whiteshoes Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 I noted that they had to forfeit their first four wins of the year but thought they had things ironed out after the win over previously unbeaten Capistrano Valley. However, a 21-20 loss to San Clemente. What is going on out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 They went from having the winningest coach in Orange County history to a rookie HC in his 30s. No time for the panic button. San Clam is a D1 playoff team. Shit happens. It was a 1 point loss resulting in their first 2nd place league finish since 2008. MV is still a lock for the playoffs. It's not like MV lost to a lousy team or a lower division power like Villa Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 If this was GA or TX we would be hearing How much depth their state has and any team can beat another because of that depth.Here in California we will just call it what it is ...a game MV should have won.First loss this century to San Clemente I believe 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Was it 2007 when they tied? Was that the year the refs gave the MV WR a TD when he dropped the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 MV is gifted a top 25 spots during the season more than any other team in the country. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: MV is gifted a top 25 spots during the season more than any other team in the country. That's usually because they have talent and beat everybody until the D1 semis. That includes teams with pulses they defeat. Unlike Folsom whose played fewer games since 2004 vs DLS than MV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, bigrobstercraws said: That's usually because they have talent and beat everybody until the D1 semis. That includes teams with pulses they defeat. Teams with pulses? MV’s schedule is primarily made up of tomato cans EVERY year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extremely Humble Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, bigrobstercraws said: They went from having the winningest coach in Orange County history to a rookie HC in his 30s. No time for the panic button. San Clam is a D1 playoff team. Shit happens. It was a 1 point loss resulting in their first 2nd place league finish since 2008. MV is still a lock for the playoffs. It's not like MV lost to a lousy team or a lower division power like Villa Park. Let’s move this to the excuse thread. Inexcusable loss for a team that is clearly not top 25 material. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: Teams with pulses? MV’s schedule is primarily made up of tomato cans EVERY year. LMAO I'm sure Trinity League teams are tomato cans. Riiiiight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Extremely Humble said: Let’s move this to the excuse thread. Inexcusable loss for a team that is clearly not top 25 material. Another ridiculous comment from the Folsom peanut gallery. Smdh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 MV has no actual wins of consequence. And now they have a loss. The massive exposure teams in the L.A./OC metro area receive has led to a huge advantage in national rankings. The state (and now Southern California darling by way of so many match ups with SoCal teams, Bishop Gorman...) is loaded with teams with multiple losses and even BLOWOUT losses and yet they remain ranked ahead of dominant, unbeaten teams from other power states. Simply put, there is an error(s) in how teams from LA/OC are ranked. People have just decided they are going to be highly ranked regardless of what happens on the field. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 One additional possible explanation for the rankings problem: Folks used to watching a lot of NFL and college football really believe strongly in the importance of QB play. OK, fair enough. All things being equal, the team with better QB play does win. But, HS football is different in that quality of play in the trenches and team athleticism tend to vary MUCH more at the HS level. You can have a stud QB look impressive, but as soon as his team faces a team(s) that dominate them up front and are significantly more athletic, that QB gets wiped out. Rules designed to create parity are much more consequential in the NFL and college football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, Extremely Humble said: Let’s move this to the excuse thread. Inexcusable loss for a team that is clearly not top 25 material. I thought they'd win by 17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrobstercraws Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, badrouter said: MV has no actual wins of consequence. And now they have a loss. The massive exposure teams in the L.A./OC metro area receive has led to a huge advantage in national rankings. The state (and now Southern California darling by way of so many match ups with SoCal teams, Bishop Gorman...) is loaded with teams with multiple losses and even BLOWOUT losses and yet they remain ranked ahead of dominant, unbeaten teams from other power states. Simply put, there is an error(s) in how teams from LA/OC are ranked. People have just decided they are going to be highly ranked regardless of what happens on the field. So your "logic" is OC teams beating each other "proves" they're overrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, bigrobstercraws said: So your "logic" is OC teams beating each other "proves" they're overrated? What I'm saying is they haven't done enough to ensure their consistently prominent place towards the top of the national rankings. They start highly ranked and even if they have four losses in nine games-two of which that would qualify as running clock losses in many states-they STILL stay highly ranked. NOTHING can happen to knock them down. In many states, a loss does more to knock the losing team down. In LA/OC, the loss does more to prop the winning team up. OLU has been "running-clocked" twice and the only conclusion being drawn is that the teams forcing the running clock are really good. Nobody is saying "Damn, OLU got their ass beat again? Maybe they aren't top 100". