Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Bodysurf said: MV and Cen10 won coin flips. It’s the stupid way CIF determines home field in the case where both teams had home games the previous round. this is the 3rd year in a row that MD has played MV in the semifinals and all 3 years MD has lost the coin flip and had to travel to MV. I disagree. No team should get to be the home team in every playoff game. Playoffs are about overcoming adversity. Each team should have to deal with hostile environments at least once during the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Very true. But when similar outcomes happen to a team outside of Cali (like Lakeland), Sammy drops them in his tiers like a bad habit. His hypocrisy is the culprit. Only because the other teams did not have relevant other wins they could point to. (Like Lakeland). Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasball Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: I don't understand all the negative takes on SJB, by OOS posters on this board. SJB was preseason #1 in several polls, rolled their preleague schedule which included 5 high profile relevant OOS opponents, then played Mater Dei closer than any other team, including the 200 5* guys SFA. So why do guys think SJB is over rated in Tier 1 and beatable by multiple Texas teams, etc. I don't get it at all. It's real simple ---They have proven to be beatable. The 5 high profile games you speak of didn't really help because they all have suffered multiple defeats. Liberty NV - Played five OOS games and lost all of them - They about to take sixth L after BG Good Counsel - has been beat 2 other times - If they beat SJC this week - It will not change most people opinion as it's the 2nd time they have played and SJC won the first go round. Dematha - beat twice by SJC and other loses - No big wins except they did beat Good Counsel and got beat by SJC twice DBP - Has been beat 3 other times - They started the season losing every meaningful game. Looking much better now. I think it's fare to say that DBP has improved over the year. obviously was not playing good early in the season when SJB put beat down on them Mililani - has been beat 3 other times Winning oos doesn't mean near as much when those teams get beat several other times I think most people believe SJB is very good team---However, to say they are beatable by others not just Texas is fare statement. You had home game vs MD and SFA traveled across the country and then had to play late game on the west coast - I don't believe that is near even comparison to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: I disagree. No team should get to be the home team in every playoff game. Playoffs are about overcoming adversity. Each team should have to deal with hostile environments at least once during the playoffs. I am not saying they should. MV and Cen10 get to be the home team for both of their games. Number 1 and 2 seeds need to travel. Both MV and Cen10 had home games last week, just like MD and Bosco. Given this, doesn't it makes sense that the higher seed gets the home game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Texasball said: It's real simple ---They have proven to be beatable. The 5 high profile games you speak of didn't really help because they all have suffered multiple defeats. Liberty NV - Played five OOS games and lost all of them - They about to take sixth L after BG Good Counsel - has been beat 2 other times - If they beat SJC this week - It will not change most people opinion as it's the 2nd time they have played and SJC won the first go round. Dematha - beat twice by SJC and other loses - No big wins except they did beat Good Counsel and got beat by SJC twice DBP - Has been beat 3 other times - They started the season losing every meaningful game. Looking much better now. I think it's fare to say that DBP has improved over the year. obviously was not playing good early in the season when SJB put beat down on them Mililani - has been beat 3 other times Winning oos doesn't mean near as much when those teams get beat several other times I think most people believe SJB is very good team---However, to say they are beatable by others not just Texas is fare statement. You had home game vs MD and SFA traveled across the country and then had to play late game on the west coast - I don't believe that is near even comparison to make. I agree that people put too much emphasis on OOS games. Who cares if the opponent is not good. Bosco pre league schedule had 2 games against nationally relevant teams in GC and Dematha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: I am not saying they should. MV and Cen10 get to be the home team for both of their games. Number 1 and 2 seeds need to travel. Both MV and Cen10 had home games last week, just like MD and Bosco. Given this, doesn't it makes sense that the higher seed gets the home game? Happened all the time in the old format. Hold on. I'll call for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Texasball said: It's real simple ---They have proven to be beatable. The 5 high profile games you speak of didn't really help because they all have suffered multiple defeats. Liberty NV - Played five OOS games and lost all of them - They about to take sixth L after BG Good Counsel - has been beat 2 other times - If they beat SJC this week - It will not change most people opinion as it's the 2nd time they have played and SJC won the first go round. Dematha - beat twice by SJC and other loses - No big wins except they did beat Good Counsel and got beat by SJC twice DBP - Has been beat 3 other times - They started the season losing every meaningful game. Looking much better now. I think it's fare to say that DBP has improved over the year. obviously was not playing good early in the season when SJB put beat down on them Mililani - has been beat 3 other times Winning oos doesn't mean near as much when those teams get beat several other times I think most people believe SJB is very good team---However, to say they are beatable by others not just Texas is fare statement. You had home game vs MD and SFA traveled across the country and then had to play late game on the west coast - I don't believe that is near even comparison to make. You neglected to add that most if not all the losses by those teams were to Top 50 or otherwise elite programs. Not all losses are equal. Don't be so cavalier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Coin flips in Semi final and final rounds Typical SoCal. In NorCal the games are played at the higher seeds place, until the finals. Finals are at a neutral place. Get with it SoCal! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, AztecPadre said: In NorCal the games are played at the higher seeds place, until the finals. Finals are at a neutral place. The NFL seems to be comfortable with this as well. Then again, the NFL also seems to fuck up coin flips, so I can see why they may go this route. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasball Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: You neglected to add that most if not all the losses by those teams were to Top 50 or otherwise elite programs. Not all losses are equal. Don't be so cavalier. That only matters if you actually believe in the bogus rankings. I am not sold on these teams being so highly ranked! Not one damn team besides MD on SJB schedule is any better than SJC. SJC has wins over all of them and also beat team that DBP got beat by. - They are sloppy and poorly coached and they just keep winning. The rankings will tell you that IMG is really good team...This is not elite football team this year! You base too much on what the rankings thought - Don't be lazy like you claim everyone else is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Playoffs are about overcoming adversity. Playoffs are about determining a champion. Where did you come with this overcoming adversity nonsense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Texasball said: Not one damn team besides MD on SJB schedule is any better than SJC. You started off by claiming that beating teams with multiple losses "doesn't really help" the resume. 2 hours ago, Texasball said: The 5 high profile games you speak of didn't really help because they all have suffered multiple defeats. But that contradicts the narrative you've been trying to write about SJC. Namely that they're just as good as everybody else. They have multiple losses though. So which is it? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: I don't understand all the negative takes on SJB, by OOS posters on this board. SJB was preseason #1 in several polls, rolled their preleague schedule which included 5 high profile relevant OOS opponents, then played Mater Dei closer than any other team, including the 200 5* guys SFA. So why do guys think SJB is over rated in Tier 1 and beatable by multiple Texas teams, etc. I don't get it at all. Your problem is putting other teams on MD’s tier MD should stand alone you justifiably feel like they are the same tier, at least, as SFA, DV, etc but they have more direct objectionable data points to say that they are a tier away from the top as @hardhit1 says, no one has annissue with them being #2-5, but they’re clearly not on MD’s level based on season to date whereas it’s a bit more ambiguous for DV 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Bodysurf said: MV and Cen10 get to be the home team for both of their games. Number 1 and 2 seeds need to travel. Both MV and Cen10 had home games last week, just like MD and Bosco. Given this, doesn't it makes sense that the higher seed gets the home game? As a higher seed, Cen10 has had to travel numerous times in the playoffs. Doesn’t seem right, but it’s the system we currently have. Given the disparity in capability that the top 3 have had (and all that goes into that), it really hasn’t hurt any of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyjames Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, On2whls said: As a higher seed, Cen10 has had to travel numerous times in the playoffs. Doesn’t seem right, but it’s the system we currently have. Given the disparity in capability that the top 3 have had (and all that goes into that), it really hasn’t hurt any of them. You are not HONESTLY going to talk about Cen10 having to travel are you? The fact that you mentioned it at all is completely laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, frankyjames said: You are not HONESTLY going to talk about Cen10 having to travel are you? The fact that you mentioned it at all is completely laughable. Choosing to travel for OOL games versus playoff travel are two completely different situations. Are you really that slow? I feel sorry for you. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Big YAWN. Cali is played and predictable. It will be MD over DLS. Just stop with the SJB nonsense. Cali has 3 great teams. Then there's a massive drop off. There's also big gaps between 1(MD), 2(SJB), and 3(DLS). Troof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyjames Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, On2whls said: Choosing to travel for OOL games versus playoff travel are two completely different situations. Are you really that slow? I feel sorry for you. So you are openly admitting to only traveling when forced to? You admit that!????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, The Guru said: Playoffs are about determining a champion. Where did you come with this overcoming adversity nonsense? Easy. My frame of reference is the Pac 5 / So Cal D-1................. Your frame of reference is Florida playoffs. Your inability to comprehend my point is understandable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Easy. My frame of reference is the Pac 5 / So Cal D-1................. Your frame of reference is Florida playoffs. Your inability to comprehend my point is understandable It doesn't matter what your frame of reference is. The playoffs are not about overcoming adversity. Period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, The Guru said: It doesn't matter what your frame of reference is. The playoffs are not about overcoming adversity. Period. whatever............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasball Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, The Guru said: You started off by claiming that beating teams with multiple losses "doesn't really help" the resume. But that contradicts the narrative you've been trying to write about SJC. Namely that they're just as good as everybody else. They have multiple losses though. So which is it? Dude - You lack comprehension - Don't put words in by mouth. In this conversation the only narrative one can have on SJC is they beat teams that SJB beat - Plus they beat Gonzaga who beat DBP - who SJB beat. Besides SJB in this conversation I am not sold on any of them being highly ranked and I believe it is fare to say that there are other teams around the country that could possibly beat SJB I also implied that SJC is sloppy and poorly coached - but they keep winning. For the record - For this season - The names of the teams that SJB beat OOS is impressive - the actual team not so much. That includes DV win over SJC --- None of these teams are that impressive for 2019 Regardless SJB still has really good team - but there is several programs from Texas and others around the country that are capable of beating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Texasball said: Dude - You lack comprehension - Don't put words in by mouth. In this conversation the only narrative one can have on SJC is they beat teams that SJB beat - Plus they beat Gonzaga who beat DBP - who SJB beat. No, I comprehend your hypocrisy just fine. "Teams with multiple losses don't help the resume but in THIS discussion the only thing about SJC that matters is that they beat the teams SJB beat!" 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 9 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Agree. Two losses are two losses. Not Top 3 worthy regardless of who both losses are to. Sometimes 2 loses means you win the MNC 😀 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasball Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, The Guru said: No, I comprehend your hypocrisy just fine. "Teams with multiple losses don't help the resume but in THIS discussion the only thing about SJC that matters is that they beat the teams SJB beat!" 🤡 Just stop - This conversation is really about SJB. sammy - talked about the 5 oos teams they scheduled and beat The point is all 5 have at least 2 more defeats other than SJB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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