TheRealCAJ Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Proprietary Algorithm = I don't know how I came up with this, but need to label it something. Final Top 25 Anyways, his Top 50 doesn't include DLS or St Mary's who are currently #24 and #25 at calpreps. All proprietary algorithms are not created equal, I guess. Fisher, actually has Edna Karr (NOLA) #24. Think I like his algorithm better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Proprietary Algorithm = I don't know how I came up with this, but need to label it something. Final Top 25 Anyways, his Top 50 doesn't include DLS or St Mary's who are currently #24 and #25 at calpreps. All proprietary algorithms are not created equal, I guess. Fisher, actually has Edna Karr (NOLA) #24. Think I like his algorithm better. No all algorithms are not the same. They all rely on human input... and the humans can decide which GROUPINGS of teams have the advantage. CalPreps obviously gives California a huge advantave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Jeff Fishers HSFBA poll is actually really good. If St. Marys is in your Top 25 theres something wrong with your poll. If they arent in your Top 25, youve done well. People only like CalPreps because it ranks EVERY team, they dont care how off it is. Which is why Ned did it in the 1st place.. without caring it isnt meant to be used that way, although it CAN be.. it doesnt mean it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 The High School Football America Algorithm is the better computer based poll for national rankings. No doubt about it. Cal Preps contains more information that is easier referenced than anything else out there, so for that type use, it is the better computer. If CP would adopt HSFBA-A as their national ranking service, we might be getting pretty close to having a really nice system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said: The High School Football America Algorithm is the better computer based poll for national rankings. No doubt about it. Cal Preps contains more information that is easier referenced than anything else out there, so for that type use, it is the better computer. If CP would adopt HSFBA-A as their national ranking service, we might be getting pretty close to having a really nice system. Absolutely... expand HSFBA to include all teams and show the scores and schedules.... it becomes the ONLY computer poll needed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted December 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Jeff Fisher has the La Salle Lancers #21. His algorithm is very forgiving as the La Salle Lancers were beaten badly by a Top 50 Tennessee team. And, people think I'm crazy for having STA #2. A "Common Sense Algorithm" is truly the best Algorithm when ranking high school football teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 This product is lacking any poll that has Roswell over Mater Dei needs to be reprogrammed does he explain anywhere how it works (as Ned does)? He's also clearly not a math guy so I don't know if it's HIS algorithm or he went out and rented someone like echs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 This poll under ranks the ARIZONA SCHOOLS. No Chandler? Both They and Saguaro probably beat 5 loss St. X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: DBP 1-4 vs Top 20 teams. Not good. #gutchecktime Not really. Bosco even winning 1 game vs Top 50 this year would be a legitimate feat their days of Yore are for the history books 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Any computer programmers among us? It's a long offseason fellas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 I do notice a head scratcher or two as I go through the entire top 50 as provided by the HSFBA poll. The same is true with every single poll out there though. Without knowing precisely what criteria is used to obtain these rankings, it's pretty difficult to argue how certain teams found their way in over others. One is left to assume true strength of schedule and margin of victory has a lot of weight. We also know that Jeff Fisher relied largely on human input in the beginning and has slowly weened the algorithm off of "human tinkering" and has now mostly set the algorithm free to run on it's own, using only preseason inputs. (this latter may explain the lack of common sense factor that Caj mentions in this thread) I think I'd personally prefer some common sense tinkering when there are anomalies arising in the algorithm, although that opens the door for people to attack the ranking. (most likely the primary attacks would come from people whose team was anomalous in the ranking) One would also think that this algorithm has leveled off the strange balloon rankings of particular regions across the country that are created by strong teams that have strong schedules, pulling their regional counterparts up and along with them, which is an obvious and glaring problem with the CalPreps algorithm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, ECHS05 said: People only like CalPreps because it ranks EVERY team, how do you know why people like what? You are on a roll today, Pumpkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, ECHS05 said: Absolutely... expand HSFBA to include all teams and show the scores and schedules.... it becomes the ONLY computer poll needed. godo, he was making a funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 7 hours ago, TheRealCAJ said: Proprietary Algorithm = I don't know how I came up with this, but need to label it something. Final Top 25 Anyways, his Top 50 doesn't include DLS or St Mary's who are currently #24 and #25 at calpreps. All proprietary algorithms are not created equal, I guess. Fisher, actually has Edna Karr (NOLA) #24. Think I like his algorithm better. I LUUUUUV Jeff for throwing Colquitt a bone LAST season BUT!!! HOW does he quantify having five loss St. X in the top 100, when Colquitt AIN'T? SURELY, they didn't play a more difficult schedule than Colquitt did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: This poll under ranks the ARIZONA SCHOOLS. No Chandler? Both They and Saguaro probably beat 5 loss St. X They do. Absolutely. Chandler