RedZone Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 How's that gong to work exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 http://theparisnews.com/free/article_df673616-7bf5-11ea-9a23-6bb1fb3c063a.html Texas governor Greg Abbott said he plans to issue an executive order next week to reopen businesses in Texas, although he didn't offer specific details. "We will focus on protecting lives while restoring livelihoods," Abbott said at a news conference Friday from the state capitol. "We can and we must do this. We can do both: expand and restore the livelihoods that Texans want to have by helping them return to work." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, RedZone said: http://theparisnews.com/free/article_df673616-7bf5-11ea-9a23-6bb1fb3c063a.html Texas governor Greg Abbott said he plans to issue an executive order next week to reopen businesses in Texas, although he didn't offer specific details. "We will focus on protecting lives while restoring livelihoods," Abbott said at a news conference Friday from the state capitol. "We can and we must do this. We can do both: expand and restore the livelihoods that Texans want to have by helping them return to work." I am glad, I am retired, don't live in Texas, and have finished the project I committed to. I plan to hibernate for the next two months or so, until I am reasonably sure the worst has truly past. My sympathies to those that have to go to a work site or office through this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, DarterBlue said: I am glad, I am retired, don't live in Texas, and have finished the project I committed to. I plan to hibernate for the next two months or so, until I am reasonably sure the worst has truly past. My sympathies to those that have to go to a work site or office through this. Yep, my wife and I will just hibernate for a while here in TX until blows over. Things may be coming back online too fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Abbott closed the Parks just 5 days ago......I think orange man is putting the squeeze on Abbott. Governor Greg Abbott has directed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) and the Texas Historical Commission (THC) to close all state parks and historic sites as part of the state's efforts to strengthen social distancing practices and prevent gatherings of large groups of people.5 days ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Yep, my wife and I will just hibernate for a while here in TX until blows over. Things may be coming back online too fast That's my fear. China was literally locked down for 8 weeks. Only in the past two weeks have things started to return to normal over there even though it was clear the worst had passed several weeks before that. Be safe bro. While this disease is not Cholera or the Plague, it kills enough of the people it infects to not joke with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, RedZone said: Abbott closed the Parks just 5 days ago......I think orange man is putting the squeeze on Abbott. Governor Greg Abbott has directed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) and the Texas Historical Commission (THC) to close all state parks and historic sites as part of the state's efforts to strengthen social distancing practices and prevent gatherings of large groups of people.5 days ago He is a toadie. We see by his actions who he represents. Hint: It is not the common working folks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: That's my fear. China was literally locked down for 8 weeks. Only in the past two weeks have things started to return to normal over there even though it was clear the worst had passed several weeks before that. Be safe bro. While this disease is not Cholera or the Plague, it kills enough of the people it infects to not joke with it. You be safe too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: You be safe too. Believe me, I am going to try. I am in good health, but I just turned 65 which puts me in the high risk category age wise. I would like to see my grandchild reach adulthood before I croak. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 This is how the "socialist" Europeans now view the USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/us-global-reputation-rock-bottom-donald-trump-coronavirus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: This is how the "socialist" Europeans now view the USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/us-global-reputation-rock-bottom-donald-trump-coronavirus Oh no not the socialist europeans!! Waiting for thc's reply " who the fuck cares about what those cunty fucks think..they can suck a dick!!!" 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Oh no not the socialist europeans!! Waiting for thc's reply " who the fuck cares about what those cunty fucks think..they can suck a dick!!!" I know you don't care; you are ready, willing and able to go down with the sinking ship. As for me, I will move on. I sure as hell will not sacrifice my self in service of sociopaths and idiots! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Oh no not the socialist europeans!! Waiting for thc's reply " who the fuck cares about what those cunty fucks think..they can suck a dick!!!" About sums it it. Bunch of scared bitches. It's easy for office pogs and civilians to give up every day freedoms. They didn't fight for them. No skin in the game. Spilt no blood in foreign Mudd. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, thc6795 said: About sums it it. Bunch of scared bitches. It's easy for office pogs and civilians to give up every day freedoms. They didn't fight for them. No skin in the game. Spilt no blood in foreign Mudd. Nvm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 A detailed game plan to reopen is needed. Objective benchmarks, metrics, by which various sectors are allowed to open under various conditions are needed. I don't pretend to have all of the answers. But, I am certain that anyone claiming it is wrong to set plans around reopening "because, OMG, people are dying!" has rendered themselves incapable of thinking in a dispassionate manner about this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, badrouter said: A detailed game plan to reopen is needed. Objective benchmarks, metrics, by which various sectors are allowed to open under various conditions are needed. I don't pretend to have all of the answers. But, I am certain that anyone claiming it is wrong to set plans around reopening "because, OMG, people are dying!" has rendered themselves incapable of thinking in a dispassionate manner about this. No one is saying OMG. But, the announcement to reopen, coming on the heel of the LT Gov stating the sick and elderly should make a sacrifice to reopen has made many cautious. the takeaway is to secure oneself and make decisions that’s in their own personal best interests. The gov does not necessarily have the public’s overall health as top priority 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Interesting article on several different approaches from multiple cities and states. Pretty much shows the effectiveness of varying approaches. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/ CORONAVIRUS COVERAGE How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic Social distancing isn’t a new idea—it saved thousands of American lives during the last great pandemic. Here's how it worked. BY NINA STROCHLIC BY RILEY D. CHAMPINE PUBLISHED MARCH 27, 2020 Philadelphia detected its first case of a deadly, fast-spreading strain of influenza on September 17, 1918. The next day, in an attempt to halt the virus’ spread, city officials launched a campaign against coughing, spitting, and sneezing in public. Yet 10 days later—despite the prospect of an epidemic at its doorstep—the city hosted a parade that 200,000 people attended. Flu cases continued to mount until finally, on October 3, schools, churches, theaters, and public gathering spaces were shut down. Just two weeks after the first reported case, there were at least 20,000 more. The 1918 flu, also known as the Spanish Flu, lasted until 1920 and is considered the deadliest pandemic in modern history. Today, as the world grinds to a halt in response to the coronavirus, scientists and historians are studying the 1918 outbreak for clues to the most effective way to stop a global pandemic. The efforts implemented then to stem the flu’s spread in cities across America—and the outcomes—may offer lessons for battling today’s crisis. (Get the latest facts and information about COVID-19.) From its first known U.S. case, at a Kansas military base in March 1918, the flu spread across the country. Shortly after health measures were put in place in Philadelphia, a case popped up in St. Louis. Two days later, the city shut down most public gatherings and quarantined victims in their homes. The cases slowed. By the end of the pandemic, between 50 and 100 million people were dead worldwide, including more than 500,000 Americans—but the death rate in St. Louis was less than half of the rate in Philadelphia. The deaths due to the virus were estimatedto be about 358 people per 100,000 in St Louis, compared to 748 per 100,000 in Philadelphia during the first six months—the deadliest period—of the pandemic. Dramatic demographic shifts in the past century have made containing a pandemic increasingly hard. The rise of globalization, urbanization, and larger, more densely populated cities can facilitate a virus’ spread across a continent in a few hours—while the tools available to respond have remained nearly the same. Now as then, public health interventions are the first line of defense against an epidemic in the absence of a vaccine. These measures include closing schools, shops, and restaurants; placing restrictions on transportation; mandating social distancing, and banning public gatherings. (This is how small groups can save lives during a pandemic.) Of course, getting citizens to comply with such orders is another story: In 1918, a San Francisco health officer shot three people when one refused to wear a mandatory face mask. In Arizona, police handed out $10 fines for those caught without the protective gear. But eventually, the most drastic and sweeping measures paid off. After implementing a multitude of strict closures and controls on public gatherings, St. Louis, San Francisco, Milwaukee, and Kansas City responded fastest and most effectively: Interventions there were credited with cutting transmission rates by 30 to 50 percent. New York City, which reacted earliest to the crisis with mandatory quarantines and staggered business hours, experienced the lowest death rate on the Eastern seaboard. In 2007, a study in the Journal of the American Medial Association analyzed health data from the U.S. census that experienced the 1918 pandemic, and charted the death rates of 43 U.S. cities. That same year, two studies published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences sought to understand how responses influenced the disease’s spread in different cities. By comparing fatality rates, timing, and public health interventions, they found death rates were around 50 percent lower in cities that implemented preventative measures early on, versus those that did so late or not at all. The most effective efforts had simultaneously closed schools, churches, and theaters, and banned public gatherings. This would allow time for vaccine development (though a flu vaccine was not used until the 1940s) and lessened the strain on health care systems. The studies reached another important conclusion: That relaxing intervention measures too early could cause an otherwise stabilized city to relapse. St. Louis, for example, was so emboldened by its low death rate that the city lifted restrictions on public gatherings less than two months after the outbreak began. A rash of new cases soon followed. Of the cities that kept interventions in place, none experienced a second wave of high death rates. (See photos that capture a world paused by coronavirus.) In 1918, the studies found, the key to flattening the curve was social distancing. And that likely remains true a century later, in the current battle against coronavirus. “[T]here is an invaluable treasure trove of useful historical data that has only just begun to be used to inform our actions,” Columbia University epidemiologist Stephen S. Morse wrote in an analysis of the data. “The lessons of 1918, if well heeded, might help us to avoid repeating the same history today.” FOLLOW US AD CHOICES CONTACT US DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION GDPR FAQS JOBS PRIVACY POLICY TERMS OF USE YOUR CALIFORNIA PRIVACY RIGHTS Copyright © 1996-2015 National Geographic Society. Copyright © 2015-2020 National Geographic Partners, LLC. All rights reserved We basically have/had an instruction manual the entire time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 There are some good articles on the topic of reopening, the NYT put out a good read on “How” will we know it’s time to reopen and not focus so much on the “when”. (By Aaron Carroll on 6 Apr) Can’t