Gospeeder Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 8:03 AM, badrouter said: I'm talking about discourse in general, meaning media, social media, discussion forums and social gatherings. In left-leaning circles, suggesting that ideas and attitudes (often referred to as "culture", but I think use of this word is a mistake) encouraging being violent and using guns have much to do with the frequency of gun violence, is prohibited. For example, we are not allowed to suggest that much of the music with widespread popularity which glamorizes violence-including against women- is a negative but significant influence. We're not allowed to point out the frequency with which urban youth post to social media comments about, and pictures of, guns. Certainly not to point out the fact that this may be evidence of popularity of, and tendency to, rely on guns by people in urban communities. Discussion of these things is prohibited, presumably, because of "the optics" which may harm political campaigns. We're not to "blame the victim", or "sound like we're making right-wing talking points". So, our tribe can't address it *AT ALL* in public discussions. Someone like myself makes the points I make above, and right-wingers applaud. But, ANY talk of the insanity of the amount of guns on the streets, and of the need for *national* laws to curtail the prevalence of guns is prohibited. Absolutely no discussion of tightening gun laws and getting guns out of some people's hands is allowed. Discussion of these things is prohibited, presumably because of "the optics" which may harm political campaigns. We're not to "attack the 2nd amendment", or "sound like we're making leftist talking points". So, our tribe can't address it *AT ALL* in public discussions. What happens in political campaigns is a result of several factors which vary by location. Virtually all of the elections have less than half of the electorate voting in the first place. And, the overwhelming majority of the minority of the electorate actually voting are EXTREMELY low information voters. Even those often not counted as low information voters have an extremely rudimentary understanding of both the candidates and the issues. An absolutely minuscule percentage of voters genuinely understand the candidates and the issues with any sort of accuracy or depth. And all of that helps explain the debased nature of discourse described above. As with virtually everything else relative to our national problems along with other parts of the world, it all gets down to the $$$$. I strongly recommend for everyone on the board ( in fact anyone who really cares about how we live in America ) to get or download a copy of " BLOOD GUN MONEY" by Ioan Grillo. While not as "in depth" several of his U-tube videos are worth a watch. This is not a "left or right" fueled problem but only fed by GREED... and the only way to reduce our gun problem is to actually get involved and really focus on learning the "behind the scenes" activity of deals made in congress. There is not one logical reason why this problem cannot be reduced in a major way while still allowing responsible Americans to have guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Capitalist racism in its very definition was at the core of drafting the constitution. In order to defeat the Brits the union had to stay together. A deal with the devil…. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Capitalist racism in its very definition was at the core of drafting the constitution. In order to defeat the Brits the union had to stay together. A deal with the devil…. bgw What is your proposed solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, badrouter said: What is your proposed solution? Reparations and begin the healing process. bgw 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Reparations and begin the healing process. bgw Who pays and who gets paid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Reparations and begin the healing process. bgw What kind of reparations? How much to each person? For how long? Do we return to "racist capitalism" after? Or something else? What does the something else look like? You should understand none of the above will ever happen without first answering those questions, and in a way our democratic society agrees with. Radicals always fail when they demand we destroy all the things they don't like without offering detailed replacements/alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 How much reparations has @BUFORDGAWOLVES contributed? It’s easy to volunteer someone else’s money, but if you support reparations, you should put your money where your mouth is. I believe there is enough like minded individuals to fund this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 I believe if you owned slaves or own slaves currently, you should have to pay reparations. And if you were a slave, or are a current slave, you shall receive said reparations. everyone else can kindly fuck off 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Who pays and who gets paid? Gee, still stuck on stupid, huh…. Not surprised. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, badrouter said: What kind of reparations? How much to each person? For how long? Do we return to "racist capitalism" after? Or something else? What does the something else look like? You should understand none of the above will ever happen without first answering those questions, and in a way our democratic society agrees with. Radicals always fail when they demand we destroy all the things they don't like without offering detailed replacements/alternatives. Well, going by the Accra Accord in 1996….trillions adjust for inflation. Of course adjust for current valuation. It’s not “rocket science “ Router…. Indigenous natives and incarcerated Japanese Americans received reparations of some sort. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 13 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Who pays and who gets paid? Won’t dignify stupidity but in your case… Hey stupid ass, anything in there , at all? Lol…. NoBalls actually thinks he has an argument. BTW the reparations bill is in the system. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 4 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Well, going by the Accra Accord in 1996….trillions adjust for inflation. Of course adjust for current valuation. It’s not “rocket science “ Router…. Indigenous natives and incarcerated Japanese Americans received reparations of some sort. bgw As they should have. Trigger warning: You've never been a slave. And neither has any living member of your family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, badrouter said: As they should have. Trigger warning: You've never been a slave. And neither has any living member of your family. What fucking difference does it make, what’s right is right and we as a nation calling out others for human rights abuses is bullshit. Fucking vagina. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: What fucking difference does it make, what’s right is right and we as a nation calling out others for human rights abuses is bullshit. Fucking vagina. bgw The human rights violations committed by governments today are the lockdowns, closing of schools etc. Not slavery for black people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, badrouter said: The human rights violations committed by governments today are the lockdowns, closing of schools etc. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinl Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 6 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Indigenous natives and incarcerated Japanese Americans received reparations of some sort. bgw They also dont commit 65% of the violent crime in America. I'm 2% Congo. I want my damn gubmint check!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, rockinl said: They also dont commit 65% of the violent crime in America. I'm 2% Congo. I want my damn gubmint check!! You're a turd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 13 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Won’t dignify stupidity but in your case… Hey stupid ass, anything in there , at all? Lol…. NoBalls actually thinks he has an argument. BTW the reparations bill is in the system. bgw If you can’t answer simple questions like who is paying for it and who gets paid then it sounds like you have no case at all. Just virtue signaling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 hours ago, badrouter said: The human rights violations committed by governments today are the lockdowns, closing of schools etc. Not slavery for black people. You must be lost, disoriented or developmentally delayed. Pick one. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: If you can’t answer simple questions like who is paying for it and who gets paid then it sounds like you have no case at all. Just virtue signaling. I cannot or will I think for those whose sound bytes are of Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 11:03 AM, badrouter said: We're not to "blame the victim", or "sound like we're making right-wing talking points". So, our tribe can't address it *AT ALL* in public discussions. Doesn't this reply count in favor of @badrouter's point? 👇 On 8/4/2021 at 3:00 PM, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Oh shit, didn’t take long for the old “I know of Black folks” diatribe to come shooting out of Klan asses. Fucking morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 7:53 PM, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Reparations and begin the healing process. What if we cut welfare and used that money for reparations? Would that solve the problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 2:09 PM, Atticus Finch said: You're talking about the symptom and not the cause. Symptoms are typically effects of underlying causes. And effects can themselves be causes. If A causes B and B causes C, then B is both an effect and a cause. If we want to avoid C, it often makes more sense to focus on B rather than A. It might be better, all things considered, to focus on moral education rather than (say) implicit bias training or defunding the police or anti-racism education etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Belly Bob said: Doesn't this reply count in favor of @badrouter's point? 👇 I don’t really pay much attention to Router. A good rebuttal is not measured by the number of words. Carry on. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Belly Bob said: What if we cut welfare and used that money for reparations? Would that solve the problem? What if we raze it the ground and start over, maybe go back to Cain and Abel or the Garden of Eve? What if….. hmmmnnn. The US is not lacking, at all…. And it does not have to be at the expense of the taxpayers. bgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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