King James record

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

Then again watching Draymond Greene throw a hissy fit is also entertaining.... 

[FolsomPrisonBlues]

The East is a JV league.

The Varsity game is tonight.

Lil queen James beat a bunch of nobodies on the way to the finals again. He isn't even close to being the GOAT.

Enjoy a real game tonight. An ass whoopin awaits James in the finals. 

[FolsomPrisonBlues]

10 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

I hope the Rockets can pull it out... 

Keep hoping.

Dubs win. Rockets choke away a 3-2 lead. 

Enjoy. 

[AztecPadre]

26 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

Its all about superstar ball now.... 

I hope the Rockets can pull it out... 

 

No chance they pull it out. Dubs are going to roll them. Sucks cp3 is out cuz now there will be an * by the championship. The western finals are obviously the real NBA finals. Cavs will be embarrassed. Wish the east could put together a good team to challenge the west. It gets old winning everything.

[AztecPadre]

10 hours ago, WulfTangClan said:

2011 Mavs when they beat your beloved Lebron James and his star studded teammates. 

That was easy. But again, I realize you just started watching basketball so you had no idea.

Lol not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6......

[steeler01]

5 hours ago, nptb17 said:

So Jason Terry Guarded Lebron a whole series?  JJ Barea as well?  You can't really be serious with this madness.  And then you say that he's not on Bird or Kobe's level either.  

Come on man!

He just parrots what people say online.  The guy has no idea what he's watching

[hardhit1]

The King is back

well he never left

waiting for the finals

is he the GOAT?

well everyone is talking about him so must be amongst a couple players considered 😆

[CaliNorth]

14 hours ago, nptb17 said:

Magic's Lakers beat those Celtics and Pistons teams that Jordan never could, until they got old.  

That is a ridiculous comparison.  When Jordan first came up in the league, he had to play in the playoffs the 85-86 Celtics ( Arguably the greatest team of all time ) his second season, and this after missing most of the season due to a fractured ankle. Then he had to play the pistons twice in the Eastern finals, I do believe. He did all of this with players like Orlando Woolridege, trying to beat some of the all time teams. When finally he got some help in Grant and Pippen, they ended the Piston's reign in the east with a sweep, and then whipped the Lakers in 5. The rest is history. All great players take some time until they get over the hump. It took a coaching change in L. A. with Phil Jackson, to finally get the Lakers with Shaq over the hump, and to dethrone Utah who had owned them up until that point. What about Lebron his first round in Cleveland. They were the best in the regular season a couple of times, heavy favorites to beat the Magic, and than Boston. He couldn't get it done either. It takes some time to reach your peak.

[CaliNorth]

14 hours ago, nptb17 said:

Jordan was guarded by guys like 6'2 John Starks.  Miss me with that.  Name the best defenders to guard Jordan. 

Its obvious you never watched the eastern conference play ball in the 80's and 90's. When Jordan would play the pistons, it was one against 10. Those piston teams were great, 10 deep. When Jordan would go in the lane, Sally and Rodman, or Lambier or the other big thug they had, Mahorn, would just clobber him. Same thing they did against Bird. Jordan was still gettng in the 30's and 40's against them. The knicks did the same with Ewing, Oakley, Mason etc.  Back then you could hand check and bump, not like the pussies like Harden and the Rockets who run into people and get awarded ft's. Game is totally different now. Lebron would take a beating. Not saying  that Lebron is not the 2nd greatest player of all time ( Jordan and him stand alone in the top tier ), but it would be much more difficult for him to go to the basket back then.

[steeler01]

11 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

Its obvious you never watched the eastern conference play ball in the 80's and 90's.

Hard fouls were more common but their was a ton of touch fouls.  This every foul you had to be mugged bs I don't know who started

11 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

 it would be much more difficult for him to go to the basket back then.

No it wouldn't.  You can't shade back then.  He'd be in one on one situations against Clifford Robinson,  Detlef Schremf, Jeff Hornacek, Dan  Majerle, Anthony Mason, Glen Rice, Grant Hill, Chris Mullin etc..... 

 

Good luck thinking they're going to stop him on an island

[steeler01]

10 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Hard fouls were more common but their was a ton of touch fouls.  This every foul you had to be mugged bs I don't know who started

No it wouldn't.  You can't shade back then.  He'd be in one on one situations against Clifford Robinson,  Detlef Schremf, Jeff Hornacek, Dan  Majerle, Anthony Mason, Glen Rice, Grant Hill, Chris Mullin etc..... 

