Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 23 hours ago, concha said: Which recent president publicly pushed NATO members to increase their defense spending? Trump. And, again, the nervous tick reemerges. This old chestnut. Both John Kelly and John Bolton said that Trump planned to leave NATO. John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans “The point is, he saw absolutely no point in NATO,” Kelly said in the book. “He was just dead set against having troops in South Korea, again, a deterrent force, or having troops in Japan, a deterrent force.” ----------- In “The Return of Great Powers,” multiple advisors recount in detail how Trump very nearly removed the US from NATO at the alliance’s 2018 summit in Brussels. Bolton recalls the 2018 summit with genuine fear. “Honest to God, it was frightening because we didn’t know what he was going to do up until the last minute. And I mean, I think, he all but said he was going to get out of NATO and then pulled back on it,” said Bolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 22 hours ago, concha said: Andy is apparently happy to see American blood and treasure spent while his European betters leach off of the American serviceman and American wallet. There's zero American blood being spent in Ukraine. Also, as has also been documented, Donald Trump has zero concern for American servicemen. Stop the routine, concha. This kind of groveling is pathetic even for someone of such low-esteem like yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 21 hours ago, World Citizen said: Concha always lies and says Trump is pro NATO. He might be that stupid. We 100% for sure know he keeps saying the same bs talking points. He's probably stupid too but he's definitely a toady. He's the most ideological person on this forum. He would probably kill "leftists" if he could get away with it. What's more is that his reflexive regurgitating of talking points is an obvious dodge. If given truth serum he'd probably admit all of the things that are blatantly obvious and documented about Trump. But he's so dedicated to the movement that such truth can't be uttered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 20 hours ago, concha said: Unlike you, I make an effort to know what the fuck I'm talking about 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 20 hours ago, concha said: Trump actually cares about AMERICA and AMERICAN TREASURE and AMERICAN LIVES. John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans "A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family — for all Gold Star families — on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 21 hours ago, World Citizen said: and he ALWAYS neglects to mention other things Trump has said like allowing Putin to do whatever the hell he wants if NATO countries do not pay more. He's a member of the kernel of truth party. They fish for a 1% kernel that allows them to ignore the other 99%. It's classic toadyism. If the things Trump has said/done re: our troops and NATO was instead said/done by Obama or Biden then concha would be blowing a gasket. That's what makes this stuff so comical. The Republican Party pre-2015 was the greatest purveyor of patriotic rhetoric regarding the military and defense. Even the slightest deviation from the accepted norm was grounds for a public haranguing. Trump is the greatest example of this in modern history. Has no equal in his anti-American, anti-troops rhetoric/actions. Yet, concha is sucking his dick and cupping his balls. And going after anybody who points out these facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: Calling concha's tactics dishonest is almost boring at this point. You all know that he has his talking points and he sticks to them regardless of all the publicly known information. Notice how he always fishes for a tiny crumb in the past and then clings to it desperately. He usually just repeats said crumb over and over again like a nervous tick. The crumb this time is Trump selling weapons to Ukraine in 2017 (when they weren't at war) and then claiming that this, ipso facto, proves that Trump isn't anti-Ukraine. Except this ignores more recent actions from, say, the last 7 years. Like this. Hungary's leader claims Trump told him he would cut off U.S. military aid to Ukraine Or the fact that the politically party that Trump wholly owns is the one stonewalling on Ukraine aid as we speak. No doubt at the direction of Trump himself. Andy, the truth isn't meant to excite you. It's the truth. And the fact you may not like it is of no consequence to me. Your childish whining about "He keeps saying that.... waaaaahhhh" only invites me repeating it again. I guess in your fantasy world, the Ukraine, having already had Crimea annexed by Russia, was not looking for military aid? 🤡 Or maybe Trump gave Javelin missiles to them at Putin's behest? 