Rufus69 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 No Lowndes. Tsk...Tsk...Tsk... Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, RedZone said: If STA had North Shore's QB and RBs USA Today might could justify that #1. They don't. Because Rb's for STA have been known to be bums in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, nptb17 said: Because Rb's for STA have been known to be bums in the past? STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports., https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/ https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/ https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/ North Shore's QB and RBs 4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone 5* RB with offers from everyone 3* RB Arkansas commit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 I have STA ranked highly in my poll (#5) because they should have one of the best defenses in the nation and they do have an excellent OL that could offset question marks at QB and RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Obviously, the rankings list is heavily dependent on looking up recruits by school in 247's database and by copying Maxpreps' schedules.(They have the same omission in Lakeland's schedule as Maxpreps had until yesterday, leaving off the Superior Collegiate team that plays St. Frances the week after). I don't blame them for taking this approach. But, it is disappointing that this work gets published by USA Today, whereas any of us keyboard warriors could replicate the work. STA looks VERY good through a search of recruits in 247. And, they have a schedule that absolutely is MNC worthy should they go undefeated. So, that's the defense of them being #1. As I mentioned in a previous topic I started, the real variable lies in the quality of "zero star" players. There are more of those than any other kind in prep football. And information/evaluation of those players (and often those with 2 and sometimes even 3 stars) is severely lacking. There are "zero star" players who, on a HS football field at the age of ~17, can flat whip players with several stars. Players who have no stars because their height precludes them from ever being able to build the kind of body to compete with the fully developed grown men in their 20s and 30s. And then there are zero star players with absolutely zero athleticism that can sometimes be found "hidden" on the field for high profile teams. And, let's not forget, your grandmother also has zero stars in 247 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, RedZone said: STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports., https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/ https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/ https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/ North Shore's QB and RBs 4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone 5* RB with offers from everyone 3* RB Arkansas commit Brewton listed as 5'7" 167 and did pretty much nothing last year. How is he 3*? I think this kind of rating is telling. And I think it relates to what Los Guru has been telling everyone here for a while: HS coaches and school staffs can do A LOT to get players publicity or not. STA's staff has likely done quite a bit to get this kid the 247 profile and 3*. Good for them. But, should also serve as a warning to those of us trying to evaluate teams based on 247 listings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, MC Rockets said: I feel this was partly due to boost ESPN kickoff weekend ratings. USAT is the poll they use for their games. To have: 1. STA vs DLS 4. SJB vs 20. DeMatha 6. SFA vs 15. MC and 14. Narboone 6 ranked teams playing in two days on their network is nice for ratings. $$$$$$ But what do I know? Probably right. It's hard to know exactly what kinds of overlaps in self interest may exist for those publishing rankings lists. But, there are folks who like to make a name for themselves with producing made for TV games who benefit if the teams in those games are ranked highly. Assuming you are correct about ESPN, it's going to be, uh, interesting to watch the DLS-STA game and see/hear the broadcast team referring to STA as the number 1 team in the nation for three hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Interesting conundrum. I certainly don't think STA should be #1. But I don't want anyone else to be either. 1 1 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, RedZone said: STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports., https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/ https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/ https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/ North Shore's QB and RBs 4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone 5* RB with offers from everyone 3* RB Arkansas commit What does a star ranking have to do with what someone does on a field? When has STA not had a solid rb? Their qb play has been known to be shaky at times but they've always been fine at rb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Plus STA traditionally loses their first game when ranked #1. If by traditionally you mean one time then you'd be correct. 2009: STA 52, Upper Arlington (OH) 7 2014: STA 38, American Heritage 7 2016: Booker T. Washington 27, STA 23 Next time you get something right, which will be the first, we'll be sure to claim that sammyswordsman is traditionally a straight-shooter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, nptb17 said: What does a star ranking have to do with what someone does on a field? When has STA not had a solid rb? Their qb play has been known to be shaky at times but they've always been fine at rb. The star rankings appear to have everything to do with how the writer determined this rankings list. It's just about all he mentioned, either through naming starred players or through mentioning units lacking starred players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, nptb17 said: What does a star ranking have to do with what someone does on a field? OK, what have they done on the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, The Guru said: If by traditionally you mean one time then you'd be correct. 2009: STA 52, Upper Arlington (OH) 7 2014: STA 38, American Heritage 7 2016: Booker T. Washington 27, STA 23 Next time you get something right, which will be the first, we'll be sure to claim that sammyswordsman is traditionally a straight-shooter. I should have clarified that STA traditionally loses their first "relevant" game..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: I should have clarified that STA traditionally loses their first "relevant" game..... You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right. So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant. Keep polishing that turd, sammy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Guru said: You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right. So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant. Keep polishing that turd, sammy. Those games might be relevant in Fla, but not for this National board. Posters are expected to limit their game references to "relevant" games. Somewhat surprised that a clarification was necessary, but understandably some posters need things spelled out, so thank you for reminding me that there are visitors from local boards who need their hands held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said: Those games might be relevant in Fla, but not for this National board. Posters are expected to limit their game references to "relevant" games. Somewhat surprised that a clarification was necessary, but understandably some posters need things spelled out, so thank you for reminding me that there are visitors from local boards who need their hands held. Yet you and others are the ones who were pumping up American Heritage all these years. Telling us that their games against Bishop Sullivan were relevant but not their games against STA when they got a running clock put on them. I'm pretty sure the Upper Arlington game was relevant in Ohio where, you know, the game took place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, The Guru said: You didn't need to clarify anything. You just needed to get your facts right. So now games that are a part of the ESPN Geico High School Kickoff (Upper Arlington) and games against nationally-ranked opponents (American Heritage) are not relevant. Keep polishing that turd, sammy. The fact you trying to make a game against Upper Arlington (whoever the hell that is) into a relevant game just because they threw it on ESPN (who cares more about propping up their ESPN 300 than picking the best games or programs) shows just how much a dumbass you are Take your L and give me your lunch money little joke boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The Guru said: Yet you and others are the ones who were pumping up American Heritage all these years. Telling us that their games against Bishop Sullivan were relevant but not their games against STA when they got a running clock put on them. I'm pretty sure the Upper Arlington game was relevant in Ohio where, you know, the game took place. Plenty of games are relevant on a state level Don't make them relevant on a national level and if they aren't nationally relevant why should they be broadcasted on a nationally televised network like ESPN?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 That's what local television broadcasting is for The "locally relevant" games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 People on here still read the USAT poll? I figured that poll was pretty much only followed or cared about by people that didn't know any better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said: People on here still read the USAT poll? I figured that poll was pretty much only followed or cared about by people that didn't know any better. I read it to bash it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Sounds like ESPN picking game to showcase the ESPN 300 instead of actually picking the best games What u mean like they been doing since you were in pampers oh oh no say it ain’t soo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Why does SJB get home games against three east coast teams in dematha, don bosco, and OLGC? Figure they would travel the 3,000 miles for ONE of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 At least they left DLS off the list. But they went full retard by including the likes of Narbonne, Saguaro, MLK, and others. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 3 hours ago, RedZone said: STA's QB and RBs have zero D1 offers combined per 247sports., https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Dean-46076861/ https://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Brewton-46081719/ https://247sports.com/Player/Khalid-Shakir-46081929/ North Shore's QB and RBs 4* Dual-threat QB with offers from everyone 5* RB with offers from everyone 3* RB Arkansas commit Yeah but 247 is not updated. They are even missing players completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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