CNN reported Strzok escorted from FBI building

[HSFBfan]

9 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

Ali was not a draft dodger.  He was a conscientious objector.  And they didn't support him at that time.  That came later.  

 

Ali was a draft Dodger. He converted to Islam to dodge the war. Google draft dodgers ali comes up on every list 

[HSFBfan]

12 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

Not that it matters but how many did Stalin kill with his own hands?  

 

Plenty including his own generals and such. They dont even have an official number killed by stalin. They cant find the bodies. 

[DevilDog]

14 hours ago, DarterBlue said:

I think HSFB Fan is nuts. But that does not make him in any way unique. We seem to be going stark, staring bonkers as a country. Must be something in the water!

He is applauding a man who he claims loved his Country more than Obama because he killed 6.5million non Germans led those damn Racist into a war where they got their Nazi asses annihilated and his beloved Deutschland Decimated.  Isn't it funny that The Man loves his own people so much that they invented a Marshall Plan to help those damn racist get back on their feet.  President Drumpf is German which might  explain some  of his actions but I would never compare him to Hitler. It is idiotic vitriol from a damn acolyte.

President Obama in no content of Character can be compared to that evil bastard.  Abusing your own people with Eugenics is not loving them.  Unhinged rhetoric

[DevilDog]

Stalin's Soldiers mudstomped Hitler's crew.   Bitches surrendered in droves as their asses froze fucking with Russia.  He loved them so much he sent them to attack another damn European maniac.  This is too damn silly for my mental framework.

[DarterBlue]

2 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

He is applauding a man who he claims loved his Country more than Obama because he killed 6.5million non Germans led those damn Racist into a war where they got their Nazi asses annihilated and his beloved Deutschland Decimated.  Isn't it funny that The Man loves his own people so much that the invented a Marshall Plan to help those damn racist get back on their feet.  President Drumpf is German which might  explain some  of his actions but I would never compare him to Hitler. It is idiotic vitriol from a damn acolyte.

President Obama in no content of Character can be compared to that evil bastard.  Abusing your own people with Eugenics is not loving them.  Unhinged rhetoric

Regardless of whether people liked Obama's policies or not, liked him as a leader or even as a man or not, he is in no way shape or form comparable to perpetrators of mass murder such as: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or even an Idi Amin. That's why I conclude that HSFB Fan has got to be nuts!

[DevilDog]

6 minutes ago, DarterBlue said:

Regardless of whether people liked Obama's policies or not, liked him as a leader or even as a man or not, he is in no way shape or form comparable to perpetrators of mass murder such as: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or even an Idi Amin. That's why I conclude that HSFB Fan has got to be nuts!

Those are the exact others in my mind.  You are a well versed brother. Your comments like @Horsefly are always well packaged and astute. I on the other hand a crusty old Marine Gunny just put it as basic as possible I never want an idiot to not understand my expression.  😀 You college Brothers lol. You two are Douglass and Banneker and I'm Nat Turner.  😋 Polished gents.

[concha]

36 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

You college Brothers lol. You two are Douglass and Banneker and I'm Nat Turner.  😋 Polished gents.

I like to think of myself as an early 90s Denzel.

For what it's worth.

[DarterBlue]

12 minutes ago, concha said:

I like to think of myself as an early 90s Denzel.

For what it's worth.

So you fancy yourself a good looking dude, then!

[DevilDog]

13 hours ago, World Citizen said:

Ali was not a draft dodger.  He was a conscientious objector.  And they didn't support him at that time.  That came later.  

 

Ali converted to Islam because he was sick of  Racism in a Country that wouldn't let him eat in a damn Restaurant in his hometown after representing this nation in the Olympics and other Racist B.S. he faced.  But unlearned ones keep up the lie about converting to avoid the damn War.  He blatantly told you to your face why he did and he didn't hide.   

You are debating someone that is not very learned.  Ali converted to Islam after defeating Sonny Liston in 1964 unless he was a Muslim mystic and could see into the future.  The 1st Combat Troops U.S. Marines landed in 1965.  Here is another Tidbit for the unlearned Ali was found to be unfit to serve back when he was Cassius Clay and failed the Aptitude test.  A MOFO FACT.   and then Good old Racism raised it's ugly head and his classification was changed.  This happened to many African American men leading to a unequal portion sent to the Army and the Marine Corps.  These are damn facts.  He didn't convert to AL ISLAM to avoid the damn war.  CRAZY IGNORANT PEOPLE. 

