served as Trump’s lawyer and whose views on the 14th Amendment the Trump campaign has recently highlighted, said he saw the recordings as “likely a violation” of the federal honest services fraud statute.

“Also, shows the depths to which Trump personally participated in fraudulently pimping the 'Big Lie,'” Cobb said. “McDaniel is equally exposed. Clearly, evidence going to the core conspiracies charged by the special prosecutor.”

He added that Smith might already have so much evidence that he doesn’t need the Michigan call to bolster his case.

“Often,” he pointed out, “the narrative is pared down to the most persuasive evidence desired by the prosecutor and not all evidence is utilized in order to present the strongest case and avoid distracting tangents.”

However, Michigan officials have been pursuing their own investigations, and Cobb noted it “could be separately charged” in the state, the same way Trump’s actions in Georgia are both part of the larger federal case and Willis’ case in Georgia.

But for every seemingly damning piece of evidence in a criminal case, there’s a defense attorney who can explain it away.

Timothy Parlatore, who previously served on the former president’s criminal defense team, said he wasn’t impressed with what has been reported about the new tapes.

“Seems selective,” he said. “I’d like to hear the entire tape. Much like the Georgia call, an individual sentence without context can seem misleadingly incriminating, but context matters. The promise to get them lawyers does seem like this was part of a legal process.”

He added, “Ronna’s comment makes sense. If they were asking for a pre-certification audit, I don’t see anything incriminating about that. Better to ensure accuracy pre-certification than to try to do it after the fact.”

Nikki Haley rising  ⬆️ 

[DBP66]

36 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

Nikki Haley rising  ⬆️ 

let's see what happens....she's respectable.

[World Citizen]

2 hours ago, DBP66 said:

let's see what happens....she's respectable.

Not really.  She might be the least crazy but she an enabler and still is part of MAGA.  However, anybody is better than an outright traitor.

[Warrior]

3 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

Nikki Haley rising  ⬆️ 

She has all the Rino swamp money. That Chaney war machine is powerful 

[Warrior]

4 hours ago, DBP66 said:

LOL...lay off the Kool-Aid for a while...did you hear the latest??...they now have a recording of Trump begging COUNTY Officials in Mich. to not certify their votes....sound familiar??....the desperate clown begged whoever he could to break the law to help his plot...f*in amazing you clowns couldn't give a shit about it...how SAD!!....😪

 

What Trump has to fear from the Michigan tape

Ryan Lizza

Fri, December 22, 2023 at 3:02 PM EST·4 min read

468

 

 

A newly unearthed recording of Donald Trump and Ronna McDaniel pressuring two county officials in Michigan not to certify the 2020 election could be the very definition of shocking but not surprising news.

On one hand, the fact that Trump and McDaniel called Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP canvassers in Wayne County, has been known for some time and is included in the House Jan. 6 committee’s report.

Furthermore, Americans have already heard audio of Trump pressuring elections officials in another jurisdiction, and those efforts are already a core part of Jack Smith’s election subversion case in Washington.

 

But several prominent lawyers say the Nov. 17, 2020, phone call — revealed in detail Thursday by the Detroit News — presents new and significant legal peril to the former president and current GOP frontrunner, even if the political ramifications are already baked in to the 2024 presidential race.

Andrew Weissmann, a former DOJ prosecutor, suggested on X last night that the recording could open the door to a federal bribery charge: “Trump and Ronna McDaniel — Offering a thing of value to a public official to violate oath of office = a crime.”

Others see new fuel to power Smith’s election subversion case as well as something that Georgia prosecutors might use to bolster their own case against Trump.

Smith’s August indictment includes more than two pages of narrative about Trump’s machinations in Michigan. But the events of Nov. 17 are not included in the litany of facts therein.

It may be that what Smith knew about the November call was too ambiguous to use as evidence. Palmer has described the call far more innocently than the new tapes reveal. As the Detroit News points out, Palmer previously characterized the call as, "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.”

