thc6795 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Just now, SOCIntellectualProperty said: All over social media .... I actually saw the video of the KKK leaving with their tails tucked between their legs this morning on twitter and Facebook... but can't find it anywhere with a google search kind of odd i dont think you can label BLM with these creeps... BLM is a LGBT organization that used the death of black men (who coincidentally don't appear anywhere in their charters or bylaws, as does other marginalized communities) to gain footing on a public stage ... I'm no fan of BLM after reading the charter, at all... but it's a long stretch to equate them to the KKK... they haven't murdered ,lynched, raped,or demonstrated repeatedly against the constitutional rights of anyone IMO they are a hate group, this is how they are like the KKK. Cops have been murdered. Pigs in a blanket what do we want...dead cops...when...now. Don't sound like a peaceful bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 8/18/2017 at 10:32 AM, thc6795 said: IMO they are a hate group, this is how they are like the KKK. Cops have been murdered. Pigs in a blanket what do we want...dead cops...when...now. Don't sound like a peaceful bunch. PLEASE don't start me down a road of defending BLM... as I've stated... I'm not a fan of the feminist LGBT organization STILL... even right wing snopes has confirmed that the statements your mentioning had nothing to do with BLM...that came from a completely separate protest in Brooklyn some right wing idiot blogger decided to fool conservatives (not exactly the hardest thing to do) by claiming this was BLM right after cops were killed in Dallas... and everyone ate it up... even Fox News ...who coincidentally, originally showed the real video of the Brooklyn protest 2 years earlier . id suggest doing a bit more research before taking anyone at their words these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: PLEASE don't start me down a road of defending BLM... as I've stated... I'm not a fan of the feminist LGBT organization STILL... even right wing snopes has confirmed that the statements your mentioning had nothing to do with BLM...that came from a completely separate protest in Brooklyn some right wing idiot blogger decided to fool conservatives (not exactly the hardest thing to do) by claiming this was BLM right after cops were killed in Dallas... and everyone ate it up... even Fox News ...who coincidentally, originally showed the real video of the Brooklyn protest 2 years earlier . id suggest doing a bit more research before taking anyone at their words these days "right wing" snopes? You're joking, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm a little confused why there are statues for men who committed treason and declared war against the United States I mean this 🇺🇸 Is not their flag in fact they wanted this flag destroyed so why are there statues for them 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Legally they are not traitors. They were granted pardons by the US Govt and are in fact considered US military veterans under our law. Done in order to help bind the nation's wounds after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War the legality of secession was debated, and many put loyalty to their state higher than loyalty to the Union. The Civil War resolved those debates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, Bormio said: Legally they are not traitors. They were granted pardons by the US Govt and are in fact considered US military veterans under our law. Done in order to help bind the nation's wounds after the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War the legality of secession was debated, and many put loyalty to their state higher than loyalty to the Union. The Civil War resolved those debates. The pouring of the sugar coat doesn't change the fact they declared war on this 🇺🇸 Flag so why do these men deserve statues? They are traitors by definition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ararar said: The pouring of the sugar coat doesn't change the fact they declared war on this 🇺🇸 Flag so why do these men deserve statues? They are traitors by definition Because the members of the Confederate armies fought valiantly and bravely for what they believed were their rights under the US constitution. They gave "the last full measure of devotion" as much as any Union soldier. I understand today we see their cause as immoral and unjust. But we are applying today's moral standards to a different time - the institution of slavery was originally enshrined in our Constitution because it was not universally seen as immoral - by people on both sides. And there were Confederates who abhorred slavery. The troops at the end of the war had great respect for those on the other side - evidenced by reunions in later years that included both Yankees and Rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/grant.winger1/posts/10212393666709631 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Bormio said: Because the members of the Confederate armies fought valiantly and bravely for what they believed were their rights under the US constitution. They gave "the last full measure of devotion" as much as any Union soldier. I understand today we see their cause as immoral and unjust. But we are applying today's moral standards to a different time - the institution of slavery was originally enshrined in our Constitution because it was not universally seen as immoral - by people on both sides. And there were Confederates who abhorred slavery. The troops at the end of the war had great respect for those on the other side - evidenced by reunions in later years that included both Yankees and Rebels. I don't care why they declared war on the United States 🇺🇸 and it maters not what measures they gave.The fact they did is the very definition of treason which in my mind would exclude you from statues.If they respected them means nothing.Many veterans of wars had respect for the enemy and even met with them years later do those enemies deserve statues here as well? Why do these men deserve exception? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, thc6795 said: https://www.facebook.com/grant.winger1/posts/10212393666709631 Not on Facebook what is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 So you don't think there should be statues - fine. Many do not agree with you. It is a free country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Bormio said: So you don't think there should be statues - fine. Many do not agree with you. It is a free country. I don't think men who declare war on the United States while simultaneously committing treason deserve statues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Ararar said: I don't think men who declare war on the United States while simultaneously committing treason deserve statues The men who actually fought the war resolved this a long time ago. But if you want to keep fighting the Civil War, have at it. It seems rather pointless to the majority of Americans, including many African-Americans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just now, Bormio said: The men who actually fought the war resolved this a long time ago. But if you want to keep fighting the Civil War, have at it. It seems rather pointless to the majority of Americans, including many African-Americans. I'm not fighting any war or remotely reliving it.I asked a question Because it seems extraordinarily odd there are statues for a treasonous enemy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, thc6795 said: Disgusting cowards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ararar said: I'm not fighting any war or remotely reliving it.I asked a question Because it seems extraordinarily odd there are statues for a treasonous enemy They were Americans before the war AND Americans after it. Their descendants wished to honor their sacrifice. They could care less if you think it is odd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Bormio said: They were Americans before the war AND Americans after it. Their descendants wished to honor their sacrifice. They could care less if you think it is odd. Ah, but not American during and forced Americans after and their descendants caring or not doesn't make it any less strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Anyway I enjoyed the debate Bormio get some sleep man it late/ early there isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_e Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 4:32 PM, Bormio said: The new Left - you have rights if we say you have rights. Define your political opponents as terrorists and their rights be damned. BTW, the ACLU has defended the right of the KKK to march for years. During the 1920s, the ACLU expanded its scope to include protecting the free speech rights of artists and striking workers, and working with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) to decrease racism and discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_e Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Racism and discrimination, everything the KKK and neo Nazis was founded on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Jesus now horses are offensive! This has gotten ridiculous. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-traveler-20170818-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Dude on point. When we going to ban COTTON shirts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Cossacks said: Jesus now horses are offensive! This has gotten ridiculous. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-traveler-20170818-story.html Where does it end? I think the donkey mascot of the DNC is offensive to Mexicans ban that shit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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