In 1964, Ali failed the U.S. Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were sub-standard. With the escalation of the Vietnam War, the test standards were lowered in November 1965 and Ali was reclassified as 1-A in February 1966, which meant he was now eligible for the draft and induction into the U.S. Army

THE ONLY TIME IN HISTORY OF AMERICA THAT BLACK MEN WERE CONSIDERED TO BE HEALTHIER THAN WHITE MALES WAS DURING THE VIETNAM DRAFT.  AS WHITE MALES GOT WAY MORE MEDICAL DEFERMENTS THAN BLACK MEN.  DROPPING KNOWLEDGE 

EXHIBIT A: 

 🤘

[DevilDog]

Vietnam era medical examinations for being fit for duty (Draft)

More whites were rejected for physical reasons. From 1950 to 1966, 21 .9% of the whites failed the physical examination while only 14.5% of the blacks examined were rejected  In recent years, the total rejection rate has increased, but the disparity remains. In fiscal year 1970, 34.6% of the whites were rejected, but only 24.5% of the blacks . This difference does not necessarily mean that blacks are healthier.

Black men were incredibly more Healthier than their White Bretheren when it came to Drafting them for war in Vietnam.  But some unlearned one is  harping on Ali as some nefarious draft dodging coward. 

I will gladly give you lessons on real draft dodgers during Vietnam.   

 

 

[DevilDog]

Clearly Ali found White Jesus to be a Hypocritical Liar 😁  This was in 1961.  He was embracing Islam way before announcing it and shocking the Goobers in Louisville 3 years later.   You keep thinking it was to avoid Vietnam it was to avoid and confront the Hell he experienced here in America at that time in the turbulent 60's.  The paper in his hometown refused to call him Ali upsetting him even more. 

Ali describes seeing a cartoon in the Nation of Islam newspaper, Muhammad Speaks, outside a skating rink in his hometown of Louisville. The cartoon illustrated how white slave owners brutally beat their slaves, while insisting that they pray to Jesus. The message: Christianity was the religion of the oppressive white establishment. “I liked that cartoon,” Ali wrote. “It did something to me. And it made sense.”

[Cat_Scratch]

3 hours ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said:

Not a FIVE TIME draft Dodger. 

What a turd. 

Clinton got legit school deferments. Trump MADE UP bone spurs as he was out of school. What a winner. 

Snopes.Com

Bill Clinton’s Draft Records from the Freedom of Information Act files show he was a Pardoned Federal Felon

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Col. E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) ‘registrant who has failed to report … remain liable for induction’.

* Bill Clinton’s birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.

It is a false statement to call Clinton a felon. What he did was legal, but not honorable. 

That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute. However, the timeline quoted above jumps the tracks when it labels Clinton a “felon,” because none of his actions, no matter how unethical or morally questionable they might have been, were illegal. When Clinton agreed in July of 1969 to enter the advanced ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, his draft board rescinded his induction notice and reclassified him with a reservist’s deferment. That he later changed his mind in October 1969 and opted to forego the ROTC program and be reclassified 1-A did not constitute a “failure to report” or make him “AWOL.” At the time of his 1-A re-classification in October 1969 the previous induction notice was no longer in effect, and he was not subsequently re-drafted.

If Clinton had still been obligated to report for induction, his draft board could have got him any time they wanted: they certainly knew where to find him, yet no one ordered him to report to an induction center, no federal agents arrested him for draft evasion, and no MPs came and hauled him away for being AWOL, because he hadn’t broken any laws, civil or military. Likewise, President Carter’s executive order of 21 January 1977, which provided pardons and amnesty for those convicted or suspected of violating the Military Selective Service Act between 1964 and 1973 did not apply to Clinton because he committed no such violation.

Although what he did may not have been against the law, Clinton’s broken promises and contradictory statements about his efforts to avoid the draft were prime examples of the kind of self-serving doublespeak that later earned him the sobriquet “Slick Willie,” as Maraniss concluded in his Clinton biography, First in His Class:

“It was just a fluke,” Clinton would say decades later, when first asked how he had made it through this period without serving in the military. But of course it was not a fluke. A fluke is a wholly accidental stroke of good luck. What happened to Clinton during that fateful year did not happen by accident. He fretted and planned every move, he got help from others when needed, he resorted to some deception or manipulation when necessary, and he was ultimately lucky.

