On2whls Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, World Citizen said: We got work to do building a new and greater inclusive America 18 minutes ago, World Citizen said: 1/3 today willing to throw it all away because their cult leader lost an election So I guess “inclusive” means only those worthy of inclusion to you. Otherwise you dismiss them as cultists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 5:29 PM, badrouter said: School board member votes against resolution honoring the victims on 9/11: Story Why worry about a school board member when we have Congress Republicans who have had a much bigger negative impact with voting NO on everything except more money for the rich. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/nyregion/30zadroga.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/06/29/120-house-republicans-vote-against-bill-to-remove-capitols-confederate-statues/?sh=1e0fb92213b0 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/senate-to-vote-on-s1-for-the-people-act-bill.html https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/62721 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/21-house-republicans-vote-against-awarding-congressional-gold-medal-to-all-police-officers-who-responded-on-jan-6/2021/06/15/1fd17ac2-ce25-11eb-8cd2-4e95230cfac2_story.html I won't list the dozens of times they voted to take away health care from millions (even during a pandemic). No replacement or trying to make it better, just take it away. You could literally grow old reading about all that the Republicans did to not help the country. The system is broken. Our capitalist system is broken and needs to become equitable and sustainable and it currently is not. We can't even figure out how to pay people a living wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, On2whls said: So I guess “inclusive” means only those worthy of inclusion to you. Otherwise you dismiss them as cultists. That was a quote from @dan in daytona. I didn't say that. And where did I say that I wanted to exclude anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, World Citizen said: That was a quote from @dan in daytona. I didn't say that. You didn’t say that, but you did embolden it and referred to it as “golden”. I’ll revise my interpretation to that as one of an empty endorsement. And yes, I must also have misinterpreted that referring to people as cultists is less an isolationist expression and more a term of endearment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 12 hours ago, World Citizen said: Why worry about a school board member when we have Congress Republicans who have had a much bigger negative impact with voting NO on everything except more money for the rich. You sound totally lost. 12 hours ago, World Citizen said: The system is broken. Our capitalist system is broken and needs to become equitable and sustainable and it currently is not. We can't even figure out how to pay people a living wage. Capitalism is not equity....but neither is Communism. There is probably not any ideal form of government around that is (equitable)..... Capitalism pays for hard work, Communism caters to sloth. When it comes to actual government tho, If the Idea is to extract more from the people.... (or just to compete in a world where nations are locked in competition) What form of government do you think is "sustainable" ....you know... In an all out WARRING and competitive globe. 🤔 PS: Your self disdain and hatred for others is showing again...🙄 ...might want to get that checked 👍 BTW: trying to promote Fascism by calling yourself anti-fascist is super stupid....🤪 and that's your OWN fault, not anyone else's either....👌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 8 hours ago, World Citizen said: What is western culture? I think you mean Christianity. So what is your "faith" ??? You present as an Athiest... 8 hours ago, World Citizen said: Maybe you can skip your generalities and explain. Maybe you can't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 11:21 AM, Nolebull813 said: Martin Luther King Jr had a good point about this You would've been turning on the hoses against King if you were alive during his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted September 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 21 hours ago, World Citizen said: Why worry about a school board member when we have Congress Republicans who have had a much bigger negative impact with voting NO on everything except more money for the rich. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/nyregion/30zadroga.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/06/29/120-house-republicans-vote-against-bill-to-remove-capitols-confederate-statues/?sh=1e0fb92213b0 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/senate-to-vote-on-s1-for-the-people-act-bill.html https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/62721 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/21-house-republicans-vote-against-awarding-congressional-gold-medal-to-all-police-officers-who-responded-on-jan-6/2021/06/15/1fd17ac2-ce25-11eb-8cd2-4e95230cfac2_story.html I won't list the dozens of times they voted to take away health care from millions (even during a pandemic). No replacement or trying to make it better, just take it away. You could literally grow old reading about all that the Republicans did to not help the country. The system is broken. Our capitalist system is broken and needs to become equitable and sustainable and it currently is not. We can't even figure out how to pay people a living wage. Because of the power of ideas. In this case, it is the idea that the country must be destroyed because of (insert favorite grievance here). And because “whataboutism” never actually does anyone any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 22 hours ago, On2whls said: You didn’t say that, but you did embolden it and referred to it as “golden”. I’ll revise my interpretation to that as one of an empty endorsement. And yes, I must also have misinterpreted that referring to people as cultists is less an isolationist expression and more a term of endearment. I bolded it bc it is a nice sentiment. Simple. You can revise your interpretation all you want but so far you have been wildly off the mark. You attributed the quote to me which was why I mentioned it. And me having a very low opinion of trump cultist doesn't speak to my views about isolationist nor does it imply endearment (which I'm sure you already know), the implication is straight forward and obvious. I am going to have a low opinion of any group of people who actively want/wanted to destroy our democracy. Country over party/person is the thing. You can assume whatever you want but it is unnecessary when all you have to do is ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 23 hours ago, On2whls said: So I guess “inclusive” means only those worthy of inclusion to you. Otherwise you dismiss them as cultists. What does this mean anyway? Are you asking if I think they should be citizens or worthy to be within my circle of friends? Not otherwise. I dismiss them bc they ARE cultists. they check all the boxes required for a cult. In other words, if it walks like a duck... Like I said, there has always been 1/3 of the country that fight any progress. So if we are to overcome the serious problems facing the country and succeed, that 1/3 will come along but be kicking and screaming every step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, World Citizen said: I dismiss them bc they ARE cultists. they check all the boxes required for a cult Just curious, what are all the boxes required to be officially deemed a cult? 3 hours ago, World Citizen said: Like I said, there has always been 1/3 of the country that fight any progress. So if 2/3 people believe in a concept, it automatically represents progress and they are by default, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: You would've been turning on the hoses against King if you were alive during his time. You are lying on purpose. Never have I given that impression. I have said countless of times that colored folk back in those times had it rough. Today I would only believe a black person that was 60 years or older. I know they lived in a time that was very discriminatory and oppressive. But if you were born in 2002, and you are screaming about oppression that hasn’t existed in half a century, sorry I can’t get on board. I’m not buying what your selling. Minorities have it the best than at any point in recorded history. I don’t buy the guy born in 2002 can’t get a job and contribute to society because his grandparents had it rough 30 years before he was born 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 ^^^^ what’s changed? If it’s so fucking great? bgw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: ^^^^ what’s changed? If it’s so fucking great? bgw A big change would be probably the most obvious that the guy in the top left picture didn’t come here on his own accord. He was brought here by African slave trading Africans. The Haitians are intentionally violating international laws, and the method of apprehending these criminals is via horseback. I would expect nothing more from a race hustling organization like the NAACP to compare actual slaves to willing criminals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: You are lying on purpose. Never have I given that impression. You are a conservative who is openly hostile to any civil rights movement today. Over 60% disapproved of King during his day. There's no doubt that you would've opposed him and/or despised him if you were alive in 1968. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: A big change would be probably the most obvious that the guy in the top left picture didn’t come here on his own accord. He was brought here by African slave trading Africans. The Haitians are intentionally violating international laws, and the method of apprehending these criminals is via horseback. I would expect nothing more from a race hustling organization like the NAACP to compare actual slaves to willing criminals. Calling poor people who are fleeing a humanitarian crisis in their country criminals is obscene. It's why you are unequivocally a piece of shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Calling poor people who are fleeing a humanitarian crisis in their country criminals is obscene. It's why you are unequivocally a piece of shit. That’s a lie. Most of these Haitians were already resettled in another country. They got the green light from this administration that it’s open borders and felt emboldened to break our immigration laws. And it’s dumbfounding that you can actually say with I’m assuming a straight face that these people are facing humanitarian crises, so the only way to assist is to actually create a humanitarian crisis for Americans by taking in thousands to millions of unvetted low skilled immigrants from 3rd world countries to put enormous stress on our public schools, hospitals, law enforcement and government agencies. You are just a liberal socialist cocksucker who hates the country so any situation that is terrible for America you cheerlead on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: That’s a lie. Most of these Haitians were already resettled in another country. They got the green light from this administration that it’s open borders and felt emboldened to break our immigration laws. This is funny. The "greenlight from administration" lie comes in a post where you claim that something is a lie. The border patrol is currently rounding up people like cattle but it's somehow "open borders." The claims that bozos like you make about the border never make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: And it’s dumbfounding that you can actually say with I’m assuming a straight face that these people are facing humanitarian crises, so the only way to assist is to actually create a humanitarian crisis for Americans by taking in thousands to millions of unvetted low skilled immigrants from 3rd world countries to put enormous stress on our public schools, hospitals, law enforcement and government agencies. I never suggested taking them in. I merely called you a piece of shit for your indifference to their plight. And there you go again with "unvetted" even though refugees are thoroughly vetted. I'm convinced that you never read anything about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: You are just a liberal socialist cocksucker who hates the country so any situation that is terrible for America you cheerlead on 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Watch this video and try and refute any facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Watch this video and try and refute any facts It's impressive how clueless you are and how you think posting a video of Tucker Carlson whining about something constitutes "facts." It's pretty simple. The same people claiming that there is a border crisis today *also* said there was a border crisis from January 20th, 2017 to January 20th, 2021. If there was an equal and urgent border crisis then as there is now then nothing that has been done in the last 8 months has *caused* a border crisis. Also, if we had open borders then, by definition, there would be no border crisis since people would just be streaming in as a matter of policy. So since our border facilities are overflowing and these particular Haitians are being *apprehended* then what you and Tucker are saying is false. And since the border situation is the same now as it was, say, a year ago or two years ago then there's nothing new here to report. So was Tucker lying then or is he lying now? You tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: It's impressive how clueless you are and how you think posting a video of Tucker Carlson whining about something constitutes "facts." It's pretty simple. The same people claiming that there is a border crisis today *also* said there was a border crisis from January 20th, 2017 to January 20th, 2021. If there was an equal and urgent border crisis then as there is now then nothing that has been done in the last 8 months has *caused* a border crisis. Also, if we had open borders then, by definition, there would be no border crisis since people would just be streaming in as a matter of policy. So since our border facilities are overflowing and these particular Haitians are being *apprehended* then what you and Tucker are saying is false. And since the border situation is the same now as it was, say, a year ago or two years ago then there's nothing new here to report. So was Tucker lying then or is he lying now? You tell me. That’s why the wall was so important and a hard crackdown on illegal immigration for 4 years. Your side cried that Trumps immigration policies were cruel, but sometimes you have to have peace through strength. Sometimes you have do the dirty work in order to help the masses. There has been a border crisis for decades. But how each administration handles it should be praised or criticized accordingly. Biden has took the open border, anything goes policy and the whole 3rd world hears it loud and clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: That’s why the wall was so important and a hard crackdown on illegal immigration for 4 years. The "hard crackdown" didn't have any affect on the border crisis. In fact all of modern history has proven that hard crackdowns have the *opposite* effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Your side cried that Trumps immigration policies were cruel, but sometimes you have to have peace through strength. They were purposefully cruel and *ineffective.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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