Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: What's your point? Is there some other team in the country whose big wins didn't come against teams who lost inside or outside their own state playoffs? It's a strange criterion you're appealing to here. The point is you all can kindly stop talking about them in every got damn thread! They are not an SEC team playing an SEC schedule. They accomplished nothing that other schools didn't....beat an opponent. Is that clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Horsefly said: The point is you all can kindly stop talking about them in every got damn thread! They are not an SEC team playing an SEC schedule. They accomplished nothing that other schools didn't....beat an opponent. Is that clear? But they went undefeated in the Trinity League and in the CIF SS-D1 playoffs. And they beat two state champions. And they are the no 1 ranked team in every single major poll. So it's pretty clear that they have accomplished something that no other team has this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: The problem here is that the lack of relevant OOS games makes it difficult to truly gauge the competition level in Georgia. Same problem with the devil. CQ lost to Brookwood and Tift. For all we know those teams may not be any better than Pittsburg. I think AHP is better vetted due to playing Top Florida competition. IF CQ beats North Gwinett too, then they would earn the benefit of the doubt. Grayson beat both Hoover and JC, and JC in LA. That gives you something, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: But they went undefeated in the Trinity League and in the CIF SS-D1 playoffs. And they beat two state champions. And they are the no 1 ranked team in every single major poll. So it's pretty clear that they have accomplished something that no other team has this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: But they went undefeated in the Trinity League and in the CIF SS-D1 playoffs. And they beat two state champions. And they are the no 1 ranked team in every single major poll. So it's pretty clear that they have accomplished something that no other team has this year. What they did in the trinity league is irrelevant, as no OOS teams play there. Of the OOS state champs they beat, other OOS teams beat those same teams. There were no unprecedented OOS wins. They can crown them MNC, but they didn't do anything spectacular. They didn't EARN that title...it was GIVEN to them and it should be revered as the GIFT it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: They can crown them MNC, but they didn't do anything spectacular. They didn't EARN that title...it was GIVEN to them and it should be revered as the GIFT it is. Just like Allen was given the MNC in 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Grayson beat both Hoover and JC, and JC in LA. That gives you something, doesn't it? Yes that would help us gauge Grayson, but Collquit did not play Grayson. When you get twice removed games, at different points in the season, there are too many variables to account for. But if CQ beats North Gwinnett , then they will have two wins over teams that beat Grayson which would solidify their case. Basically, CQ can be ranked in either Tier 3 or 4 right now. But every other GA team I put in Tier 3 or higher proceeded to lose, which hurts the credibility of the state, so I decided to wait and let the game play out on Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Grayson beat both Hoover and JC, and JC in LA. That gives you something, doesn't it? That's Grayson, you all R humping MD and their greatness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Just like Allen was given the MNC in 2013 But Allen was gifted the MNC by only 2 major polls. 4 others (PN, USAT, MP, and CP) gifted it to someone else. If MD beats DLS -- and they will -- it will be the first time that so many major polls have all agreed on the MNC. More reason to keep talking about MD's 2017 team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Just like Allen was given the MNC in 2013 Exactly, and you didn't see me or really any Texan running around talking about their greatness and being a team of the decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Belly Bob said: But Allen was gifted the MNC by only 2 major polls. 4 others (PN, USAT, MP, and CP) gifted it to someone else. If MD beats DLS -- and they will -- it will be the first time that so many major polls have all agreed on the MNC. More reason to keep talking about MD's 2017 team. You and your three brethren can talk right on. have fun...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: Exactly, and you didn't see me or really any Texan running around talking about their greatness and being a team of the decade You Texans are laying low in the weeds on that one, because of the controversy surrounding the award to Allen over SJB. AS Belly Bob put is so succintly above, all 5 major polls agree that Mater Dei has a Once in a Generation Team in 2017 and will recognize MD as such by awarding an unprecedented Unanimous MNC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Basically, CQ can be ranked in either Tier 3 or 4 right now. But every other GA team I put in Tier 3 or higher proceeded to lose, which hurts the credibility of the state, so I decided to wait and let the game play out on Friday And who the "fork" beat them? Uh...that Tier 5 team !!!!! Rufus>> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, Horsefly said: What they did in the trinity league is irrelevant, as no OOS teams play there. Of the OOS state champs they beat, other OOS teams beat those same teams. There were no unprecedented OOS wins. They can crown them MNC, but they didn't do anything spectacular. They didn't EARN that title...it was GIVEN to them and it should be revered as the GIFT it is. But none of this changes the fact that... MD beat SJB twice, something that no other team did this year that... MD beat SJB by more points than any other team did this year that... MD beat two state champs, something that no other team has done this year and that... MD beat those state champs by more points than any other team did this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 43 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: But none of this changes the fact that... MD beat SJB twice, something that no other team did this year that... MD beat SJB by more