is #29, I think, at HSFBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 6 hours ago, noonereal said: godo, he was making a funny... No... he wasnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Many years ago I remember taking a course in college which defined and discussed "epistemology." Today, this seems to be called "proprietary algorithm." In truth I have been epistemologically correct for most of my life. My wife merely suggests-in different words-that my proprietary algorithmic values serve my own needs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connman Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 9 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Jeff Fishers HSFBA poll is actually really good. You're just saying that because it's not CalPreps and because it's a newer one and because no one even knows the silly ways the teams may be ranked! He has Chandler 29, Valdosta 30 and no Bingham in the top 50! It has MD at 14, Hoover at 18 and Cocoa at 26. Enough said! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Connman said: You're just saying that because it's not CalPreps and because it's a newer one and because no one even knows the silly ways the teams may be ranked! He has Chandler 29, Valdosta 30 and no Bingham in the top 50! It has MD at 14, Hoover at 18 and Cocoa at 26. Enough said! And when people point out the silly as shit rankings they see at CalPreps? Cathedral Catholic 15? St Marys 25? DLS like 23? Ca teams. At a site named CaliforniaPreps. Its too cliche. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connman Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: And when people point out the silly as shit rankings they see at CalPreps? Cathedral Catholic 15? St Marys 25? DLS like 23? Ca teams. At a site named CaliforniaPreps. Its too cliche. As silly as you and I think those rankings are there can be someone who doesn't because we can't be 100% certain because Cathedral Catholic is undefeated. We can be 100% certain that Jeff Fisher having Valdosta 1 spot behind Chandler is not right, since they were soundly beaten by them and lost to another lower ranked team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, Connman said: As silly as you and I think those rankings are there can be someone who doesn't because we can't be 100% certain because Cathedral Catholic is undefeated. We can be 100% certain that Jeff Fisher having Valdosta 1 spot behind Chandler is not right, since they were soundly beaten by them and lost to another lower ranked team. So we can rank undefeated teams as high as we want because they are undefeated and it cant be disproven? CC & SM were neck and neck.. they went to OT. We know those 2 are close. What happens if Valdosta doesnt give up 21 points in Turnovers? If instead of muffing a punt when they were up 9-8 in the 2nd quarter, they keep that punt and begin a drive with good field position. Does their momentum carry them into the End Zone? Who really knows, the game was decided by literally 4-5 plays. 3 of them turnovers, 1 of those 3 being the KO after halftime. And a 4th play being the long TD run... as Chandler didnt do a ton outside of a few big plays. The game wasnt as lopsided as one might perceive except on the scoreboard... which was 20 points. The Woodlands lost to Lake Travis by 28 but most people still have The Woodlands Top 30-35. LT is a 8-10 team. Valdosta lost to Chandler by only 20, but Valdosta couldnt be ranked at 30 where JF has them? Chandler is a 10-12 team maybe better with the way theyve been playing. You like to ask "What if' and why... always, always questioning me with obscure points. Let me ask you, do you know the Main one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connman Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: So we can rank undefeated teams as high as we want because they are undefeated and it cant be disproven? CC & SM were neck and neck.. they went to OT. We know those 2 are close. What happens if Valdosta doesnt give up 21 points in Turnovers? If instead of muffing a punt when they were up 9-8 in the 2nd quarter, they keep that punt and begin a drive with good field position. Does their momentum carry them into the End Zone? Who really knows, the game was decided by literally 4-5 plays. 3 of them turnovers, 1 of those 3 being the KO after halftime. And a 4th play being the long TD run... as Chandler didnt do a ton outside of a few big plays. The game wasnt as lopsided as one might perceive except on the scoreboard... which was 20 points. The Woodlands lost to Lake Travis by 28 but most people still have The Woodlands Top 30-35. LT is a 8-10 team. Valdosta lost to Chandler by only 20, but Valdosta couldnt be ranked at 30 where JF has them? Chandler is a 10-12 team maybe better with the way theyve been playing. You like to ask "What if' and why... always, always questioning me with obscure points. Let me ask you, do you know the Main one? This isn't about Valdosta specifically, I was just using them as an example to point out some major questions about Jeff Fishers algorithm which seems to be you (and others) flavor of the month! I'm just trying to point out some strange things in it. Look at all the examples of teams losing to the team directly ahead of them. 16 Woodlands beat 17 Allen beat 18 Hoover. 19 SJR beat 20 PC. 29 Chandler beat 30 Valdosta.37 Carmel beat 38 Center Grove beat 39 Warren Central. Seems like too many coincidences without questioning his algorithm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Not to worry all. The No Nonsense Top 100 (with regional rankings included) will be out soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connman Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: Not to worry all. The No Nonsense Top 100 (with regional rankings included) will be out soon. I don't know if yours will be as respected as Jeff Fishers by some folks though, after he had Colquitt #1 last year! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, Connman said: I don't know if yours will be as respected as Jeff Fishers by some folks though, after he had Colquitt #1 last year! ? They were very good last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.