I AM IRONMAN Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Surprised no posts on this yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Because this generation of sorry ass cops will shoot you in the back for that and millions of dumbasses have become so desensitized that they justify it in droves i miss T.J. Hooker☹️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Can't find anything on any major news network😕 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 https://www.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2020/02/03/red-lion-fight-man-grabs-and-uses-two-state-polices-tasers-police-say/4646280002/ The drunk man "arrested"... "Orvis began resisting the troopers, who tried to use a Taser on him, according to police. Orvis grabbed the Taser and used it on a state trooper, hitting the officer in the right shoulder. Orvis continued deploying the Taser and almost hit another trooper in the head, police allege." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: Because this generation of sorry ass cops will shoot you in the back for that and millions of dumbasses have become so desensitized that they justify it in droves i miss T.J. Hooker☹️ Shoot you in the back ??? Guy was clearly dui , let’s let him drive off and run over a family at Wendy’s, dude stole the cops weapon and then runs and turns back towards officers and points weapon at their face cmon now how you coming??? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: let’s let him drive off and run over a family at Wendy’s, Looks like the video was at 11:23 PM. Another family en route to or from Mass? A little Frosty and Baked Potato before the service? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Looks like the video was at 11:23 PM. Another family en route to or from Mass? A little Frosty and Baked Potato before the service? All lives that get run over matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Looks like the video was at 11:23 PM. Another family en route to or from Mass? A little Frosty and Baked Potato before the service? No frosties there...Wendy's burned to the ground as protesters blocked hiways and the fire trucks...that makes sense 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinl Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Based on CURRENT news, the encounter was legit, the way it degraded into a fight will have to be sorted out based on cam/bodycam video. If he would have been shot the moment he took the taser and the struggle ensued, it would be justified based on the lawful deadly force continuum. At the point he was running away from the LEO's, deadly force should not have been used. They had his license. They had his vehicle. Pretty sure they could get a warrant and arrest him later. You cant shoot someone in the back unless it is to protect your life or someone else's, and you BETTER be able to prove it in court. (Tennessee v. Gardner) There is, and always has been too much grey area when using deadly force. Addendum: FYI: No matter how innocent you may be, it is NEVER ok to fight the police and take a weapon. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 21 hours ago, golfaddict1 said: https://www.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2020/02/03/red-lion-fight-man-grabs-and-uses-two-state-polices-tasers-police-say/4646280002/ The drunk man "arrested"... "Orvis began resisting the troopers, who tried to use a Taser on him, according to police. Orvis grabbed the Taser and used it on a state trooper, hitting the officer in the right shoulder. Orvis continued deploying the Taser and almost hit another trooper in the head, police allege." And yet he wasn't murdered.... The problem isn't just cops,it's this generation. No one takes their profession seriously nor do they value life in general. It's always me first. The same selfishness that lead to those sorry cops shooting a fleeing man that they know didn't have a gun is the same systemic selfishness that caused that man to pass out drunk in a damn drive thru in the first place. It's also the in the same vein of selfishness that would make otherwise sensible individuals excuse and justify this murder. Whether it's doctors, teachers, cops or the fucking pizza man, we need a complete re-education on ethics and civilility in this country. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: [...] we need a complete re-education on ethics and civilility in this country. And the first thing that needs to go is the silly idea that there are no objective truths in morality, which is what we teach now, since otherwise every moral education would be just as valuable (or value-less) as every other moral education. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, rockinl said: Based on CURRENT news, the encounter was legit, the way it degraded into a fight will have to be sorted out based on cam/bodycam video. If he would have been shot the moment he took the taser and the struggle ensued, it would be justified based on the lawful deadly force continuum. At the point he was running away from the LEO's, deadly force should not have been used. They had his license. They had his vehicle. Pretty sure they could get a warrant and arrest him later. You cant shoot someone in the back unless it is to protect your life or someone else's, and you BETTER be able to prove it in court. (Tennessee v. Gardner) There is, and always has been too much grey area when using deadly force. Addendum: FYI: No matter how innocent you may be, it is NEVER ok to fight the police and take a weapon. Here’s the video, you can’t steal a police taser and then point and shoot it at the officers face https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhV87uTrBmjPpnacUI @SOCIntellectualProperty