Warrior Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Atticus Finch said: So exactly what I expected: a meaningless world salad of non-action. Warrior: Biden will do nothing! Weakness! (what should he do? Send troops?) Warrior: Not at all! He should lead by....PR game....pipeline.....rabble, rabble, rabble! Reading is elementary not for Finch - I don't know why I attempt to have rational conversations with this idiot - I'll go back to the clown show and just speak his language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Bottom line. As has been demonstrated, there is no action that Biden could take to make the reaction any different from the usual suspects. They wait until an action is taken and then decide from which angle they're going to attack Biden no matter what he does. Following Republican accounts on Twitter has been a riot. They literally have no idea what to do. They are just blasting from all sides without any regard for consistency or truth. Good Puppet Response - well done. Your Star is in the mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 This will make too much sense and go over Finch's head but wtf. HUGO GURDON Whether President Joe Biden is leading from behind on Ukraine or merely lagging behind is an open question. Biden and his administration keep trying to catch up to where others were a month earlier or a day before. By which time, they’re behind again. The president’s vacillation is the result of a generation-long weakening of Washington’s will to lead globally. Some of this comes from the isolationist Right, which wants America to be strong behind its frontiers but uninvolved abroad. But it is more the result of a repudiation of America’s benign strength and singular fitness by radicals who now control the Democratic Party. Biden dare not get out of step with his base. It is a base that rejects America and its traditional role as leader of the free world. If the free world does not have a leader, there will be less freedom. That is the humiliating disaster we are watching as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin successfully challenges a decadeslong order that, however inconsistently, stood up for human rights and national self-determination. When, on Monday, Putin officially recognized two chunks of Ukraine — the so-called Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic — Biden’s nothing-to-see-here line of argument was that Russian armor and troops rolling westward didn’t amount to a "new step" because they were preceded by earlier Russian forces in 2014. The administration’s weak response, having been pummeled by both Republicans and Democrats, collapsed by Tuesday, when the deputy national security adviser accepted that Putin’s action was an "invasion." But by then, the opportunity for America to lead and look strong — to be strong — had been lost. This fits a pattern. When Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for sharp sanctions against Russia, Secretary of State Antony Blinken at first pushed back. He deflected the request by saying sanctions cease to be a deterrent once they are used. That, surely, is untrue. If sanctions are sharp enough to deter in the first place, it is because they are painful when they actually bite. Blinken’s analysis contradicts his own assertion that if "a single additional Russian force goes into Ukraine in an aggressive way, that would trigger a swift, a severe, and a united response from us and from Europe." So, are sanctions useful after the fact or only as a deterrent? Who knows? Apparently not the Biden administration. Having failed the laugh test, administration claims to U.S. and European unity didn’t survive a single news cycle. Italy instantly stepped out of line about severity, saying Russian energy supplies should be exempt from sanctions even though they are Putin’s most important source of funds. Biden unilaterally disarmed in this conflict some time ago by signaling in advance that no American forces would be sent to Ukraine, that Americans stranded there would not be rescued, and that Washington might accommodate a "minor incursion." Democrats and Republicans used to warn the enemy that "nothing is off the table." They didn’t semaphore to him that he need not take threats of severe consequences seriously. Putin, determined to rebuild and command the Soviet sphere of influence to whatever extent possible, has been watching and assessing Washington’s responses to his aggression, found them wanting, and acted accordingly. But why is America faltering? Certainly, our disastrous experience in Iraq and then the debacle of our scuttling exit from Afghanistan strained public support for overseas conflict. But waning support for American involvement in each case was not simply due to the fact that these engagements seemed never to end. Our commitments in Japan and Europe after World War Two lasted longer, and public support never flagged. The differences are many, but two important ones are that those earlier commitments were made when America was surer of itself and its role in the world and that U.S. leaders were able in consequence to articulate a coherent vision of what we were doing. A leader who could state clearly what America stands for and carry conviction could, even now, also carry public opinion with him. That’s not who we have in the White House. The public yearns to recapture the clarity of vision with which this