The tape — in which Trump tells the canvassers to “fight for our country” and McDaniel promises legal assistance — instead tells a more sinister story, said former federal judge J. Michael Luttig.

“This new evidence is of a piece with, and bolsters, the considerable other similar evidence of the former president’s interference in the 2020 presidential election that both Jack Smith and Fani Willis have assembled,” he said, referring to the state prosecutor who has charged Trump and associates in Fulton County, Georgia. “The president was not acting in furtherance of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed when he attempted to interfere in the presidential election in Michigan and elsewhere."

Ty Cobb, who once served as Trump’s lawyer and whose views on the 14th Amendment the Trump campaign has recently highlighted, said he saw the recordings as “likely a violation” of the federal honest services fraud statute.

“Also, shows the depths to which Trump personally participated in fraudulently pimping the 'Big Lie,'” Cobb said. “McDaniel is equally exposed. Clearly, evidence going to the core conspiracies charged by the special prosecutor.”

He added that Smith might already have so much evidence that he doesn’t need the Michigan call to bolster his case.

“Often,” he pointed out, “the narrative is pared down to the most persuasive evidence desired by the prosecutor and not all evidence is utilized in order to present the strongest case and avoid distracting tangents.”

However, Michigan officials have been pursuing their own investigations, and Cobb noted it “could be separately charged” in the state, the same way Trump’s actions in Georgia are both part of the larger federal case and Willis’ case in Georgia.

But for every seemingly damning piece of evidence in a criminal case, there’s a defense attorney who can explain it away.

Timothy Parlatore, who previously served on the former president’s criminal defense team, said he wasn’t impressed with what has been reported about the new tapes.

“Seems selective,” he said. “I’d like to hear the entire tape. Much like the Georgia call, an individual sentence without context can seem misleadingly incriminating, but context matters. The promise to get them lawyers does seem like this was part of a legal process.”

He added, “Ronna’s comment makes sense. If they were asking for a pre-certification audit, I don’t see anything incriminating about that. Better to ensure accuracy pre-certification than to try to do it after the fact.”

Ryan Lizza still has a job in journalism? Surprising 

[Warrior]

4 hours ago, DBP66 said:

LOL...lay off the Kool-Aid for a while...did you hear the latest??...they now have a recording of Trump begging COUNTY Officials in Mich. to not certify their votes....sound familiar??....the desperate clown begged whoever he could to break the law to help his plot...f*in amazing you clowns couldn't give a shit about it...how SAD!!....😪

 

What Trump has to fear from the Michigan tape

Ryan Lizza

Fri, December 22, 2023 at 3:02 PM EST·4 min read

468

 

 

A newly unearthed recording of Donald Trump and Ronna McDaniel pressuring two county officials in Michigan not to certify the 2020 election could be the very definition of shocking but not surprising news.

On one hand, the fact that Trump and McDaniel called Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP canvassers in Wayne County, has been known for some time and is included in the House Jan. 6 committee’s report.

Furthermore, Americans have already heard audio of Trump pressuring elections officials in another jurisdiction, and those efforts are already a core part of Jack Smith’s election subversion case in Washington.

 

But several prominent lawyers say the Nov. 17, 2020, phone call — revealed in detail Thursday by the Detroit News — presents new and significant legal peril to the former president and current GOP frontrunner, even if the political ramifications are already baked in to the 2024 presidential race.

Andrew Weissmann, a former DOJ prosecutor, suggested on X last night that the recording could open the door to a federal bribery charge: “Trump and Ronna McDaniel — Offering a thing of value to a public official to violate oath of office = a crime.”

Others see new fuel to power Smith’s election subversion case as well as something that Georgia prosecutors might use to bolster their own case against Trump.

Smith’s August indictment includes more than two pages of narrative about Trump’s machinations in Michigan. But the events of Nov. 17 are not included in the litany of facts therein.

