DownSouth Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 hours ago, concha said: He is an idiot. Then every flu season we should shut the nation down. We should have a speed limit of 5 mph. Alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal. No sharp knives... COVID deaths in the last 8 months equals the amount of deaths from the last 5 flu seasons. We also have a flu vaccine which is about 50-60% effective, which would do a lot more good if everyone took it. Further, the flu season was nuked down to miniscule levels due to lockdowns and masks which shows a major correlation that those measures did in fact help. Alcohol and tobacco are both regulated, as is speeding, car insurance, traffic lights, etc. I have no idea what you're talking about or why you're trying to shield yourself from the reality. For the record, I'm not for shutting the country down at this point unless it's a compact area that is seriously getting hit hard. We blew it the first time and there's no going back to fix it - wear a mask and cut down on unnecessary social interactions. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, DownSouth said: For the record, I'm not for shutting the country down at this point unless it's a compact area that is seriously getting hit hard. We blew it the first time and there's no going back to fix it - wear a mask and cut down on unnecessary social interactions. all shutdowns need to be predicated on the infection rate. The size of the area is dependent on how big the infected area is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, DownSouth said: COVID deaths in the last 8 months equals the amount of deaths from the last 5 flu seasons. We also have a flu vaccine which is about 50-60% effective, which would do a lot more good if everyone took it. [And is a reason flu deaths are low as they are] Further, the flu season was nuked down to miniscule levels due to lockdowns and masks which shows a major correlation that those measures did in fact help. Alcohol and tobacco are both regulated, as is speeding, car insurance, traffic lights, etc. I have no idea what you're talking about or why you're trying to shield yourself from the reality. For the record, I'm not for shutting the country down at this point unless it's a compact area that is seriously getting hit hard. We blew it the first time and there's no going back to fix it - wear a mask and cut down on unnecessary social interactions. We know lots more now than 6 months ago. The risk to the overwhelming majority of the population is tiny. There have been well under 20,000 deaths in the 25-54 age group (the prime working age population of nearly 130,000,000). Under the age of 25? Maybe 500 deaths out of a population of over 100,000,000. And many of those deaths include deaths from early in the year when we didn't have any treatments. Keep people of advanced age quarantined and have them and those in contact with them using PPE, washing hands etc. Anyone else who wants to can limit social interaction and wear PPE should they so choose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 45 minutes ago, DownSouth said: I have no idea what you're talking about or why you're trying to shield yourself from the reality. He's mad at MASKS. He'll get over it....if he doesn't, who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, concha said: We know lots more now than 6 months ago. The risk to the overwhelming majority of the population is tiny. There have been well under 20,000 deaths in the 25-54 age group (the prime working age population of nearly 130,000,000). Under the age of 25? Maybe 500 deaths out of a population of over 100,000,000. And many of those deaths include deaths from early in the year when we didn't have any treatments. Keep people of advanced age quarantined and have them and those in contact with them using PPE, washing hands etc. Anyone else who wants to can limit social interaction and wear PPE should they so choose. That sounds somewhat reasonable, but that's kind of what we have going on anyway...lots of places are open where I am at the moment (Vegas), only thing is there's capacity limits and mask mandates everywhere...aside from that there's nothing stopping you from normal life. But until the virus is controlled more (coherent message from Trump that masks and limiting movement does save lives) a lot of people won't go out and "fix" the economy. If half the country takes guidelines seriously while the other half flips out on Wal-Mart greeters for trying to impose a mask policy, things won't get better to the degree that is possible; which is what makes me laugh about Trump, because he's shooting his foot and harming his reelection by pretending it'll just go away. The country is still getting 30,000-50,000 new cases a day and around 700-1000 deaths per day. Obviously, the response is disorganized and not coherent. - And I put that on Donald Trump. Look at his WH, it's a red hot infection zone and I hope that shithead Chris Christie will be okay as he's going on 3 days in the hospital now too. Look at Trump now, he's got it, he was on camera clearly struggling to breathe, and very likely has COVID pneumonia (doctors won't answer questions about lungs but will about heart, liver, and kidneys). I'm not saying he'd be dead without the drugs they've given him (some of which literally NOBODY but him could get), but I do think he'd be in dire condition - and may still end up crashing as many patients do, which hopefully that does not happen. And yet he's saying no big deal it's just a flu, and he's filming silly videos that make him look like Pinochet. The CDC is constantly changing guidelines that make sense, to something different (reports are that it's always from pressure from the WH). What you're saying makes some sense. But this President doesn't seem capable of phrasing it like that. Virus is a problem, it spreads 4 times more than the flu and it's going to keep going unless there's a coherent message from the WH. "No big deal," doesn't cut it from them. I'd still impose capacity limits on bars, restaurants, and casinos. Schools, I would bring the kids in on staggered schedules so only 1/3 of the total student body is in class each day - a lot of teachers are vulnerable and should get hazard pay (McConnell wasn't going to allow that even before Trump opened his mouth and tanked the market today). Bottom line, there's a lot of reasonable or building block suggestions out there, but when the President is a chaos agent...you get chaos that affects everyone. My main issue with Trump isn't his policies, it's that he's a chaos agent that wants division on everything - and that's what this country has devolved into. