Columbiafan Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I’m talking on the road instate. As an example desoto plays Permian for the first time ever taking a 700 mile rd trip bus ride is stressful, period. Long travel like this happens during the playoffs and teams spend the night on the road too. That’s stressful in many ways. 700 miles on a bus would probably feel like a oos game But that's what happens when the state is so large as TX is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: 700 miles on a bus would probably feel like a oos game But that's what happens when the state is so large as TX is And that’s my only point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ararar said: Ok I agree with that but I’m talking on the national scale Of course there are nuances, but I don’t think it all that much matters crossing over an imaginary state line. It’s all ground and territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Theres a lot that goes into a football game, its not all black & white ... As you should know Ive seen you twist yourself in knots explaining why STA really didnt lose to DBP 24-7 I've already won because you're lying and changing the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Based on what? Based on the exact same amount of evidence that was presented to prove that Colquitt had depth. And also that Mater Dei was a buzzsaw that only played their starters for 2.5 quarters a game and therefore had tons of reps for their 2's and 3's. Colquitt failed to put a running clock in 13 of their 15 games. They lost 4 games overall and were scrambling to either come back or win a lot of close games. Where the hell were their backups and "depth" getting any reps in this scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Mater Deis ONE good season? 2017 was an elite team. 2016 was a pretty good team. 2016, 2017 and 2018 Mater Dei would destroy Colquitt's 1's, 2's and JV's. Try being a grown up for one day, ECHS05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: So I'll pose to you the same question I did to Guccifer. Of those 105, how much of it is quality depth. They are a program in talent rich county. They blowout a lot of teams and get reps for a lot of their backups. Again, what ass are you pulling this analysis from? It's one of the stupidest things that anybody has ever said on this forum and there's a lot of competition for that title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: You know, how many in the second rotation will be next year's starters. How many are 3 and 4 stars laying in wait in your opinion? Their 2's and 3's play more meaningful snaps than Colquitt's. And their successor teams (2016, 2017, 2018) win more games and more championships than Colquitt's do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: Ok so we can consider them a great depth school then. We got them covered. What about the rest? HAHA! It was very easy to move Hawg of of his spectacularly dumb stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Guccifer said: HAHA! It was very easy to move Hawg of of his spectacularly dumb stance. I’m going to agree here.Im sure Colquitt plays a lot of kids but their team isn’t on par with the MD,SJB and BG of the world.These teams are elite and crush most teams which allows for plenty of playing time for all which cultivates their depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ararar said: I’m going to agree here.Im sure Colquitt plays a lot of kids but their team isn’t on par with the MD,SJB and BG of the world.These teams are elite and crush most teams which allows for plenty of playing time for all which cultivates their depth Sir....how do you know? Aren't you just giving your opine? Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Of course there are nuances, but I don’t think it all that much matters crossing over an imaginary state line. It’s all ground and territory. It’s all ground and territory that Texas never crosses so we have no idea the effect.I believe if Trinity played Bellevue in Texas they win that game just like I believe if Trinity played DLS in California they lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ararar said: It’s all ground and territory that Texas never crosses so we have no idea the effect.I believe if Trinity played Bellevue in Texas they win that game just like I believe if Trinity played DLS in California they lose Texas would win some and lose some just like they do here in Tx. It really is not any more complicated than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Rufus69 said: Sir....how do you know? Aren't you just giving your opine? Rufus>> If the consensus is my opinion than yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ararar said: If the consensus is my opinion than yes You didn't answer before on my edit. You say that there is a 4 star and six 3 stars players that are juniors. Are they on the second rotation? Or are they current starters? Again, if they are second rotation sitting behind others then I bow to SJB's immense depth. I doubt they are "depth" players though. I would be amazed if that many star guys are sitting in second rotation. After all of that, there is no proof your depth is any better than Colquitt's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 So here we are. In the end of ends, guy tried to pull a quick one on me. Saying a 4 star guy and 6 3 star guys in next year's class equates to more depth. I don't think those guys are depth guys. Not in the land of transfers. There aren't that many guys with that many stars