Geico Bowl Series 2022

[OldTerrapin]

15 hours ago, Bodysurf said:

Is this is a known fact, how is it that they have not been declared ineligible? 

Ineligible by whom?  Those GEICO games are not NFHS sanctioned or sanctioned by any state athletic association. . St Frances is not sanctioned by anyone so they technically are not breaking any rules because they have none. They had 5th year players last year as well. That said they aren't eligible to play most state association sanctioned teams but that was the case before they started with the reclassing. The reclassing started after Poggi left. 

The association they were in the MIAA is not a state association. They are just a league for private schools to play in. The MIAA is run by the AD's from the various member schools and an elected board chair by the AD's. They only govern the sports and have no oversight on anything academic or otherwise with their member private schools. The MIAA is not NFHS sanctioned either.  SFA football was kicked out and not allowed to play in the MIAA or it's playoffs because they wanted to go National and play by their own rules. St Frances Basketball are still members in good standing with the MIAA.  The thing about the MIAA is you can just enter one sport or all you sports. Georgetown Prep used to play football only in the MIAA and their other sports in some DC Area private league. For whatever reason how Maryland works and what MIAA is seems hard for out of state folks to wrap their head around lol

MPSSAA is Maryland's State Association. In Maryland only public schools are members no privates. Privates all are independent or have their own leagues such as the MIAA or others of that ilk. Those league have their own championships and have nothing to do with Maryland State Championship.

SFA football is Freelance they have no oversight from the state or the MIAA. They come with a play at your own risk status. 

I feel like I have explained this 1000 times on here lol

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

7 hours ago, TruthSerum said:

Though I'm sure there will be a few people dumb enough to think Lincoln is actually good anyway even though they are barely average on a state level 

badrouter would think that except that Lakeland doesn't play Lincoln.

[Atticus Finch]

7 hours ago, badrouter said:

If all of the best teams had to play in the same level, like California's "Open" division, or to a lesser extent Texas where there are two top classifications, we'd know MUCH more. Throw the top couple dozen teams in the state into one group and let them fight it out.

So your solution to there being meaningless state championships is to make sure that there are *more* of them and that only one of them actually matters?

Genius.

[TruthSerum]

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

badrouter would think that except that Lakeland doesn't play Lincoln.

Is that why these Lakeland posters are so determined to prop up CAI as IMG lite?

[181pl]

You'll never know who the best team in FL is by way of a traditional playoff. Need to let the best public schools and the best private schools (including IMG, CAI, etc.) play in separate divisions and then have an open bowl. Every once in a while you'd have a public like Central or Lakeland step up and win. Most of the time it would be the bought and paid for teams that would win. 

 

 

[TruthSerum]

49 minutes ago, 181pl said:

You'll never know who the best team in FL is by way of a traditional playoff. Need to let the best public schools and the best private schools (including IMG, CAI, etc.) play in separate divisions and then have an open bowl. Every once in a while you'd have a public like Central or Lakeland step up and win. Most of the time it would be the bought and paid for teams that would win. 

 

 

Central has had over 20 transfers for like what? Last 5 seasons? What's the point of separating privates if the publics can load up even easier 

[TruthSerum]

50 minutes ago, 181pl said:

You'll never know who the best team in FL is by way of a traditional playoff. Need to let the best public schools and the best private schools (including IMG, CAI, etc.) play in separate divisions and then have an open bowl. Every once in a while you'd have a public like Central or Lakeland step up and win. Most of the time it would be the bought and paid for teams that would win. 

 

 

Does aucilla Christian or Glades Day somehow have an advantage that Miami Central or Dillard doesn't have?

[PCGridiron]

12 hours ago, dntn31 said:

Top FL schools by playoff section:

• 1M: Chaminade-Madonna, Cardinal Newman
• 2M: Central, AHP, Northwestern, Cardinal Gibbons
• 3M: STA, Edgewater, Dillard, Jones
• 4M: Columbus, Seminole
• 4S: Venice, Lakeland

2M looks like the most interesting potential section out of a bunch of sections that potentially aren't very interesting.

Venice, MNW, Dillard are fool's gold. 

[FootballGuy]

12 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Yeah, well, if they want to ridicule us for being a team, then, let them have at it. There's a reason why we stay pretty damned good year in and out. 

I do think they would. They folded vs. us and we probably aren't as strong, or have as many "men" as a team full of "kids" almost old enough to buy their own alcohol that should be in college already. 

 

I do think it depends on who Lee would be matched up with if they were to go. I like their chances vs SFA this time around. If Kahuku and East St. Louis can go blow for blow with them, then what you think Lee would do? And im pretty sure Lee is better than both of those teams.

[181pl]

1 hour ago, TruthSerum said:

Central has had over 20 transfers for like what? Last 5 seasons? What's the point of separating privates if the publics can load up even easier 

IMG, Chaminade, STA, American Heritage, Columbus, Cardinal Gibbons, Clearwater Academy, etc. etc. As a rule those teams will dominate public schools. Yes you may have a central or Lakeland step up once in a while. And so central has a bunch of transfers in a talent rich area. Big deal. They don’t draw kids from all over the state or country and they don’t house kids either.

Apples and Oranges.

[181pl]

1 hour ago, TruthSerum said:

Does aucilla Christian or Glades Day somehow have an advantage that Miami Central or Dillard doesn't have?

Those teams will never meet each other in the playoffs so bad analogy.  But those teams have advantages over some tiny rural school. 

[Rufus69]

12 hours ago, badrouter said:

Columbia, I don't think anyone thinks Lincoln is all that good.

Lincoln has a few athletes...especially a RB and a LB'er...but as a team...maybe slightly better than average.