🤡 What Trump would or would not do vis a vis Ukraine is pure speculation. What we DO know is that Trump supplied weapons to Ukraine when Obama hadn't. What we DO know is that Trump called out a bunch of slackers in NATO to step up. Under Biden's watch, they are very comfortable NOT doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: And, just as predicted, concha reaches back into the past for a tiny crumb that he has repeated hundreds of times. Putin didn't invade Ukraine at the time because he didn't have to. He had his preferred candidate in the White House and was squeezing every last drop that he could. He likely understood that Trump was going to leave NATO in his second term. Why the hell would he invade in a situation like that? Once Trump was gone his options narrowed. This is international politics 101. It's so simple that even the dumber MAGA clowns could probably understand it. This is one of your dumbest posts. Ever. Quite an accomplishment. https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-says-he-wont-quit-nato-if-europe-pays-its-way/#:~:text=The likely Republican candidate told,long as Europe coughs up.&text=LONDON — Donald Trump has said,European countries "play fair." Donald Trump says he won’t quit NATO — if Europe pays its way 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: And, again, the nervous tick reemerges. This old chestnut. Both John Kelly and John Bolton said that Trump planned to leave NATO. John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans “The point is, he saw absolutely no point in NATO,” Kelly said in the book. “He was just dead set against having troops in South Korea, again, a deterrent force, or having troops in Japan, a deterrent force.” ----------- In “The Return of Great Powers,” multiple advisors recount in detail how Trump very nearly removed the US from NATO at the alliance’s 2018 summit in Brussels. Bolton recalls the 2018 summit with genuine fear. “Honest to God, it was frightening because we didn’t know what he was going to do up until the last minute. And I mean, I think, he all but said he was going to get out of NATO and then pulled back on it,” said Bolton. See previous post. "He all but said..." so he didn't actually say it. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: There's zero American blood being spent in Ukraine. Also, as has also been documented, Donald Trump has zero concern for American servicemen. Stop the routine, concha. This kind of groveling is pathetic even for someone of such low-esteem like yourself. 1) And I never said there was. 2) He cares enough to want to have kept us out of new wars and he's pressured our parasitic allies to step up their defense spending, which would save American lives in a conflict. But keep up the talking points, Andy. You're going great. Just ask yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: He's probably stupid too but he's definitely a toady. He's the most ideological person on this forum. He would probably kill "leftists" if he could get away with it. What's more is that his reflexive regurgitating of talking points is an obvious dodge. If given truth serum he'd probably admit all of the things that are blatantly obvious and documented about Trump. But he's so dedicated to the movement that such truth can't be uttered. The supine leftist gubmint clerk and apologist speaketh. Out his ass. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans "A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family — for all Gold Star families — on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.” I don't deny that Trump says some stupid shit sometimes. But I'm also able to distinguish between actions and words. No new wars. Increased military budget. Pressure on delinquent allies to pay their share. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 58 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: He's a member of the kernel of truth party. They fish for a 1% kernel that allows them to ignore the other 99%. It's classic toadyism. If the things Trump has said/done re: our troops and NATO was instead said/done by Obama or Biden then concha would be blowing a gasket. That's what makes this stuff so comical. The Republican Party pre-2015 was the greatest purveyor of patriotic rhetoric regarding the military and defense. Even the slightest deviation from the accepted norm was grounds for a public haranguing. Trump is the greatest example of this in modern history. Has no equal in his anti-American, anti-troops rhetoric/actions. Yet, concha is sucking his dick and cupping his balls. And going after anybody who points out these facts. Again, the reality and facts are: No new wars. Increased military budget. Pressure on delinquent allies to pay their share. It grates on Andy's tiny ball sack, because the above are irrefutable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: There's zero American blood being spent in Ukraine. Also, as has also been documented, Donald Trump has zero concern for American servicemen. Stop the routine, concha. This kind of groveling is pathetic even for someone of such low-esteem like yourself. Yup. No boots on the ground. As for the treasure piece, what most people seem to miss is approximately 2/3 of the aid to Ukraine ends up in 38 states, funding assembly lines to refill depleted stockpiles of weapons and gear, as well as funding the development of new technologies such as around drones etc. Aid to Ukraine is effectively a US stimulus package. MAGA House Leader so far refuses to put it up to a vote because it will pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigBlack Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, concha said: See previous post. "He all but said..." so he didn't actually say it. Thanks Unless it’s a direct, verbatim quote with written or audio proof, all of life is “he all but said.” No better way to exemplify you don’t live in reality than denying it because it does t fit