 

Good luck thinking they're going to stop him on an island

Top SF of the 90's

 

 

Donny Marshall

Orlando Wooldridge

Scottie Pippen(Not strong enough, but the best by far)

Robert Horry

Chuck Person

Paul Pierce(To young then)

Dale Ellis

Michael Finley

Dennis Scott

Jamal Mashburn

Toni Kukoc

Cedric Ceballos

Clifford Robinson

Detlef Schrempf

Shareef Rahim

Sean Elliott

Glenn Robinson

Dan Majerle

Glenn Rice

Chris Mullin

Dominque Wilkins

Grant HIll

 

 

Which one stops Lebron from getting to the rack when his team goes ISO and clear out the paint?

[steeler01]

 

[ThunderRam]

Well, the NBA got what they wanted. Cavs-Warriors for the 4th consecutive season <YAWN>. All the countless millennials wearing LeBron, KD, and Steph jerseys will have a vested interest now (as if it wasn't already set it stone).

The Cavs will be fortunate to win 1 game like they did last season. As great as LeBron James is, he can't beat the NBA's current darling cash cow with their 4 all-stars and 2 former MVP's. Swap LeBron out for any one of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or even the great Bill Russell and they still aren't beating the Warriors with this supporting cast of Cleveland Cavs.

Cleveland's only realistic chance went bye bye tonight when the Rockets lost. They might have had a shot against a CP3 less Houston team.

If LeBron manages to pull a 4 leaf clover out of his @$$ and somehow win this series or at least take it 6 or 7 games, it would be more impressive than anything else he's accomplished in his career IMO. He's got almost no help.

Cleveland won it's 2018 title on Saturday night when they took down a more talented Boston Celtics team on the road w/o Kevin Love (they might actually play better without him).

[nptb17]

6 hours ago, CaliNorth said:

That is a ridiculous comparison.  When Jordan first came up in the league, he had to play in the playoffs the 85-86 Celtics ( Arguably the greatest team of all time ) his second season, and this after missing most of the season due to a fractured ankle. Then he had to play the pistons twice in the Eastern finals, I do believe. He did all of this with players like Orlando Woolridege, trying to beat some of the all time teams. When finally he got some help in Grant and Pippen, they ended the Piston's reign in the east with a sweep, and then whipped the Lakers in 5. The rest is history. All great players take some time until they get over the hump. It took a coaching change in L. A. with Phil Jackson, to finally get the Lakers with Shaq over the hump, and to dethrone Utah who had owned them up until that point. What about Lebron his first round in Cleveland. They were the best in the regular season a couple of times, heavy favorites to beat the Magic, and than Boston. He couldn't get it done either. It takes some time to reach your peak.

Consider the fact that Jordan's Bulls were beat in the first round 3 strait years, your account of history is not accurate.  And then you think un-athletic John Sally or a 220 pound Dennis Rodman was going to prevent them from getting dunked on.  I'll remind you what you are forgetting about Lebron.

He's 6'8 and 260 and a super athlete still.  At his lightest in the NBA he was around 245.  He's literally bigger than everyone on those Piston teams and way more athletic.  Ben Wallace is was stronger and more athletic than any of those old Pistons and he was put on a poster like it was nobody's business.

[Horsefly]

“King” James has the benefit of playing in a weak conference, evidence by his 37% winning percentage in the finals.  He’s a great player but with an *

[steeler01]

15 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

“King” James has the benefit of playing in a weak conference, evidence by his 37% winning percentage in the finals.  He’s a great player but with an *

Asterisk for what?

 

King James took the sorry Cavs this year and in 2007(When the Pistons were very much a top team)to the finals. Who else in the NBA beats the Heat or Cavs outside of 2007 and this year that you can think of from the West beside their final opponent?

[Horsefly]

10 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Asterisk for what?

 

King James took the sorry Cavs this year and in 2007(When the Pistons were very much a top team)to the finals. Who else in the NBA beats the Heat or Cavs outside of 2007 and this year that you can think of from the West beside their final opponent?

An asterisk for the poor finals performance .  The rockets and warriors would win this yr.  The cavs would have lost to the celtics if kyrie wasn't out.  He had a very favorable road to the finals this season.

