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Imagine if your job paid you exactly enough to pay for your mortgage/rent and food. And then told you that you weren’t allowed to get another job to make more money. Same concept/rule the NCAA have these players under. Athletes should be allowed to capitalize on their likeness.

Why is it against NCAA rules for a guy like Najee Harris while at Alabama to do an autograph signing and make money. Who does that hurt. 

 

Great point read here

 

Of course it’s against NCAA policy for a player to receive payment until he has left the university and gone pro. After that, they don’t care what the players do. Why would they? They just hand out more scholarships to a new group of slaves fresh out of high school and exploit them. It’s a money scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud. Meanwhile, only 1.7 percent of these college football players will ever earn a penny in the pros. So they polish their cherished diplomas and start applying for entry-level positions, while the coaches they played for are set for life, and the universities they bled for erect more buildings.

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24 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

So if they sign autographs for money they should not have a scholarship?

I don't think you can have it both ways.  Give them full autonomy with their likeness and if they want to attend the university...they pay like everybody else.  If the school wants to sell apparel with their name...they're part of the deal.  They get compensated.  They just don't get the scholly AND the compensation.

 

 

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Its pretty easy to understand the kids make more than their scholarships are worth. You got 2 billion dollar business 1 claiming to be none profit profiting off kids. They should get scholarships and a set rate and any extra should be put into account until they graduate or leave the school.

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5 minutes ago, Rufus69 said:

I don't think you can have it both ways.  Give them full autonomy with their likeness and if they want to attend the university...they pay like everybody else.  If the school wants to sell apparel with their name...they're part of the deal.  They get compensated.  They just don't get the scholly AND the compensation.

 

 

Rufus>>

Doesn't sound very libertarian of you

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Card signing or likeness huh? So ABCU alum says “Hooville.......you come play for ABCU and you can have an autograph signing once a month and we guarantee you 500K per signing! How does that sound, Son?” And now we’re talking bidding wars. If you don’t think that would happen I got a bridge here in Marietta to sell you. 

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4 minutes ago, Sweetlarry said:

Card signing or likeness huh? So ABCU alum says “Hooville.......you come play for ABCU and you can have an autograph signing once a month and we guarantee you 500K per signing! How does that sound, Son?” And now we’re talking bidding wars. If you don’t think that would happen I got a bridge here in Marietta to sell you. 

If General Motors or Toyota pays a kid like Devonte Smith 500k per signing and he does 6 a year for 3 million are you against it?

Take a female softball player who is smoking hot playboy offers to pay her 500k to pose nude are you against that? If the same girl Victoria Secret offers her 2 million a year to model are you against that?

Nike offers a kid like Tim Tebow to be a spokesman and pays him 5 million a year you against that?

The schools don't pay in NIL. 

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Lost in this discussion are the benefits that attending and playing for the university give to the kids that they'd otherwise never have. Many would never be admitted to the university in the first place without the football scholarship. And, they'd never achieve the stardom they enjoy-and thus the opportunities to profit through likeness, autographs etc- without the program they play for being the big deal that it is. And, people are mistaken when they say things that amount to "Ohio State football would be nothing without Justin Fields", or "the reason people pay to watch Alabama is to see Devonta Smith play". Those are absolutely stupid ideas...which are believed by many, including, it appears, members of the Supreme Court. Devonta Smith became the big deal that he did because he was a star player on a team that was ALREADY a huge deal based on generations of fan support that were present before he was born, and will be present after he's dead (I say this knowing I actually think college football as we know it is nearing extinction). 

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13 minutes ago, badrouter said:

Lost in this discussion are the benefits that attending and playing for the university give to the kids that they'd otherwise never have. Many would never be admitted to the university in the first place without the football scholarship. And, they'd never achieve the stardom they enjoy-and thus the opportunities to profit through likeness, autographs etc- without the program they play for being the big deal that it is. And, people are mistaken when they say things that amount to "Ohio State football would be nothing with Justin Fields", or "the reason people pay to watch Alabama is to see Devonta Smith play". Those are absolutely stupid ideas...which are believed by many, including, it appears, members of the Supreme Court. Devonta Smith became the big deal that he did because he was a star player on a team that was ALREADY a huge deal based on generations of fan support that were present before he was born, and will be present after he's dead (I say this knowing I actually think college football as we know it is nearing extinction). 

The true star at Alabama is Nick Saban. Just like when Bryant was at Alabama he was the true star not the players.

 

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3 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said:

The true star at Alabama is Nick Saban. Just like when Bryant was at Alabama he was the true star not the players.

 

The head football coach is a star, yes. And Saban has had the greatest run of all-time. And yet he's still not as revered as Paul "Bear" Bryant. And when Gene Stallings, or Bill Curry, or even Mike Dubose were the head coach, they were stars as well. WHOEVER they hire to be head coach is going to be a big deal. The same way whoever is the QB will be a big deal. The same way that anyone who ends up being a prominent player on the team will be a big deal. All of them are big deals because they figure prominently into a program that has-and has had- a MASSIVE following for a century.