your narrative. Par for the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigBlack Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, concha said: I don't deny that Trump says some stupid shit sometimes. But I'm also able to distinguish between actions and words. And Kim Jong Un and is a super nice guy and should be trusted because he’s never, ever even launched a nuclear weapon and I’m smart enough to know the difference between actions and words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 35 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said: Unless it’s a direct, verbatim quote with written or audio proof, all of life is “he all but said.” No better way to exemplify you don’t live in reality than denying it because it does t fit your narrative. Par for the course. So you can ignore the article I noted where he publicly makes clear his views. Cool. Par for the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 34 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said: And Kim Jong Un and is a super nice guy and should be trusted because he’s never, ever even launched a nuclear weapon and I’m smart enough to know the difference between actions and words. Unknown. Are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, 15yds4gibberish said: Yup. No boots on the ground. As for the treasure piece, what most people seem to miss is approximately 2/3 of the aid to Ukraine ends up in 38 states, funding assembly lines to refill depleted stockpiles of weapons and gear, as well as funding the development of new technologies such as around drones etc. Aid to Ukraine is effectively a US stimulus package. MAGA House Leader so far refuses to put it up to a vote because it will pass. As Fonzie used to say, “correctamundo” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 And I guess we can afford all this and it doesn't add debt or eat into our own military's reserves. Win, win. I'm so relieved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 8:51 AM, concha said: Andy, the truth isn't meant to excite you. It's the truth. And the fact you may not like it is of no consequence to me. Your childish whining about "He keeps saying that.... waaaaahhhh" only invites me repeating it again. I guess in your fantasy world, the Ukraine, having already had Crimea annexed by Russia, was not looking for military aid? 🤡 Or maybe Trump gave Javelin missiles to them at Putin's behest? 🤡 What Trump would or would not do vis a vis Ukraine is pure speculation. What we DO know is that Trump supplied weapons to Ukraine when Obama hadn't. What we DO know is that Trump called out a bunch of slackers in NATO to step up. Under Biden's watch, they are very comfortable NOT doing so. Trump tells you what he will do but you say it is pure speculation? You are truly stupid. Btw, those bunch of slackers came to our defense when we asked/needed them to, and they didn't make their help conditional. Trump is a hate machine, just like you, so him calling anything 'out' is laughable. Under Biden's watch NATO is stronger than ever and is only going to get stronger unless Trump gets back in the WH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, World Citizen said: Trump tells you what he will do but you say it is pure speculation? You are truly stupid. Btw, those bunch of slackers came to our defense when we asked/needed them to, and they didn't make their help conditional. Trump is a hate machine, just like you, so him calling anything 'out' is laughable. Under Biden's watch NATO is stronger than ever and is only going to get stronger unless Trump gets back in the WH. Dumbass, Even the head of the German armed forces is embarrassed at the state of their military. And he should be. Do everyone a favor and go play in traffic. What does it say about you people that you are stupid happy to spend American treasure and American lives to defend people who refuse to defend themselves? It's a sickness. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 0.3% pct gdp… appalling @15yds4gibberish ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 So, the US taxpayer has provided the most aid to Ukraine - by far - from anywhere in the world. Even though they are not a neighbor nor do they have a defense treaty with us. Fellow European countries Germany, the UK, France and Italy have top ten world economies. In fact, all are LARGER than Russia's. Let them handle it. Oh, wait. All but the UK have intentionally skimped on their defense budgets for years and years and years... but that's OK. It's Trump's fault or something. We're not allowed to criticize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 33 minutes ago, concha said: So, the US taxpayer has provided the most aid to Ukraine - by far - from anywhere in the world. Even though they are not a neighbor nor do they have a defense treaty with us. Fellow European countries Germany, the UK, France and Italy have top ten world economies. In fact, all are LARGER than Russia's. Let them handle it. Oh, wait. All but the UK have intentionally skimped on their defense budgets for years and years and years... but that's OK. It's Trump's fault or something. We're not allowed to criticize. Why did they skimp? Probably because they knew we would come running to save their asses. Protect everyone’s border but our own 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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