on their recruiting profiles coming in as fill ins for the starters. I call bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: So here we are. In the end of ends, guy tried to pull a quick one on me. Saying a 4 star guy and 6 3 star guys in next year's class equates to more depth. I don't think those guys are depth guys. Not in the land of transfers. There aren't that many guys with that many stars on their recruiting profiles coming in as fill ins for the starters. I call bullshit. Good lord Hawg, were they starting last year as sophomores to? Just stop.Im sure a few will start this year but not all and I didn’t even list 2* kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Ararar said: If the consensus is my opinion than yes Whose consensus? Cali's consensus? Durn sure ain't my consensus. Anybody can beat anybody...if they don't actually play them. Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Rufus69 said: Whose consensus? Cali's consensus? Durn sure ain't my consensus. Anybody can beat anybody...if they don't actually play them. Rufus>> Of course Just like saying lowndes could beat the 72 dolphins in their prime just because they don't play Only problem is most people will think you on drugs 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said: You didn't answer before on my edit. You say that there is a 4 star and six 3 stars players that are juniors. Are they on the second rotation? Or are they current starters? Again, if they are second rotation sitting behind others then I bow to SJB's immense depth. I doubt they are "depth" players though. I would be amazed if that many star guys are sitting in second rotation. After all of that, there is no proof your depth is any better than Colquitt's. Since when does stars prove depth Stars are based on college potential not high school ability That's why we have seen unranked players become successful before while 5 stars turned into busts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Since when does stars prove depth Stars are based on college potential not high school ability That's why we have seen unranked players become successful before while 5 stars turned into busts They don't prove depth. But for the sake of this debate, it's all we have to go by. Fella is trying to tell me that SJB has a 4 star and 6 3 stars sat on the bench waiting to come in for relief of the starters. Then telling me to stop. Dammit man. Anyway, everyone is trying to move me off of my original contention that depth schools (generally the large publics) are mostly undervalued in the polls. I never claimed Colquitt would beat SJB or MD at all, which seems to be what these guys are arguing that I'm saying. Let me type it out very slow for the dense and weary... T h e d e p t h s c h o o l s ( g e n e r a l l y ) t h e l a r g e p u b l i c s , a r e m o s t l y u n d e r v a l u e d i n t h e p o l l s. D e p t h , i n m y o p i n i o n t r u m p s t a l e n t o v e r t h e c o u r s e o f a g a m e w h e n b o t h t e a m s h a v e g o o d s t a r t e r s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: They don't prove depth. But for the sake of this debate, it's all we have to go by. Fella is trying to tell me that SJB has a 4 star and 6 3 stars sat on the bench waiting to come in for relief of the starters. Then telling me to stop. Dammit man. Anyway, everyone is trying to move me off of my original contention that depth schools (generally the large publics) are mostly undervalued in the polls. I never claimed Colquitt would beat SJB or MD at all, which seems to be what these guys are arguing that I'm saying. Let me type it out very slow for the dense and weary... T h e d e p t h s c h o o l s ( g e n e r a l l y ) t h e l a r g e p u b l i c s , a r e m o s t l y u n d e r v a l u e d i n t h e p o l l s. D e p t h , i n m y o p i n i o n t r u m p s t a l e n t o v e r t h e c o u r s e o f a g a m e w h e n b o t h t e a m s h a v e g o o d s t a r t e r s. A pool could be deep but if all the water is junk it doesn’t matter how deep the pool is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 10:14 AM, Columbiafan said: AHP had to bus all the way up there and play in hostile territory Wouldn't have been that close in SFL Finally!!! Somebody with some sense!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 23 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: Anyway, either Colquitt's depth kept them in a game with a top 10 in the country team, or, that team wasn't top 10 as Guccifer says. Either way my argument is still pretty solid. I contend that teams with pretty rosters are receiving elevated rankings above and beyond depth teams, and that this phenomenon is also causing issues with the S.O.S. ratings that teams receive for playing these pretty roster schools. Combined, these issues are distorting the polls imo. It's evidenced by numerous pretty roster teams riding high having not played any of the top depth schools. Can you give me 2 examples of a team being ranked becasue their team is "pretty", but lacks depth? And 2 vice versa? I think this would be a better way to approach what your thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Based on what? Mater Deis ONE good season? 2017 was an elite team. 2016 was a pretty good team. Before that they were just another team on the fringe. Having 1 elite season doesnt mean all THAT much. Before 2016 Mater Dei was just another team, I know even you don't really believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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