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13 minutes ago, nptb17 said:

Because Rb's for STA have been known to be bums in the past?  

STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports.,

https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/

https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/

https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/

 

North Shore's QB and RBs

4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone

5* RB with offers from everyone

3* RB Arkansas commit

 

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Obviously, the rankings list is heavily dependent on looking up recruits by school in 247's database and by copying Maxpreps' schedules.(They have the same omission in Lakeland's schedule as Maxpreps had until yesterday, leaving off the Superior Collegiate team that plays St. Frances the week after). I don't blame them for taking this approach. But, it is disappointing that this work gets published by USA Today, whereas any of us keyboard warriors could replicate the work. 

STA looks VERY good through a search of recruits in 247. And, they have a schedule that absolutely is MNC worthy should they go undefeated. So, that's the defense of them being #1.

As I mentioned in a previous topic I started, the real variable lies in the quality of "zero star" players. There are more of those than any other kind in prep football. And information/evaluation of those players (and often those with 2 and sometimes even 3 stars) is severely lacking. There are "zero star" players who, on a HS football field at the age of ~17, can flat whip players with several stars. Players who have no stars because their height precludes them from ever being able to build the kind of body to compete with the fully developed grown men in their 20s and 30s. And then there are zero star players with absolutely zero athleticism that can sometimes be found "hidden" on the field for high profile teams. And, let's not forget, your grandmother also has zero stars in 247 🤡

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8 minutes ago, RedZone said:

STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports.,

https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/

https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/

https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/

 

North Shore's QB and RBs

4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone

5* RB with offers from everyone

3* RB Arkansas commit

 

Brewton listed as 5'7" 167 and did pretty much nothing last year. How is he 3*? I think this kind of rating is telling. And I think it relates to what Los Guru has been telling everyone here for a while: HS coaches and school staffs can do A LOT to get players publicity or not. STA's staff has likely done quite a bit to get this kid the 247 profile and 3*. Good for them. But, should also serve as a warning to those of us trying to evaluate teams based on 247 listings.

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46 minutes ago, MC Rockets said:

I feel this was partly due to boost ESPN kickoff weekend ratings. USAT is the poll they use for their games. 

To have:

1. STA vs DLS

4. SJB vs 20. DeMatha

6. SFA vs 15. MC

and 14. Narboone

6 ranked teams playing in two days on their network is nice for ratings. $$$$$$

But what do I know?

Probably right. It's hard to know exactly what kinds of overlaps in self interest may exist for those publishing rankings lists. But, there are folks who like to make a name for themselves with producing made for TV games who benefit if the teams in those games are ranked highly. Assuming you are correct about ESPN, it's going to be, uh, interesting to watch the DLS-STA game and see/hear the broadcast team referring to STA as the number 1 team in the nation for three hours.

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20 minutes ago, RedZone said:

STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports.,

https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/

https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/

https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/

 

North Shore's QB and RBs

4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone

5* RB with offers from everyone

3* RB Arkansas commit

 

What does a star ranking have to do with what someone does on a field?  When has STA not had a solid rb?  Their qb play has been known to be shaky at times but they've always been fine at rb.

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2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Plus STA traditionally loses their first game when ranked #1.

If by traditionally you mean one time then you'd be correct.

2009: STA 52, Upper Arlington (OH) 7

2014: STA 38, American Heritage 7

2016: Booker T. Washington 27, STA 23

Next time you get something right, which will be the first, we'll be sure to claim that sammyswordsman is traditionally a straight-shooter. 

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1 minute ago, nptb17 said:

What does a star ranking have to do with what someone does on a field?  When has STA not had a solid rb?  Their qb play has been known to be shaky at times but they've always been fine at rb.

The star rankings appear to have everything to do with how the writer determined this rankings list. It's just about all he mentioned, either through naming starred players or through mentioning units lacking starred players.

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53 minutes ago, The Guru said:

If by traditionally you mean one time then you'd be correct.

2009: STA 52, Upper Arlington (OH) 7

2014: STA 38, American Heritage 7

2016: Booker T. Washington 27, STA 23

Next time you get something right, which will be the first, we'll be sure to claim that sammyswordsman is traditionally a straight-shooter. 

I should have clarified that STA traditionally loses their first "relevant" game.....

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7 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

I should have clarified that STA traditionally loses their first "relevant" game.....

You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right.

So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant.

Keep polishing that turd, sammy.

 

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5 minutes ago, The Guru said:

You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right.

So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant.

Keep polishing that turd, sammy.

 

Those games might be relevant in Fla, but not for this National board.  Posters are expected to limit their game references to "relevant" games.   Somewhat surprised that a clarification was necessary, but understandably some posters need things spelled out, so thank you for reminding me that there are visitors from local boards who need their hands held.

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1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Those games might be relevant in Fla, but not for this National board.  Posters are expected to limit their game references to "relevant" games.   Somewhat surprised that a clarification was necessary, but understandably some posters need things spelled out, so thank you for reminding me that there are visitors from local boards who need their hands held.

Yet you and others are the ones who were pumping up American Heritage all these years. Telling us that their games against Bishop Sullivan were relevant but not their games against STA when they got a running clock put on them.

I'm pretty sure the Upper Arlington game was relevant in Ohio where, you know, the game took place.

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11 minutes ago, The Guru said:

You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right.

So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant.

Keep polishing that turd, sammy.

 

The fact you trying to make a game against Upper Arlington (whoever the hell that is) into a relevant game just because they threw it on ESPN (who cares more about propping up their ESPN 300 than picking the best games or programs) shows just how much a dumbass you are

 

Take your L and give me your lunch money little joke boy

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1 minute ago, The Guru said:

Yet you and others are the ones who were pumping up American Heritage all these years. Telling us that their games against Bishop Sullivan were relevant but not their games against STA when they got a running clock put on them.

I'm pretty sure the Upper Arlington game was relevant in Ohio where, you know, the game took place.

Plenty of games are relevant on a state level

 

Don't make them relevant on a national level and if they aren't nationally relevant why should they be broadcasted on a nationally televised network like ESPN??

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3 hours ago, RedZone said:

STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports.,

https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/

https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/

https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/

 

North Shore's QB and RBs

4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone

5* RB with offers from everyone

3* RB Arkansas commit

 

Yeah but 247 is not updated.   They are even missing players completely.

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