Just so you know the whole story.

[DarterBlue]

5 hours ago, Sportsnut said:

No,....a dirty cop.

Ahh ... so it was Training Day that did it, then?

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

6 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said:

Snopes.Com

Bill Clinton’s Draft Records from the Freedom of Information Act files show he was a Pardoned Federal Felon

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Col. E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) ‘registrant who has failed to report … remain liable for induction’.

* Bill Clinton’s birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton.

It is a false statement to call Clinton a felon. What he did was legal, but not honorable. 

That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute. However, the timeline quoted above jumps the tracks when it labels Clinton a “felon,” because none of his actions, no matter how unethical or morally questionable they might have been, were illegal. When Clinton agreed in July of 1969 to enter the advanced ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, his draft board rescinded his induction notice and reclassified him with a reservist’s deferment. That he later changed his mind in October 1969 and opted to forego the ROTC program and be reclassified 1-A did not constitute a “failure to report” or make him “AWOL.” At the time of his 1-A re-classification in October 1969 the previous induction notice was no longer in effect, and he was not subsequently re-drafted.

If Clinton had still been obligated to report for induction, his draft board could have got him any time they wanted: they certainly knew where to find him, yet no one ordered him to report to an induction center, no federal agents arrested him for draft evasion, and no MPs came and hauled him away for being AWOL, because he hadn’t broken any laws, civil or military. Likewise, President Carter’s executive order of 21 January 1977, which provided pardons and amnesty for those convicted or suspected of violating the Military Selective Service Act between 1964 and 1973 did not apply to Clinton because he committed no such violation.

Although what he did may not have been against the law, Clinton’s broken promises and contradictory statements about his efforts to avoid the draft were prime examples of the kind of self-serving doublespeak that later earned him the sobriquet “Slick Willie,” as Maraniss concluded in his Clinton biography, First in His Class:

“It was just a fluke,” Clinton would say decades later, when first asked how he had made it through this period without serving in the military. But of course it was not a fluke. A fluke is a wholly accidental stroke of good luck. What happened to Clinton during that fateful year did not happen by accident. He fretted and planned every move, he got help from others when needed, he resorted to some deception or manipulation when necessary, and he was ultimately lucky.

Just so you know the whole story.

What a story.

Slick Willie, indeed.

Regards,

BGW

[AztecPadre]

17 hours ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said:

Wow. 

This might be the worst post in this forums history. 

@AztecPadre @DarterBlue what do u think? @DevilDog

Nothing to say to a lost soul. The only good thing about fatass chump, is he brought the ugly ones who hid their hate for minorities and true democracy. That's all I gotta say bout dat.

[World Citizen]

11 minutes ago, AztecPadre said:

Nothing to say to a lost soul. The only good thing about fatass chump, is he brought the ugly ones who hid their hate for minorities and true democracy. That's all I gotta say bout dat.

What happens when Trump is gone?  Do these POS just slither back into the shadows?  Act like they are not the real cause of all this shit?  

I know Karma catches all of us though and they will reap what they sow.  

 

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

What happens when Trump is gone?  Do these POS just slither back into the shadows?  Act like they are not the real cause of all this shit?  

I know Karma catches all of us though and they will reap what they sow.  

 

Nope we will keep voting Republican and not  just some moderate Republicans. 

[thc6795]

10 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

What happens when Trump is gone?  Do these POS just slither back into the shadows?  Act like they are not the real cause of all this shit?  

I know Karma catches all of us though and they will reap what they sow.  

 

I guess we will see in 6+ years. In the meantime Ill enjoy watching you soak your panties. 

[DevilDog]

31 minutes ago, AztecPadre said:

Nothing to say to a lost soul. The only good thing about fatass chump, is he brought the ugly ones who hid their hate for minorities and true democracy. That's all I gotta say bout dat.