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouth Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, RedZone said: He's mad at MASKS. He'll get over it....if he doesn't, who cares? It's insane that people are mad about wearing a piece of cloth over their mouth and nose. You wear shoes to protect your feet from getting cut up by the ground. You wear a shirt to keep the sun from scorching you. You wear a coat to protect you from low temperatures. You use an umbrella to keep you from getting wet. You wear a mask to lessen the chances of spreading viruses to those nearby. It's only a big deal because 30%-35% of this country will believe ANYTHING Trump says or does, they follow his lead like ducklings. If Trump had given his support to these things for the long term, we'd have way less cases and deaths per day and the economy would be stronger...so he's done nothing but harm himself literally and figuratively the entire time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 By the way, there's a whole thread of concha hysteria on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, DownSouth said: I have no idea what you're talking about or why you're trying to shield yourself from the reality. It's what he does all the time about every issue. This one is just much funnier given his track record and previous posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, DownSouth said: That sounds somewhat reasonable, but that's kind of what we have going on anyway... concha's record on this is nothing short of laughable. He's just mad that he couldn't lie about economic numbers any more because his God King fucked up the response to a Pandemic so bad that 30 million jobs were temporarily lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, DownSouth said: Chris Christie May be dead very soon. Someone is eventually going to die in this crowd. I said last week it was it was going to take someone dying in the trump loop for those knuckleheads to take this seriously. Chris Christie.....I don't know, man. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/ex-nj-gov-chris-christie-remains-hospitalized-for-covid-19.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Bormio said: Cuomo crystallized the attitude when he said he wasn’t going to see his mother die, nor should anyone else. The “if we can save one life” argument. It is appealing and tugs at people’s emotions. But it is terrible public policy, because it puts an infinite price on human life, without considering the costs of the actions you take. Isn't that how much a human life costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 @RedZone Don't forget our buddy who already met the big pizza maker in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, RedZone said: May be dead very soon. Someone is eventually going to die in this crowd. I said last week it was it was going to take someone dying in the trump loop for those knuckleheads to take this seriously. Chris Christie.....I don't know, man. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/ex-nj-gov-chris-christie-remains-hospitalized-for-covid-19.html Been in the hospital 3 days going on 4 and no one knows his condition. It's a mystery, or is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: @RedZone Don't forget our buddy who already met the big pizza maker in the sky. That's sad and funny. Big pizza maker. He was going to die anyways according to the Covid Sheep. I guess if Chris Christie loses he was going to die anyways too. Doesn't sound good for Christie. Purely speculation on my part though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, RedZone said: He was going to die anyways according to the Covid Sheep. I guess if Chris Christie loses he was going to die anyways too. Doesn't sound good for Christie. The party of life. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, DownSouth said: That sounds somewhat reasonable, but that's kind of what we have going on anyway...lots of places are open where I am at the moment (Vegas), only thing is there's capacity limits and mask mandates everywhere...aside from that there's nothing stopping you from normal life. But until the virus is controlled more (coherent message from Trump that masks and limiting movement does save lives) a lot of people won't go out and "fix" the economy. If half the country takes guidelines seriously while the other half flips out on Wal-Mart greeters for trying to impose a mask policy, things won't get better to the degree that is possible; which is what makes me laugh about Trump, because he's shooting his foot and harming his reelection by pretending it'll just go away. The country is still getting 30,000-50,000 new cases a day and around 700-1000 deaths per day. Obviously, the response is disorganized and not coherent. - And I put that on Donald Trump. Look at his WH, it's a red hot infection zone and I hope that shithead Chris Christie will be okay as he's going on 3 days in the hospital now too. Look at Trump now, he's got it, he was on camera clearly struggling to breathe, and very likely has COVID pneumonia (doctors won't answer questions about lungs but will about heart, liver, and kidneys). I'm not saying he'd be dead without the drugs they've given him (some of which literally NOBODY but him could get), but I do think he'd be in dire condition - and may still end up crashing as many patients do, which hopefully that does not happen. And yet he's saying no big deal it's just a flu, and he's filming silly videos that make him look like Pinochet. The CDC is constantly changing guidelines that make sense, to something different (reports are that it's always from pressure from the WH). What you're saying makes some sense. But this President doesn't seem capable of phrasing it like that. Virus is a problem, it spreads 