country was once blessed. And it wants political leaders who can express it with conviction and without demur. What we have lost more than anything is united self-belief. It has not been lost inadvertently or accidentally but has, rather, been attacked relentlessly by the Left, which rejects the very idea of America, repudiates its ideals, trashes its reputation, and does not want it to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bormio said: Took all military action off the table, and muttered about sanctions So we should now send troops to Ukraine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: And one cue, concha jumps in to insinuate something that's both untrue and also unsupported by actual argumentation. Just like crime in cities, we just have to believe him! Of course when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 neither Obama nor Biden were President. This also ignores the obvious point that Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was President because he was friendly to Trump and wanted him to win reelection. It's also glaring who the people are that Putin hates (Clinton, Obama, Biden) and which ones he likes (Trump). The Russia-Georgia war occurred three months before the end of the Bush administration. It happened mainly in a couple of separatist regions of Georgia and the initial violence was sparked by separatists (non-Russian, non-Georgian). Russia did not wholesale invade and grab Georgia. In the end, I frankly do not care if you wish to throw in a lame duck Bush with Obama and Biden. I'm curious as to this "friendliness" to Trump, who sanctioned Putin, boldly pushed for a stronger NATO (which offended the American left), was anti-Russian gas to Western Europe, and provided actual defensive armament to the Ukraine. The Trump-as-Putin's-tool is a nice story told in the leftist echo chamber, but one that makes little sense. Little to no beef there. In the end, there was no territory grabbed under Trump, who was supposedly Putin's bitch. Weird, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: So we should now send troops to Ukraine? Send Hunter, He's Joey's inside guy... plus he's an expert 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, concha said: The Russia-Georgia war occurred three months before the end of the Bush administration. concha when informed that his theory is shit and ahistorical scrambles to save face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, concha said: The Russia-Georgia war occurred three months before the end of the Bush administration. It happened mainly in a couple of separatist regions of Georgia and the initial violence was sparked by separatists (non-Russian, non-Georgian). Russia did not wholesale invade and grab Georgia. So you were wrong about this only happening under certain Presidents. I already knew that but thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, concha said: Russia did not wholesale invade and grab Georgia. They're not wholesale invading Ukraine either. The Georgia war was textbook. They used a proxy force of separatists to start hostilities and used it as a pretext to seize territory. Rinse, repeat. But this never happens under Republicans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, concha said: In the end, I frankly do not care if you wish to throw in a lame duck Bush with Obama and Biden. Exactly. When your stupid theories are shot to shit by facts you look for the first off-ramp to equivocate. In most Republicans' cases its to immediately disown George Bush. This is, of course, after 7.5 years of walking in lock-step with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Troll said: Send Hunter, He's Joey's inside guy... plus he's an expert 👍 Wouldn't the inside guy be trumps family members that do business with russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: So we should now send troops to Ukraine? No, but not keep your options open makes things easier for the opponent. The American public may have a hard time understanding why we need to fight for Estonia but not Ukraine. And Putin may misread our weakness now as implying weakness going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, concha said: I'm curious as to this "friendliness" to Trump, who sanctioned Putin, boldly pushed for a stronger NATO (which offended the American left), was anti-Russian gas to Western Europe, and provided actual defensive armament to the Ukraine. You're always clueless about these things. Constantly pretending not to see what's obvious. Trump puts sanctions = strong! Biden puts sanctions = weakness! As was argued before, Trump's "bold moves" in NATO were not to strengthen it but to weaken it. Putin cheered every step of it. Help get Trump elected, have him weaken NATO from within, invade Ukraine to test NATO. Or in other words, Biden's fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Trump was tough on Russia! Why? He put sanctions on them and armed Ukraine! 👇 Didn't turn out to matter but that was tough! Biden sanctions? Weakness! Is there a point here or is this just part of your usual spamming with mental diarrhea? You people try to push a story about Trump being a Putin puppet, but have no answer for him expanding sanctions on Russia, actually providing the Ukraine with weaponry instead of just blankets, pushing for NATO to nut up, and pushing to end the Russia gas deals with Western Europe. Whether you like it or not, Putin obviously felt very comfortable aggressively annexing lands he wanted EXCEPT for when Trump was in office. You think Putin has viewed Joey Applesauce as formidable? 