concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, stanscript said: Concha makes a common right-wing “mistake” on statistics. Because men are generally responsible for mass killings it is still not correct to just count black men, white men, Hispanic men, etc. If black men make up 7% of the population, then black women need to be included. Blacks make up 14% of the population. So to compare total black, white and/or Hispanic crime, it is necessary to use each of their total population, both men and women to the total crime. If you just want to compare men, then 7% of black men compared to 50% of the male population is 14% not 7%. I didn't make any damn "mistake". DD was pointing at white males. I pointed out that males perpetrate nearly all mass killings. If you look at only white males, then when looking at other races just use males of that race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Won't be enough. There is absolutely no answer. Never will be an answer. Been happening since 1840 Really? You really can't figure out the ansewer? I can't believe some of the comments in this tnread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Horsefly said: I dönt think it's an infallible document written in stone by God. It’s not. Hence the cool method the founders put in place to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: Where were his parents,.....where all those who saw the signals this kid gave and why didn't other kids,who knew he was sick and those in authority....Where were school officials who also had signals he was nuts. ???? WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS AND RELATIVES!......Neighbors???? This is about a lack luster,secular and selfish society that has put God on the back burners of life..... Where are the men that will stand up to the NRA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, concha said: And, of course, that just advertises your ignorance (and/or that you simply have agenda). Graphs are meaningless unless you read BOTH axes. That was the ONLY point I was making and made the last time. My only point has been white males commit more of these type of crimes and they are overall at critical levels. But you with an agenda were the one that posted this chart to bring attention to races as a percent of population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, noonereal said: Where are the men that will stand up to the NRA? Where the men who will stop crying long enough to put in the actual effort required to change the 2A? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, concha said: I didn't make any damn "mistake". DD was pointing at white males. I pointed out that males perpetrate nearly all mass killings. If you look at only white males, then when looking at other races just use males of that race. I stand by my statement. When comparing males to total crime, it doubles the rate. So, pick some group that you don’t like and compare just the males and the crime rate for that group will go thru the roof. If Blacks commit 16% of the crimes and Blacks comprise 14% of the population, that doesn’t look so bad. If Blacks commit 16% of the crimes and Black men comprise only 7% of the population, that looks bad. That’s why you said Black men, not simply Blacks. It’s a very come right-wing ploy. I’ve seen it before. It’s misleading and dishonest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, Horsefly said: That was the ONLY point I was making and made the last time. My only point has been white males commit more of these type of crimes and they are overall at critical levels. But you with an agenda were the one that posted this chart to bring attention to races as a percent of population. "In place where most folks are white, most crimes committed by whites". Thanks for that earth-shattering insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, stanscript said: I stand by my statement. When comparing males to total crime, it doubles the rate. So, pick some group that you don’t like and compare just the males and the crime rate for that group will go thru the roof. If Blacks commit 16% of the crimes and Blacks comprise 14% of the population, that doesn’t look so bad. If Blacks commit 16% of the crimes and Black men comprise only 7% of the population, that looks bad. That’s why you said Black men, not simply Blacks. It’s a very come right-wing ploy. I’ve seen it before. It’s misleading and dishonest. You shouldn't. You apparently missed the part where DD used white males alone (31% of blah blah blah). That was before I addressed males only. Oooops. I was simply comparing apples-to-apples. No "ploy". LMAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 If this was anyone else doing this every 3 months it would be an uproar like with the opioid problem. This isn't funny and if you are not willing to face the main source of this guns and white males in Chicago it's guns and black males. Then both will continue to happen. Praying doesn't work the people in San Antonio was in a church and were slaughtered. Guns are a damn problem. Will giving us more opiods help the problem. Before some fool mentions gun laws in Chicago. Hit the Kennedy and head South let me know how long it takes to hit Indiana. And get what you want. Like driving from New Mexico to Colorado for weed. You love castigating Chicago but neglect your own problems. I don't need a fucking chart to know whose doing this and you don't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, concha said: "In place where most folks are white, most crimes committed by whites". Thanks for that earth-shattering insight. The point was fairly simple but you were the one that went hysterical this time and last and made a bigger deal out of it than necessary with your not relevant point and unnecessary charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, DevilDog said: I don't need a fucking chart A good thing since you keep proving you can't read them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: The point was fairly simple but you were the one that went hysterical this time and last and made a bigger deal out of it than necessary with your not relevant point and unnecessary charts. Ignorance is a problem. I try to help people solve theirs. If you are happy in your ignorance, then super. Enjoy. What's your next great insight? "More Yankees fans in NYC than Red Sox fans"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, concha said: Ignorance is a problem. I try to help people solve theirs. If you are happy in your ignorance, then super. Enjoy. What's your next great insight? "More Yankees fans in NYC than Red Sox fans"? Oh stop the bullshit. We told your ass before we weren't talking about per capita and you dug in and posted the charts anyway and whined about a point no one was making. it was an innocuous observation until Concha got butt hurt and wanted to make a statement and drag it on and on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I don't know what is going on info concha's personal life but he is acting out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, Horsefly said: Oh stop the bullshit. We told your ass before we weren't talking about per capita and you dug in and posted the charts anyway and whined about a point no one was making. it was an innocuous observation until Concha got butt hurt and wanted to make a statement and drag it on and on... What is the effing point of NOT talking per capita? And save me the "innocuous" schpiel. Certain clowns wanted to mass shootings a white issue. And did not like it that, in fact, a white man is no more likely to be a mass shooter than a black guy is. Well, tough shit. That's the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: I don't know what is going on info concha's personal life but he is acting out here. He's tunneled vision and doesn't stand back and observe. Everything doesn't need to be defended and sometimes can't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: He's tunneled vision and doesn't stand back and observe. Everything doesn't need to be defended and sometimes can't be. Truth does need to be defended. And can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 https://bossip.com/698648/race-matters-study-claims-white-men-are-more-likely-to-commit-mass-murders-than-blacks-or-any-other-racial-group/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, concha said: What is the effing point of NOT talking per capita? And save me the "innocuous" schpiel. Certain clowns wanted to mass shootings a white issue. And did not like it that, in fact, a white man is no more likely to be a mass shooter than a black guy is. Well, tough shit. That's the truth. Because we were the ones that made the point, you don't change the narrative to suit your purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: He's tunneled vision and doesn't stand back and observe. Everything doesn't need to be defended and sometimes can't be. Honest, I think he is having an "event." I honestly feel bad for him. I hope things turn for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, concha said: Truth does need to be defended. And can. And the truth we were making was that whites commit more of theses crimes. And these crimes (mass shootings) are so egregious we need to do something as a country. That's really the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Because we were the ones that made the point, you don't change the narrative to suit your purposes. So on a public board, if you make a stupid, agenda-driven "point", it should just be accepted and not corrected. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun58 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 42 minutes ago, noonereal said: Where are the men that will stand up to the NRA? I'm NRA.Get informed before you blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Horsefly said: And the truth we were making was that whites commit more of theses crimes. And these crimes (mass shootings) are so egregious we need to do something as a country. That's really the point. If a white guy is no more likely to commit a mass killing than a black guy (fact), then the only real reason to bring up a specific skin color is racism. Congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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