But, everything I said which applies at an Alabama does not necessarily apply at just anywhere. How much money do you think the starting QB of, say, Bowling Green can command for his likeness?

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The problem for the Bowling Green Qb is that, if BG decides in a new model that they can’t possibly compete and so they stop offering football scholarships, he’s out of luck. He’s not making money for football- there’s no demand for him- AND now he’s out a scholarship. His alternatives may be much less appealing. 

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47 minutes ago, badrouter said:

The problem for the Bowling Green Qb is that, if BG decides in a new model that they can’t possibly compete and so they stop offering football scholarships, he’s out of luck. He’s not making money for football- there’s no demand for him- AND now he’s out a scholarship. His alternatives may be much less appealing. 

This is the story for over 95% of CFB players. More of the haves and have nots.

 

How people don’t understand this ends college athletics is beyond me. 

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1 hour ago, HooverOutlaw said:

If General Motors or Toyota pays a kid like Devonte Smith 500k per signing and he does 6 a year for 3 million are you against it?

Take a female softball player who is smoking hot playboy offers to pay her 500k to pose nude are you against that? If the same girl Victoria Secret offers her 2 million a year to model are you against that?

Nike offers a kid like Tim Tebow to be a spokesman and pays him 5 million a year you against that?

The schools don't pay in NIL. 

So you want kids to go to the highest bidder? You can’t be so droll that you don’t see this. Boosters own the companies that will be paying these kids. 
 

It’s pretty fucking simple. 

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2 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said:

So they polish their cherished diplomas and start applying for entry-level positions, while the coaches they played for are set for life, and the universities they bled for erect more buildings.

What's more is that the same dumbass who just celebrated the decision to allow more educational aid is now admitting that most of these guys don't give a shit about their education.

And yet they want to blame everybody else when their degree gets them an "entry-level" position.

Everybody else has to get that entry-level position and many of them do it with thousands of dollars of student loan debt to repay.

It's not enough for these players to believe that they have value when they don't but they also manage to be completely ungrateful at the same time.

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20 minutes ago, Sweetlarry said:

So you want kids to go to the highest bidder? You can’t be so droll that you don’t see this. Boosters own the companies that will be paying these kids. 
 

It’s pretty fucking simple. 

Larry it is called free market value.  The best normally make more money.  LSU boosters can just rob more children's hospitals to pay players.

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The people celebrating this who think they are “liberating” the athletes truly do not understand the nature of college athletics, and how they differ from the pros. The demand and thus financial support directed towards the college programs is predominantly from people who love the university, its teams and its traditions. They don’t join as boosters just to see certain athletes “perform”.  If all anyone wants to do is watch the very best athletes “perform” they can tune in to pro sports: anything else is by definition an inferior product. 

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3 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Imagine if your job paid you exactly enough to pay for your mortgage/rent and food. And then told you that you weren’t allowed to get another job to make more money. Same concept/rule the NCAA have these players under. Athletes should be allowed to capitalize on their likeness.

Why is it against NCAA rules for a guy like Najee Harris while at Alabama to do an autograph signing and make money. Who does that hurt. 

 

Great point read here

 

Of course it’s against NCAA policy for a player to receive payment until he has left the university and gone pro. After that, they don’t care what the players do. Why would they? They just hand out more scholarships to a new group of slaves fresh out of high school and exploit them. It’s a money scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud. Meanwhile, only 1.7 percent of these college football players will ever earn a penny in the pros. So they polish their cherished diplomas and start applying for entry-level positions, while the coaches they played for are set for life, and the universities they bled for erect more buildings.

Because athletes, no matter whether they are stars or NOT, get a full ride that totals well over $200,000 AMUUURICAN, PLUS expenses! THAT'S WHY! OR, they could just get a job as an apprentice plumber, and make HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS, at $60.00-$80.00 an hour!!

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59 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Larry it is called free market value.  The best normally make more money.  LSU boosters can just rob more children's hospitals to pay players.

Where does it end? HS? MS? Elementary? There’s no clear line. There’s no line, period. 
 

Every time I think you can’t say something more ridiculous you outdo yourself. I’m embarrassed for you. 

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2 minutes ago, Sweetlarry said:

Where does it end? HS? MS? Elementary? There’s no clear line. There’s no line, period. 
 

Every time I think you can’t say something more ridiculous you outdo yourself. I’m embarrassed for you. 

It starts at birth. But as far as LSU boosters I guess they will keep stealing from children's cancer hospitals. 

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1 minute ago, HooverOutlaw said:

It starts at birth. But as far as LSU boosters I guess they will keep stealing from children's cancer hospitals. 

😂 you always run away from the shit storm you cause with your stupidity. I am sincerely sad for you. You’re either the dumbest mother fucker on earth or the most naive. 
 

Neither are good, Bro.

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