 

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

7 hours ago, steeler01 said:

Top SF of the 90's

 

 

Donny Marshall

Orlando Wooldridge

Scottie Pippen(Not strong enough, but the best by far)

Robert Horry

Chuck Person

Paul Pierce(To young then)

Dale Ellis

Michael Finley

Dennis Scott

Jamal Mashburn

Toni Kukoc

Cedric Ceballos

Clifford Robinson

Detlef Schrempf

Shareef Rahim

Sean Elliott

Glenn Robinson

Dan Majerle

Glenn Rice

Chris Mullin

Dominque Wilkins

Grant HIll

 

 

Which one stops Lebron from getting to the rack when his team goes ISO and clear out the paint?

Are these small forwards or strong forwards?

Dale Ellis is a shooting guard who played inside at Tenn, Woolridge is a strong forward.... Dennis Scott a shooter not much else. Robert Horry pf at Alabama to 3 point specialist in NBA. Schrempf defensed pfs down low didnt have lateral to guard tru small forwards... 12 of those are true sf. Clifford Robinson played the post even with Buck and Ducker at Portland.

Really nobody stops James on ISO, you need quickness 15 ft out then switch and help side defense when James gets with 15 ft of rim.

[steeler01]

45 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

An asterisk for the poor finals performance .  The rockets and warriors would win this yr.  The cavs would have lost to the celtics if kyrie wasn't out.  He had a very favorable road to the finals this season.

 

Poor finals performances by Lebron or his team?

 

Lebron aside from the 2011 finals has been dominate, but his team has lost. 

 

The 2016 performance against the GSW by Bron is the greatest achievement ever by a player in a series. He arguably beat the best team to never win an NBA title. 

 

 

 

2007 overmatched by the Spurs Hall of fame cast

2011 Great zone defense, Nowitzki and the 3 point shooters he was surrounded by drilled everyone.

2012 Beats 3 HOF in Harden, Durant and Westbrook

2013 Beats 4 HOF in Duncan, Kawhi, Manu, Parker

2014 Loses to the Spurs 4 HOF James (28 points 8 boards 4 assists)

2015 With no All star players against the Warriors pushes them to 6.(Kyrie and Love out for the series) Bron 36 ppg 13 Board and 9 assists

2016 Greatest performance in finals history and his team comes back to beat one of the best teams of all time

2017 Faces arguably the greatest team of all time and averages 33 points 12 boards and 10 assists

[steeler01]

3 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

Are these small forwards or strong forwards?

Dale Ellis is a shooting guard who played inside at Tenn, Woolridge is a strong forward.... Dennis Scott a shooter not much else. Robert Horry pf at Alabama to 3 point specialist in NBA. Schrempf defensed pfs down low didnt have lateral to guard tru small forwards... 12 of those are true sf. Clifford Robinson played the post even with Buck and Ducker at Portland.

Really nobody stops James on ISO, you need quickness 15 ft out then switch and help side defense when James gets with 15 ft of rim.

Guys that played the 3 or on occasions played the 3 in the 90s. Dale Ellis would switch between the 2 and 3.

 

A lot more post play in the 90's due to the rules. You could post up, without having to worry about anybody face guarding the entry pass. Very different from now a days.

[Horsefly]

43 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Poor finals performances by Lebron or his team?

 

Lebron aside from the 2011 finals has been dominate, but his team has lost. 

 

The 2016 performance against the GSW by Bron is the greatest achievement ever by a player in a series. He arguably beat the best team to never win an NBA title. 

 

 

 

2007 overmatched by the Spurs Hall of fame cast

2011 Great zone defense, Nowitzki and the 3 point shooters he was surrounded by drilled everyone.

2012 Beats 3 HOF in Harden, Durant and Westbrook

2013 Beats 4 HOF in Duncan, Kawhi, Manu, Parker

2014 Loses to the Spurs 4 HOF James (28 points 8 boards 4 assists)

2015 With no All star players against the Warriors pushes them to 6.(Kyrie and Love out for the series) Bron 36 ppg 13 Board and 9 assists

2016 Greatest performance in finals history and his team comes back to beat one of the best teams of all time

2017 Faces arguably the greatest team of all time and averages 33 points 12 boards and 10 assists

LeBron didn’t beat those spurs on his own.  He was surrounded by arguable HOF: wade, bosh and Allen (2012-2013) along with other solid support players.

never said he played bad, just that his body of work in the playoffs is stamped from playing bad teams, which doesn’t make him the best player of all time

when I assess the best player of all time I look at ones who are fluid enough to play any position successfully...that’s Magic J for me.  The most versatile to play the game when we had true centers

[FolsomPrisonBlues]

Who cares!? Lebron about to get swept!