No doubt.  As much as I love Nat Turner you should love Popé's Rebellion.  I spent the last Month studying the Peublo's Revolt.  Amazing dude Popé' to coordinate the Indians against that damn Hypocrisy and I am sure he would be rolling in his grave with what is happening to the Children today of his indigenous people.  The Acoma Massacre should be required reading for all Native descendants and learn about the viciousness of these So Called God Fearing Christians.  Same damn thing on a smaller scale.  I heard a lady from DOH security saying we are teaching these kids.  WTF are they teaching them.  

Scary Stuff.  Open hatred toward these people.  I am not Pro Illegal Immigration as neither are most Americans but if you don't have a problem with what is happening to separation of these kids you have no moral authority to compare anyone to Hitler while the Man you are supporting is enforcing on a lessor scale Germanic acts against a group of People that you have no respect for.

[thc6795]

12 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

No doubt.  As much as I love Nat Turner you should love Popé's Rebellion.  I spent the last Month studying the Peublo's Revolt.  Amazing dude Popé' to coordinate the Indians against that damn Hypocrisy and I am sure he would be rolling in his grave with what is happening to the Children today of his indigenous people.  The Acoma Massacre should be required reading for all Native descendants and learn about the viciousness of these So Called God Fearing Christians.  Same damn thing on a smaller scale.  I heard a lady from DOH security saying we are teaching these kids.  WTF are they teaching them.  

Scary Stuff.  Open hatred toward these people.  I am not Pro Illegal Immigration as neither are most Americans but if you don't have a problem with what is happening to separation of these kids you have no moral authority to compare anyone to Hitler while the Man you are supporting is enforcing on a lessor scale Germanic acts against a group of People that you have no respect for.

I dont want to see any kid taken from a parent unless it is for the childs welfare. However what are we to do with these kids? Who is going to pay to transition them into our cities? Who is paying for their health care? Who is going to house them? Who is going to teach them English? Then what about schooling? Teachers are over worked and under paid now. Classes all are over booked there are not enough supplies as it is now for citizens and LEGAL immigrants. What about those legal immigrants? Those people did everything they were supposed to do, now they have to wait because of these kids and their parents? 

What programs are you willing to cut to help these kids and their ILLEGAL families? I for one dont want to see one single American or legal immigrant have to go hungry or homeless to help these kids and their families.

The blame here is on these kids parents they chose to break these laws. In America when you break laws there are consequences, Yes? 

[DBP66]

7 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Two more traitors exposed...

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/

 

how many "traitors" do you think were in the FBI when Obama was President?....none?....or a majority of the FBI?...#getreal

[HSFBfan]

15 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

I dont want to see any kid taken from a parent unless it is for the childs welfare. However what are we to do with these kids? Who is going to pay to transition them into our cities? Who is paying for their health care? Who is going to house them? Who is going to teach them English? Then what about schooling? Teachers are over worked and under paid now. Classes all are over booked there are not enough supplies as it is now for citizens and LEGAL immigrants. What about those legal immigrants? Those people did everything they were supposed to do, now they have to wait because of these kids and their parents? 

What programs are you willing to cut to help these kids and their ILLEGAL families? I for one dont want to see one single American or legal immigrant have to go hungry or homeless to help these kids and their families.

The blame here is on these kids parents they chose to break these laws. In America when you break laws there are consequences, Yes? 

I agree with everything you said except for teachers getting underpaid. How much would u like to pay someone who only has to work 180 days of the year and I have teachers that are aunts. People earn 60k and work more than that. So what's a good number for someone working only 180 days a year 

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

My buddy is a Special Ed teacher in Westchester County NY. His base salary is $160k, he works four hours a day and has his summers off. 

Scardsdale?? I know they pay a ton. But exactly my point. Teachers in rockland Westchester make a ton of money off every weekend every holiday every snow day every summer etc etc 

[DBP66]

9 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

They were all part of the same "Den of Thieves." Thank God, DJT won. 

..same "den of thieves"??...just like the "deep state" or are they one in the same?....do you think there are more "Libs" working in the FBI or more Trumpers?....hummmm....it's not even close....

[DBP66]

5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

My buddy is a Special Ed teacher in Westchester County NY. His base salary is $160k, he works four hours a day and has his summers off. 

...I have 2 good friends that work in Westchester, one is an administration and the other a 25 year+ teacher.....^^...this is B.S...now if you said he works full time it may have been true.