4 times more than the flu and it's going to keep going unless there's a coherent message from the WH. "No big deal," doesn't cut it from them. I'd still impose capacity limits on bars, restaurants, and casinos. Schools, I would bring the kids in on staggered schedules so only 1/3 of the total student body is in class each day - a lot of teachers are vulnerable and should get hazard pay (McConnell wasn't going to allow that even before Trump opened his mouth and tanked the market today). Bottom line, there's a lot of reasonable or building block suggestions out there, but when the President is a chaos agent...you get chaos that affects everyone. My main issue with Trump isn't his policies, it's that he's a chaos agent that wants division on everything - and that's what this country has devolved into. Capacity limitations. Those alone can be business killers. And please save the drama about people flipping over mask requirements. How often does that really happen? Hint; LOTS less than the media would like you to believe whenever they can get a video of it front and center on your tv screen. I'm hardly shocked that you put things on Trump, even though governors are generally in charge. The CDC changes something and OF COURSE there are reports that it's due to Trump. When AREN'T there "reports" that Trump is doing something bad? Meanwhile, leftist pols and "news" people are getting caught without masks and no fucking problem. As they preach and pontificate about how evil and irresponsible Trump is... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: concha's record on this is nothing short of laughable. He's just mad that he couldn't lie about economic numbers any more because his God King fucked up the response to a Pandemic so bad that 30 million jobs were temporarily lost. Andy, While Trump was declaring health emergencies, limiting travel, getting the government and private sector working on ventilators, vaccines and medications and trying to replenish the national PPE stockpile that Obama used and never replaced, folks on your side of the aisle were urging people to crowd into Lunar New Year festivals and sending infected people to old folks homes. Bless Your Heart, Andy. 🤡 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, concha said: Andy, While Trump was declaring health emergencies, limiting travel, getting the government and private sector working on ventilators, vaccines and medications and trying to replenish the national PPE stockpile that Obama used and never replaced, folks on your side of the aisle were urging people to crowd into Lunar New Year festivals and sending infected people to old folks homes. Bless Your Heart, Andy. 🤡 That is possibly the most thorough, and devastating single sentence I could possibly imagine, to totally destroy the left's absurd claim that Trump has handled the pandemic poorly, and the equally absurd contention that Joe Biden could have done better. Superb, Concha. I nominate this post for Post of the Year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 8 hours ago, DownSouth said: COVID deaths in the last 8 months equals the amount of deaths from the last 5 flu seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 8 hours ago, RedZone said: May be dead very soon. Someone is eventually going to die in this crowd. I said last week it was it was going to take someone dying in the trump loop for those knuckleheads to take this seriously. Chris Christie.....I don't know, man. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/ex-nj-gov-chris-christie-remains-hospitalized-for-covid-19.html It's really strange that trump hasn't posted one get well tweet or called Chris Christie to check on him.....to my knowledge. It's like Christie doesn't even exist in trump's world any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Slotback Right said: That is possibly the most thorough, and devastating single sentence I guess a sentence that long has to be thorough, right? Sadly, it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoolingGrew Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: I can't stop laughing. Please help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Slotback Right said: That is possibly the most thorough, and devastating single sentence I could possibly imagine, to totally destroy the left's absurd claim that Trump has handled the pandemic poorly, and the equally absurd contention that Joe Biden could have done better. Superb, Concha. I nominate this post for Post of the Year! and what happened to the Pandemic team we had in place to deal with this??...oh yea...Trump got rid of them because it was Obama's team..."downplaying" the disease??...."15 cases soon to be down to none"...."it will go away when the weather gets warmer"....now with the numbers going up once again around the country Trump says we "need to learn to live with the virus"?!?...he couldn't have screwed things up and more than he did....😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 9 hours ago, concha said: The CDC changes something and OF COURSE there are reports that it's due to Trump. When AREN'T there "reports" that Trump is doing something bad? I don't know. Maybe because it's always Trump doing something bad behind the scenes? 🤷♂️ You're such a whiny little bitch. A morally normal person would've figured this out a long time ago: Trump is an idiot who kills everything he touches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 9 hours ago, concha said: While Trump was declaring health emergencies, limiting travel, getting the government and private sector working on ventilators, vaccines and medications and trying to replenish the national PPE stockpile that Obama used and never replaced, folks on your side of the aisle were urging people to crowd into Lunar New Year festivals and sending infected people to old folks homes. Republicans are still downplaying the virus NOW. Yes, some Democrats sad the same thing Republicans were saying......in February and March. You assclowns are still trying your damnedest to make sure the fewest number of people actually take the virus seriously. You're doing it as we speak. 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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