 

 

Rufus>>

[TruthSerum]

23 minutes ago, 181pl said:

IMG, Chaminade, STA, American Heritage, Columbus, Cardinal Gibbons, Clearwater Academy, etc. etc. As a rule those teams will dominate public schools. Yes you may have a central or Lakeland step up once in a while. And so central has a bunch of transfers in a talent rich area. Big deal. They don’t draw kids from all over the state or country and they don’t house kids either.

Apples and Oranges.

STA doesn't house kids either

Show me on their school website where STA is a boarding school

[181pl]

2 minutes ago, TruthSerum said:

STA doesn't house kids either

Show me on their school website where STA is a boarding school

 

they don’t have to house kids. They are like a central on steroids. They’ve been getting the top players from around the state and country for years and years and years. If you build it they will come kind of thing

[TruthSerum]

20 minutes ago, 181pl said:

Those teams will never meet each other in the playoffs so bad analogy.  But those teams have advantages over some tiny rural school. 

The point is that the only areas where private schools are good is in areas that are talent rich but under Florida rules there's nothing stopping a public school in the same county from getting kids which is why we see so many Dade and Broward kids ending up at MNW, Central and Dillard at a rate that's probably higher than what the privates in those counties got because public schools don't have academic requirements for admission while private schools do 

Privates in rural areas have no real advantage, when's the last time aucilla Christian beat Madison County? When's the last time Glades Day beat Pahokee?

[TruthSerum]

Just now, 181pl said:

 

they don’t have to house kids. They are like a central on steroids. They’ve been getting the top players from around the state and country for years and years and years. If you build it they will come kind of thing

And yet Central has gotten more transfers every year than STA the last 5 seasons? Didn't Dillard take a blue chipper from STA this off-season? As did Miami Central? If STA is getting every top player in Broward County than how come STA doesn't have a 5* WR but stranahan does?

 

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/Recruits/?&PlayerSport.PlayerInstitution.Institution.Key=1414

 

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/Recruits/?&PlayerSport.PlayerInstitution.Institution.Key=8990

 

In fact STA doesn't have a single 5* player in their entire senior class

 

[TruthSerum]

36 minutes ago, 181pl said:

IMG, Chaminade, STA, American Heritage, Columbus, Cardinal Gibbons, Clearwater Academy, etc. etc. As a rule those teams will dominate public schools. Yes you may have a central or Lakeland step up once in a while. And so central has a bunch of transfers in a talent rich area. Big deal. They don’t draw kids from all over the state or country and they don’t house kids either.

Apples and Oranges.

Cardinal Gibbons won their first state title in 2017 after spending decades in classifications with public schools 

Columbus won their first state title in 2019 after spending decades with public schools including losing to a public school in the 2018 finals who had never made it past the third round prior to that season 

How exactly are these teams preventing publics from winning championships when they literally never beat any publics in title games prior to winning in the last 10 years?

[TruthSerum]

AHP won their first state title in 2013 and shared a classification with publics for years prior to winning

 

In fact of the teams you listed only STA and Chaminade had won a state title prior to 10 years ago

[Atticus Finch]

38 minutes ago, 181pl said:

Those teams will never meet each other in the playoffs so bad analogy.  But those teams have advantages over some tiny rural school. 

It doesn't take much to know that 181pl is a clueless clown who's just bitter that his school sucks at football now.

What advantage does Aucilla Christian have over any of the local publics? They would lose to Jefferson County, Madison County, Wakulla, etc.

Aucilla is basically a bad Pop Warner team.

[Atticus Finch]

33 minutes ago, 181pl said:

they don’t have to house kids. They are like a central on steroids. They’ve been getting the top players from around the state and country for years and years and years. If you build it they will come kind of thing

In the Rivals era, STA has had fewer 5-star players than American Heritage,

But I have to remind myself that I'm interacting with the doofus who, in 2017, claimed that STA had 60 4-star and 5-star transfers in the past decade.

In reality the number of transfers who were either were 4-stars or 5-stars or became one later was actually only 8.

[Atticus Finch]

37 minutes ago, TruthSerum said:

If STA is getting every top player in Broward County than how come STA doesn't have a 5* WR but stranahan does?

I always laugh when it's revealed that Omar Graham and Hykeem Williams both went to Stranahan.

[Atticus Finch]

27 minutes ago, TruthSerum said:

Cardinal Gibbons won their first state title in 2017 after spending decades in classifications with public schools 

Another reason you know that 181pl is just bullshitting and doesn't actually know anything is that he just takes whatever private school is good and claims that they're an academy or they're housing kids or "it doesn't matter!"

Cardinal Gibbons being included in these list of gripes against "academy" teams is comical.

[TruthSerum]

12 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Another reason you know that 181pl is just bullshitting and doesn't actually know anything is that he just takes whatever private school is good and claims that they're an academy or they're housing kids or "it doesn't matter!"

Cardinal Gibbons being included in these list of gripes against "academy" teams is comical.

The thing is it's funny when someone says a school is recruiting across the state or country but then it's made clear the school doesn't have boarding

 

So somehow we are supposed to believe that these schools that are recruiting across the country and these kids are traveling from another state every day while not living at the school just to play football? Do these kids also have bill gates for a dad and ride a helicopter into school? Because if they aren't living on campus and have to MAKE A MOVE to the area under the current rules they are just as capable of ending up at a public school as they could a private school under the current rules at the state level 

 

The private schools having an advantage at getting players ended the moment a kid was no longer bound directly by zones to attend any public school in county or out of county 

[TruthSerum]

17 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

I always laugh when it's revealed that Omar Graham and Hykeem Williams both went to Stranahan.

People tend to not bring up evidence that would hurt their argument

[954gator]

6 hours ago, TruthSerum said:

Is that why these Lakeland posters are so determined to prop up CAI as IMG lite?

CAI looks pretty good this year though.