I don’t know what reality you live in but that’s a Big No No 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 He also said on camera to the officer that he only had two drinks but he couldn't remember what kind of drinks they were.....Hmmm seems legit 😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: Here’s the video, you can’t steal a police taser and then point and shoot it at the officers face https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhV87uTrBmjPpnacUI @SOCIntellectualProperty I don’t know what reality you live in but that’s a Big No No 'No-no' or not... it does not justify execution Plenty of former police agree 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: 'No-no' or not... it does not justify execution Plenty of former police agree If they were trying to execute him, there would have been 30 shots not 3.... it’s easy for you to judge someone until your in their shoes ... wtf you want them to do while their busy avoiding being shot with a taser in the face 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 He was running away, shot in the back and killed. Executed, plain and simple. Fuck the no-nos, dui, priors, pimple on the ass bullshit..... man was executed. Due process, too many "Judge Dredds" running around. bgw 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: He was running away, shot in the back and killed. Executed, plain and simple. Fuck the no-nos, dui, priors, pimple on the ass bullshit..... man was executed. Due process, too many "Judge Dredds" running around. bgw Cmon buwey he ran at first but then decided to turn back towards the officer and shoot the taser at his face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, I AM IRONMAN said: He also said on camera to the officer that he only had two drinks but he couldn't remember what kind of drinks they were.....Hmmm seems legit 😕 Everyone says 2 drinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: Cmon buwey he ran at first but then decided to turn back towards the officer and shoot the taser at his face Taser for the most part is not lethal, a sidearm is. This job is difficult, but you must have presence of mind. He panicked, never had control of the situation. bgw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Two clear truths from what I could see: 1) The man was an idiot. He was being treated peacefully and respectfully, and there was no reason I could see for his surprise resistance. 2) He was not a real threat as he ran and should not have been shot. Let alone killed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: Cmon buwey he ran at first but then decided to turn back towards the officer and shoot the taser at his face He did not really turn. He pointed the taser behind him. Then he was shot. It's not like he was standing his ground or anything. Like it was said they had his car. He could have been arrested later. Now his kids are orphaned and his wife widowed. I can't support this. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Taser for the most part is not lethal, a sidearm is. This job is difficult, but you must have presence of mind. He panicked, never had control of the situation. bgw I’m just saying it’s a lot easier saying what he could have done behind a computer, All that adrenaline in his body , I honestly don’t believe he wanted to murder him, I’ve seen plenty of asshole cops empty whole clips into people, he just made a Horrendous choice to pull out his handgun and shoot him but like I said it’s a lot Easier saying what he could have done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: Cmon buwey he ran at first but then decided to turn back towards the officer and shoot the taser at his face I don’t want anyone to get killed. It ain’t worth it - for the one shot or the officer. Police are expected to be restrained. But situations can go south fast, and often do. When you resist arrest, when you grab a gun or taser, you are escalating into territory where bad stuff gets more likely. Policemen and policewomen want to go home at the end of their shifts - they don’t want to die either. Nor do they want to get charged with murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Just now, imaGoodBoyNow said: I’m just saying it’s a lot easier saying what he could have done behind a computer, All that adrenaline in his body , I honestly don’t believe he wanted to murder him, I’ve seen plenty of asshole cops empty whole clips into people, he just made a Horrendous choice to pull out his handgun and shoot him but like I said it’s a lot Easier saying what he could have done Now that I agree with.. I could tell you some things that happened to me today with a young 270 pound male with no neck, traps from shoulder to ear lobe and he's alive and nobody got hurt or dead. It can be done, de escalation and understanding the situation at hand. bgw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: He did not really turn. He pointed the taser behind him. Then he was shot. It's not like he was standing his ground or anything. Like it was said they had his car. He could have been arrested later. Now his kids are orphaned and his wife widowed. I can't support this. I understand but wtf is the police so supposed to do, just let him go home, maybe run over someone’s kid chilling at the Wendy’s parking lot, they tried to calmly arrest him, I just don’t get what the solution is supposed to be. Just let people be free? Let them drive high and drunk , rob banks , domestic violence etc etc the worlds a super fucked up place people need the police and this is coming from someone who done years behind bars because of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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