points than any other team did this year that... MD beat two state champs, something that no other team has done this year and that... MD beat those state champs by more points than any other team did this year MD played no team from a power state...not one the SJB win is only impressive to you CA guys. They lost to one of the worst STA teams in decades. Again, they accomplished SOMETHING, it just wasn't spectacular. There are other teams that have beaten two state champs... IMG when it's all said and done may get credit for 4: Miami northwestern, chandler, Venice and Hoover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Rufus69 said: Rab....you're part of the problem. We can't blame all this on Sammy when you will not acknowledge that Colquitt is Tier 5. We ain't nothing but a bunch of poor, tiny, little undersized Hawgs. (not as inexperienced as we used to be) Sure...we beat No.2 seed Pebblebrook at their place 230 miles from home....and yes...we did defeat 11-0 Walton at their house in Metro ATL around 240 miles from Colquitt...and Uh HUH...we did it to 12-0 Archer in the Tiger Dome on the road when ALL the gurus said it couldn't be done...and finally...we went into Brookwood and soundly beat the Broncos and their PERFECT coach in the Land of the Lost. But if you look at the odds of us traveling (one more time) to the ATL and having to line up and play them MONSTERS from North Gwinnett...well, the computers can't even be programmed for numbers that big. Loren Maxwell will have us double-digit losers. Hair On Fire will write a song about it...(Smile). Lowndes will scream...it should have been us !!!! And Valdosta will say...we need a dual threat Quarterback. And while I'm at it...if Buddha were to waive his hand...and the stars were to align just right...and the "stripers" were to cheat...and Colquitt actually won the AAAAAAA State Championship....then Rome better go to represent Georgia in any National game...cause we all know how GOOD they are. We're Tier 5, baby. We're Tier 5. Rufus>> One could say that North Gwinnett is the big bad wolf and Colquitt the three little pigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: One still has to wonder how losses to teams not rated in these tiers has anything to do with deciding whether a team could stay within a certain number of points of the teams on the next tier up. Especially when these teams share common opponents. The tiers are goofy as (censored). Certainly nothing more than a really good troll attempt. All data points are considered when placing teams on the Tiers. The Tiers are a much better barometer of a teams ability relative to other teams, than the highly flawed polls. Anything dealing with high school kids, has high volatility hence the weekly changes in the Tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said: All data points are considered when placing teams on the Tiers. The Tiers are a much better barometer of a teams ability relative to other teams, than the highly flawed polls. Anything dealing with high school kids, has high volatility hence the weekly changes in the Tiers. So basically like we discovered weeks ago already... You twist and switch the criteria for each team differently and the stand on the blocks of whichever data point you prefer in the debate. Just pointing that out to the other fair and fine posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: So basically like we discovered weeks ago already... You twist and switch the criteria for each team differently and the stand on the blocks of whichever data point you prefer in the debate. Just pointing that out to the other fair and fine posters. You and @Nolebull813 have plenty of complaints of a general basis, but have yet to specify even one team that you feel is on the wrong tier, and back it up with data of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 50 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: Basically, CQ can be ranked in either Tier 3 or 4 right now. But every other GA team I put in Tier 3 or higher proceeded to lose, which hurts the credibility of the state, so I decided to wait and let the game play out on Friday And who the "fork" beat them? Uh...that Tier 5 team !!!!! Rufus>> Which is why North Gwinnett should be tier 3 or 2 right now. Colquitt 4 or 5 is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: You and @Nolebull813 have plenty of complaints of a general basis, but have yet to specify even one team that you feel is on the wrong tier, and back it up with data of your own. Because not one person aside from you knows wtf data applies. Tyvm. We ask and get some other argument with every team we question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Which is why North Gwinnett should be tier 3 or 2 right now. Colquitt 4 or 5 is fine. After further consideration, North Gwinett has been moved up to Tier 3. Like it is stated. The Tiers are crowd sourced and are open to critical analysis from posters closer to the various regions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Because not one person aside from you knows wtf data applies. Tyvm. We ask and get some other argument with every team we question. You don't get argument, you get a spirited debate which forces both parties to justify their point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Dart Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: He's grasping at straws at this point. There is not a chance that anyone in Texas will concede that MD has a OIAG team in 2017, and would roll any team from Texas from any year. The overwhelming majority of Texas HS football fans have no idea who MD is. Anyway, comparing a private with no attendance boundary to a Texas public is a fool's errand. Oranges and Apples... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Yard Dart said: The overwhelming majority of Texas HS football fans have no idea who MD is. Anyway, comparing a private with no attendance boundary to a Texas public is a fool's errand. Oranges and Apples... The Majority of HS football fans in Texas never heard of DLS either. Having your head up your HS Football *ass from a national perspective is a problem in the Lone Star State. No question, the State as a whole has the best High School football in America, but there are teams in other states that are better than Top Texas teams in some years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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