[ThunderRam]

4 hours ago, Horsefly said:

“King” James has the benefit of playing in a weak conference, evidence by his 37% winning percentage in the finals.  He’s a great player but with an *

And if he played on a team in he West, he’d be playing on a more talented team thus he’d have a better chance to beat all those teams too. Put him on Utah, OKC, Portland or NO and there’s a good chance he’s in the Finals. 

And let’s not forget that GSW benefitted from a key injury to their opponent too. With Paul in the lineup, HOU had a good shot to hold on for the W last night and even could have won game 6 before it.

It goes both ways.

[Horsefly]

8 minutes ago, ThunderRam said:

And if he played on a team in he West, he’d be playing on a more talented team thus he’d have a better chance to beat all those teams too. Put him on Utah, OKC, Portland or NO and there’s a good chance he’s in the Finals. 

And let’s not forget that GSW benefitted from a key injury to their opponent too. With Paul in the lineup, HOU had a good shot to hold on for the W last night and even could have won game 6 before it.

It goes both ways.

 

my whole point is the media and others have been falling over themselves bc lebron took a mediocre cavs team to the finals, but that fete has a big asterisk IMO.  I'm not saying he's not good, it's just slightly overrated and not placed in perspective.

[CaliNorth]

10 hours ago, steeler01 said:

Top SF of the 90's

 

 

Donny Marshall

Orlando Wooldridge

Scottie Pippen(Not strong enough, but the best by far)

Robert Horry

Chuck Person

Paul Pierce(To young then)

Dale Ellis

Michael Finley

Dennis Scott

Jamal Mashburn

Toni Kukoc

Cedric Ceballos

Clifford Robinson

Detlef Schrempf

Shareef Rahim

Sean Elliott

Glenn Robinson

Dan Majerle

Glenn Rice

Chris Mullin

Dominque Wilkins

Grant HIll

 

 

Which one stops Lebron from getting to the rack when his team goes ISO and clear out the paint?

 

9 hours ago, ThunderRam said:

Well, the NBA got what they wanted. Cavs-Warriors for the 4th consecutive season <YAWN>. All the countless millennials wearing LeBron, KD, and Steph jerseys will have a vested interest now (as if it wasn't already set it stone).

The Cavs will be fortunate to win 1 game like they did last season. As great as LeBron James is, he can't beat the NBA's current darling cash cow with their 4 all-stars and 2 former MVP's. Swap LeBron out for any one of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or even the great Bill Russell and they still aren't beating the Warriors with this supporting cast of Cleveland Cavs.

Cleveland's only realistic chance went bye bye tonight when the Rockets lost. They might have had a shot against a CP3 less Houston team.

If LeBron manages to pull a 4 leaf clover out of his @$$ and somehow win this series or at least take it 6 or 7 games, it would be more impressive than anything else he's accomplished in his career IMO. He's got almost no help.

Cleveland won it's 2018 title on Saturday night when they took down a more talented Boston Celtics team on the road w/o Kevin Love (they might actually play better without him).

 

10 hours ago, steeler01 said:

Hard fouls were more common but their was a ton of touch fouls.  This every foul you had to be mugged bs I don't know who started

No it wouldn't.  You can't shade back then.  He'd be in one on one situations against Clifford Robinson,  Detlef Schremf, Jeff Hornacek, Dan  Majerle, Anthony Mason, Glen Rice, Grant Hill, Chris Mullin etc..... 

 

Good luck thinking they're going to stop him on an island

You ever hear of double teaming ? This term " shading " is the same thing.  Back when Jordan started playing , teams would double up on him, with big center's in the middle waiting for him. You also  were allowed to lean your arm against the player you were guarding. Today's defense, because of small ball and the 3 point shot emphasis, which spreads out the defense,   Lebron rarely has  go in against the Big's such as Jabbar, Ewing, Morning, etc. Boston has no center, and neither will Warriors when they meet, unless they decide to give Magee  some minutes. He's great against small ball, that is for sure.