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, FreeBird said: Didn’t think it was possible but your dumber then @DBP66 no one is on your level goodboy....🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, concha said: The Russia-Georgia war occurred three months before the end of the Bush administration. It happened mainly in a couple of separatist regions of Georgia and the initial violence was sparked by separatists (non-Russian, non-Georgian). Russia did not wholesale invade and grab Georgia. In the end, I frankly do not care if you wish to throw in a lame duck Bush with Obama and Biden. I'm curious as to this "friendliness" to Trump, who sanctioned Putin, boldly pushed for a stronger NATO (which offended the American left), was anti-Russian gas to Western Europe, and provided actual defensive armament to the Ukraine. The Trump-as-Putin's-tool is a nice story told in the leftist echo chamber, but one that makes little sense. Little to no beef there. In the end, there was no territory grabbed under Trump, who was supposedly Putin's bitch. Weird, huh? Putin was not sure what Trump would do - which is what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, concha said: The Trump-as-Putin's-tool is a nice story told in the leftist echo chamber, but one that makes little sense. Little to no beef there. Trump as Putin's tool is an obvious and verifiable fact. Putin hated Hillary, Obama, etc. He wanted a change agent that was going to upset the NATO apple cart in a way that would weaken opposition to him. That's exactly what happened and now concha is scrambling to explain it while never changing his predisposed position. Spoiler alert: He's struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, FreeBird said: U thought I was GSB so right off that bat. I assume your special needs That was my bad...I thought you were GSB at first...but you're way too dumb and don't post silly memes...goodboy...🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: concha when informed that his theory is shit and ahistorical scrambles to save face. There ar many differences with what happened in the Georgia conflict. You should know that. But run with your narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, concha said: In the end, there was no territory grabbed under Trump, who was supposedly Putin's bitch. Weird, huh? Again, not weird. Exactly the point. It's interesting how when something like 9/11 happened, the concha's of the day blamed the previous administration, not the one in power. Fast forward to today and the concha's of the day are.....blaming the current administration. Who could've imagined!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bormio said: No, So you're just posturing as usual. Shocked! Said nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, concha said: Is there a point here or is this just part of your usual spamming with mental diarrhea? You spent years telling us that our eyes were deceiving us. That Putin wasn't playing Trump like a fiddle. You spent years telling us that sanctions were a display of toughness. Putin invades Ukraine, Trump lauds him and you're now scrambling to make it come right for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, concha said: Is there a point here or is this just part of your usual spamming with mental diarrhea? You people try to push a story about Trump being a Putin puppet, but have no answer for him expanding sanctions on Russia, actually providing the Ukraine with weaponry instead of just blankets, pushing for NATO to nut up, and pushing to end the Russia gas deals with Western Europe. Whether you like it or not, Putin obviously felt very comfortable aggressively annexing lands he wanted EXCEPT for when Trump was in office. You think Putin has viewed Joey Applesauce as formidable? 🤡 and asking if Mother Russia can get back into the G8 on behalf of his Master??..or his Helsinki speech??....what a good puppet he was...and don't forget he "fell in love " with his crazy North Korean buddy!...we see how good that went!...🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bormio said: Putin was not sure what Trump would do - which is what you want. This is among the grab bag of desperate explanations that Republicans are trying to float. When, in fact, he knew exactly what Trump would do. Sow division and discord among NATO allies and be glowing in his praise for Putin. Conservative Twitter is a riot right now. A collection of concha's who are completely lost as to what to say/do right now. So it's just as scattershot as you'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Ga96 said: Wouldn't the inside guy be trumps family members that do business with russia? Probably...as it seems pretty clear 💡 T has better diplomatic and working relations with them Ruskies and Joey is buddies with China (and Ukraine, most likely at the behest of China) So who is a bigger threat to the actual USA ??? 🤔 PS: Not really a shocker Putin makes his moves to rebuild Russia under Joey's, and not T's watch... BTW: Maybe if Joey didn't abandon all all that military gear in the mid-east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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