link it, but if interested it’s easy to find 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Horsefly said: No one is saying OMG. But, the announcement to reopen, coming on the heel of the LT Gov stating the sick and elderly should make a sacrifice to reopen has made many cautious. the takeaway is to secure oneself and make decisions that’s in their own personal best interests. The gov does not necessarily have the public’s overall health as top priority But, nowhere do you- or they, in places like California- even acknowledge the need to plan to reopen. It always just ends up being a diversion to appeal to emotion. This strongly suggests they don't even have any such plans. Or, they're intentionally keeping the public from knowing their plans. L.A. County announced on April 10 an extension of the lock down until May 15. The previous order kept us in lockdown unil April 19. Despite new data proving the worst case scenario models wrong, they announced a full nine days in advance another month extension. What would have been another week's worth of data meant nothing. They knew long ago that, no matter what, they were going to extend the lock down. Likely until Fall of 2021 at the earliest. They just won't tell us as much. Because very few of the fully compliant folks would agree to seventy-eight or so weeks of this. They comply because they think it will just be a few weeks. We need an intelligent strategy around when to reopen various sectors of the economy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, badrouter said: But, nowhere do you- or they, in places like California- even acknowledge the need to plan to reopen. It always just ends up being a diversion to appeal to emotion. This strongly suggests they don't even have any such plans. Or, they're intentionally keeping the public from knowing their plans. L.A. County announced on April 10 an extension of the lock down until May 15. The previous order kept us in lockdown unil April 19. Despite new data proving the worst case scenario models wrong, they announced a full nine days in advance another month extension. What would have been another week's worth of data meant nothing. They knew long ago that, no matter what, they were going to extend the lock down. Likely until Fall of 2021 at the earliest. They just won't tell us as much. Because very few of the fully compliant folks would agree to seventy-eight or so weeks of this. They comply because they think it will just be a few weeks. We need an intelligent strategy around when to reopen various sectors of the economy. Our TX Governor is suppose to release plans next week. So we’ll have to see what he lays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 13 hours ago, DarterBlue said: He is a toadie. We see by his actions who he represents. Hint: It is not the common working folks! It's tough figuring this guy's logic. I guess the 1st phase of openings will be called "Covid-19 Guinea Pig 1". ...ted cruz still working? Texas Covid-19 update. https://abc13.com/greg-abbott-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak/6097623/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 12 hours ago, badrouter said: A detailed game plan to reopen is needed. Objective benchmarks, metrics, by which various sectors are allowed to open under various conditions are needed. I don't pretend to have all of the answers. But, I am certain that anyone claiming it is wrong to set plans around reopening "because, OMG, people are dying!" has rendered themselves incapable of thinking in a dispassionate manner about this. In order to have a serious detailed plan to reopen the economy, one that gives due consideration to the health of the public, you first have to have a very good idea of the infection rates by region in this country. Anything less is arbitrary at best, and puts the lives of individuals and whole communities at serious risk. I have the good fortune of not having to go out with any degree of frequency for I am retired. Fifteen years ago, that would not have been an option as I did not have sufficient savings then to act in an independent way with respect to the choice to work or not work as the case may be. I have said before and will repeat: if you are dead none of this matters! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 13 hours ago, badrouter said: A detailed game plan to reopen is needed. Objective benchmarks, metrics, by which various sectors are allowed to open under various conditions are needed. I don't pretend to have all of the answers. But, I am certain that anyone claiming it is wrong to set plans around reopening "because, OMG, people are dying!" has rendered themselves incapable of thinking in a dispassionate manner about this. Exactly, You must think like they think, you must act like they act or else. They give up every day rights easy, like it is nothing. They live scared in their little worlds. Go along with the flock. How dare anyone say we need to open America back up. Every model these fucking clowns have come up have been wrong. 2 million will die. Nope. 200k will die...NOPE. 100k will die...nope. 89k will die...nope. The flu has killed more people but the sheep don’t want to hear this. Meanwhile DRs and nurses are being furloughed or laid off because they don’t have work. Hospitals the Army Corp's built are being torn down because they haven’t seen ONE patient. Pneumonia deaths have reduced the last 2 months. Death by heart attack have reduced. Death by the flu have reduced. Why because they need as many people dying from the Wuhan as they can. Keeps the sheep scared. Seriously, when Texas opens back up. Stay home. Lines suck. It will be nice to go eat without having to wait. It will be nice going to a movie without waiting. And driving has been great. So please stay home and blame Trump for the evil world you live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 19 hours ago, DarterBlue said: This is how the "socialist" Europeans now view the USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/12/us-global-reputation-rock-bottom-donald-trump-coronavirus Noted that you pick probably the most left-wing of all the major UK dailies. Nobody is shocked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, concha said: Noted that you pick probably the most left-wing of all the major UK dailies. Nobody is shocked. No different than YOU linking the NY Post and other white nationalist websites to score points. Yawn.... your hypocrisy shocks no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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