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 A tremor in The Tiers, I feel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Ararar said: If this was GA or TX we would be hearing How much depth their state has and any team can beat another because of that depth.Here in California we will just call it what it is ...a game MV should have won.First loss this century to San Clemente I believe Education(continuing) is a necessary requisite here and you should not complain, not a good look. Regards, AllKnowingAsshole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: A tremor in The Tiers, I feel San Clemente jumping that high? 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, dntn31 said: San Clemente jumping that high? 😆 I assumed you were joking, but, then I thought back on how this seems to go. And, now I'm not so sure lol. To be fair San Clemente is nicer than MV if you love the ocean like I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, badrouter said: I assumed you were joking, but, then I thought back on how this seems to go. And, now I'm not so sure lol. To be fair San Clemente is nicer than MV if you love the ocean like I do. I agree, lived there for 7 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, badrouter said: MV has no actual wins of consequence. And now they have a loss. The massive exposure teams in the L.A./OC metro area receive has led to a huge advantage in national rankings. The state (and now Southern California darling by way of so many match ups with SoCal teams, Bishop Gorman...) is loaded with teams with multiple losses and even BLOWOUT losses and yet they remain ranked ahead of dominant, unbeaten teams from other power states. Simply put, there is an error(s) in how teams from LA/OC are ranked. People have just decided they are going to be highly ranked regardless of what happens on the field. Examples please. This is a national forum, you cain't just spout BS with out citing a source or example. "C" game material 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 hours ago, whiteshoes said: I noted that they had to forfeit their first four wins of the year but thought they had things ironed out after the win over previously unbeaten Capistrano Valley. However, a 21-20 loss to San Clemente. What is going on out there? On the one hand you have a San Clemente team that had some early OOL losses to a few of the San Diego sections better teams and the game vs MV really meant salvaging the season. On the other hand you had a MV team that after the announcement of the forfeitures has looked deflated. San Clemente rose to the occasion and a swaggerless MV couldn’t muster their normal degree of intensity. Football, after all has a pychological component to it, and MV looks to be on an emotional downswing. We’ll find out a lot about how their new coach guides them through adversity as the playoffs approach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, bigrobstercraws said: LMAO I'm sure Trinity League teams are tomato cans. Riiiiight In the regular season MV played SM in 15 and 16 than Orange Lutheran in 17. So yes, they play tomato cans of the trinity league. Why doesn’t MV play MD or SJB ever in regular season ? Or even corona centennial ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, badrouter said: What I'm saying is they haven't done enough to ensure their consistently prominent place towards the top of the national rankings. They start highly ranked and even if they have four losses in nine games-two of which that would qualify as running clock losses in many states-they STILL stay highly ranked. NOTHING can happen to knock them down. In many states, a loss does more to knock the losing team down. In LA/OC, the loss does more to prop the winning team up. OLU has been "running-clocked" twice and the only conclusion being drawn is that the teams forcing the running clock are really good. Nobody is saying "Damn, OLU got their ass beat again? Maybe they aren't top 100". Pretty much on point, but, some folks are saying "Damn, OLU got their ass beat again?!" Obviously just not the right folks. OLU is gifted a ranking pre-season due to talent and league, then their big claim to fame is being beat up material for the real teams in their league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, badrouter said: What I'm saying is they haven't done enough to ensure their consistently prominent place towards the top of the national rankings Preach brotha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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