It may be that what Smith knew about the November call was too ambiguous to use as evidence. Palmer has described the call far more innocently than the new tapes reveal. As the Detroit News points out, Palmer previously characterized the call as, "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.”

The tape — in which Trump tells the canvassers to “fight for our country” and McDaniel promises legal assistance — instead tells a more sinister story, said former federal judge J. Michael Luttig.

“This new evidence is of a piece with, and bolsters, the considerable other similar evidence of the former president’s interference in the 2020 presidential election that both Jack Smith and Fani Willis have assembled,” he said, referring to the state prosecutor who has charged Trump and associates in Fulton County, Georgia. “The president was not acting in furtherance of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed when he attempted to interfere in the presidential election in Michigan and elsewhere."

Ty Cobb, who once served as Trump’s lawyer and whose views on the 14th Amendment the Trump campaign has recently highlighted, said he saw the recordings as “likely a violation” of the federal honest services fraud statute.

“Also, shows the depths to which Trump personally participated in fraudulently pimping the 'Big Lie,'” Cobb said. “McDaniel is equally exposed. Clearly, evidence going to the core conspiracies charged by the special prosecutor.”

He added that Smith might already have so much evidence that he doesn’t need the Michigan call to bolster his case.

“Often,” he pointed out, “the narrative is pared down to the most persuasive evidence desired by the prosecutor and not all evidence is utilized in order to present the strongest case and avoid distracting tangents.”

However, Michigan officials have been pursuing their own investigations, and Cobb noted it “could be separately charged” in the state, the same way Trump’s actions in Georgia are both part of the larger federal case and Willis’ case in Georgia.

But for every seemingly damning piece of evidence in a criminal case, there’s a defense attorney who can explain it away.

Timothy Parlatore, who previously served on the former president’s criminal defense team, said he wasn’t impressed with what has been reported about the new tapes.

“Seems selective,” he said. “I’d like to hear the entire tape. Much like the Georgia call, an individual sentence without context can seem misleadingly incriminating, but context matters. The promise to get them lawyers does seem like this was part of a legal process.”

He added, “Ronna’s comment makes sense. If they were asking for a pre-certification audit, I don’t see anything incriminating about that. Better to ensure accuracy pre-certification than to try to do it after the fact.”

DP, still not illegal 

[GoBigBlack]

9 minutes ago, Warrior said:

DP, still not illegal 

Phew! So just really, really frowned upon?

[golfaddict1]

20 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

Not really.  She might be the least crazy but she an enabler and still is part of MAGA.  However, anybody is better than an outright traitor.

True 

19 minutes ago, Warrior said:

She has all the Rino swamp money. That Chaney war machine is powerful 

DeSantis super pac money is dwindling.  Assume it’s portaling to Nikki.  

[Bormio]

Apocalyptic words cannot be just forgotten.  If the election of Trump means the end of American democracy and the onset of a dictatorship, jailing of his enemies and the end of constitutional rights, what do the leftists here intend to do about it if it happens.  Surely you just can’t stand by and watch.  Or are the words now just irrational hyperbole?

[World Citizen]

1 hour ago, Bormio said:

Apocalyptic words cannot be just forgotten.  If the election of Trump means the end of American democracy and the onset of a dictatorship, jailing of his enemies and the end of constitutional rights, what do the leftists here intend to do about it if it happens.  Surely you just can’t stand by and watch.  Or are the words now just irrational hyperbole?

It's not like the left just made this stuff up.  We got this irrational 'hyperbole' straight from Trump's own words.  Besides, you stood by and watched Jan 6 and never said a word.  But the criminals/traitors are ALL from your side so not surprising you don't care that they wanted to disenfranchise 81 million people and ignore the constitution.  

Trust me...nothing will be forgotten.  

[DBP66]

3 hours ago, World Citizen said:

Not really.  She might be the least crazy but she an enabler and still is part of MAGA.  However, anybody is better than an outright traitor.

you're right...."least crazy" is a better description.