Week 5 Tiers

[The Guru]

Just now, MC Rockets said:

Ok sir! You enjoy the rest of your day.

We'll catch up the next time you have something to post (probably will have to do with STA be over-ranked).

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[MC Rockets]

Just now, The Guru said:

We'll catch up the next time you have something to post (probably will have to do with STA be over-ranked).

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[frankyjames]

10 hours ago, DLS_Spartan said:

Folsom should be tier 3

Spot on. 

These tiers are just lazy. The polls are generally more accurate.

Folsom would spank Servite by 3 TDs. 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

9 minutes ago, frankyjames said:

Spot on. 

These tiers are just lazy. The polls are generally more accurate.

Folsom would spank Servite by 3 TDs. 

Do you ever just stop and think that maybe just maybe.... 

You should shut the fuck up..... 

You are a horrible representative for your  fanbase.

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

We actually had 2 Folsom posters here before and neither of them where as Toxic as you where. 

Matter a fact @DogPile and the other Folsom poster where enjoyable....

They didn't run around dissing everything not related to NorCal.... Even they acknowledged the faults in their area and what not. 

You are just in fucking sufferable. 

[Columbiafan]

15 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, SFA, IMG, Duncanville, STA

 

Tier 2 - Katy, St. Louis (Hi), DeMatha, DLS, SJC, North Shore, Lowndes, SJP, Marietta

 

Tier 3 - OLGC, Bishop Gorman, Colquitt, Grayson, Cen10, Lakeland, Miami Central, Allen, Gonzaga, SJR, Corner Canyon, Longview

 

Tier 4 -   Cathedral Catholic, Saguaro, McEachern, St. Eds, Mentor, Mission Viejo, North Gwinett. Grayson, Lone Peak (UT), Northwestern, Narbonne, West Monroe, Catholic -BR, John Curtis, Valdosta

 

Tier 5 -   Guyer, Buford, Hoover, Trinity* Bergen Catholic, Centennial AZ, Lincoln Way East. East St. Louis, Chandler, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Columbia, SPP, St. X, Colerain

 

 

 

Tier 6  -  Servite, Folsom, DBP, Jserra, Alemeny, Hoban,  

 

 

 

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

No way is STA near 20 points better than Lakeland

 

Either STA needs to drop or Lakeland needs to be higher

[Sammyswordsman]

33 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

No way is STA near 20 points better than Lakeland

 

Either STA needs to drop or Lakeland needs to be higher

Based on what?  I have not data at all on Lakeland.  They prolly shouldn't even be placed in a Tier until they play a Top 100 team

[Rufus69]

Sammy...you were doing OK when you placed Colquitt in Tier 5.  But the "glue sniffing" has obviously altered your perception of reality.  Do I hafta remind you that we got curb-stomped by a Georgia Bush League nobody?

Now I know you're gonna come back with how we beat Grayson's 9th grade (that's what they're saying on the GAVSV)...but shit happens.  Like I told you...our brain-trust is currently trying to find a way to compete with Alcovy (the best team in Covington Ga) who comes into the Hawg Pen next Friday.  It's our Homecoming...so you know we'll be distracted.  If we can beat them guys....we'll look at a possible Tier 4 promotion.

Until then.....

 

 

Rufus>>

[StingMan44]

16 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, SFA, IMG, Duncanville, STA

 

Tier 2 - Katy, St. Louis (Hi), DeMatha, DLS, SJC, North Shore, Lowndes, SJP, Marietta

 

Tier 3 - OLGC, Bishop Gorman, Colquitt, Grayson, Cen10, Lakeland, Miami Central, Allen, Gonzaga, SJR, Corner Canyon, Longview

 

Tier 4 -   Cathedral Catholic, Saguaro, McEachern, St. Eds, Mentor, Mission Viejo, North Gwinett. Grayson, Lone Peak (UT), Northwestern, Narbonne, West Monroe, Catholic -BR, John Curtis, Valdosta

 

Tier 5 -   Guyer, Buford, Hoover, Trinity* Bergen Catholic, Centennial AZ, Lincoln Way East. East St. Louis, Chandler, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Columbia, SPP, St. X, Colerain

 

 

 

Tier 6  -  Servite, Folsom, DBP, Jserra, Alemeny, Hoban,  

 

 

 

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

Chandler and Saguaro should switch places.

[Columbiafan]

19 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Based on what?  I have not data at all on Lakeland.  They prolly shouldn't even be placed in a Tier until they play a Top 100 team

 

And this is where you will run into issues with the tiers

 

The schedule don't make the team, the team makes the team

[ECHS05]

37 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Based on what?  I have not data at all on Lakeland.  They prolly shouldn't even be placed in a Tier until they play a Top 100 team

Based on the fact Lakeland beat STA in the State Title game last year handily. And theyve been performing just as well this season as last with much of the same team.

Theyve also won 21 in a row & 31 of their last 32.

[Sammyswordsman]

23 minutes ago, Rufus69 said:

Sammy...you were doing OK when you placed Colquitt in Tier 5.  But the "glue sniffing" has obviously altered your perception of reality.  Do I hafta remind you that we got curb-stomped by a Georgia Bush League nobody?

Now I know you're gonna come back with how we beat Grayson's 9th grade (that's what they're saying on the GAVSV)...but shit happens.  Like I told you...our brain-trust is currently trying to find a way to compete with Alcovy (the best team in Covington Ga) who comes into the Hawg Pen next Friday.  It's our Homecoming...so you know we'll be distracted.  If we can beat them guys....we'll look at a possible Tier 4 promotion.

Until then.....

 

 

Rufus>>

 

[Sammyswordsman]

2 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

Based on the fact Lakeland beat STA in the State Title game last year handily. And theyve been performing just as well this season as last with much of the same team.

Theyve also won 21 in a row & 31 of their last 32.

  How are the top teams in Ga from last year, doing this year?

[Columbiafan]

43 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Based on what?  I have not data at all on Lakeland.  They prolly shouldn't even be placed in a Tier until they play a Top 100 team

Just watch them bro

 

Most complete team in FL this year

[The Guru]

14 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

Theyve also won 21 in a row & 31 of their last 32.

Longview has also won 21 in row.

Geez, I wonder why?

[Columbiafan]

7 minutes ago, The Guru said:

Longview has also won 21 in row.

Geez, I wonder why?

Do you ever shut up

[Exocet 98]

Interesting, tier 2 DLS and tier 4 Mission Viejo played St Mary's a week apart. DLS was up 28-10 and MV was up 63-0 at halftime. 

[Bodysurf]

14 minutes ago, Exocet 98 said:

Interesting, tier 2 DLS and tier 4 Mission Viejo played St Mary's a week apart. DLS was up 28-10 and MV was up 63-0 at halftime. 

Problem is the best team MV has played so far is La Habra. MV has been dominating and can sleep walk through their league season. They should get the 3rd seed in D1 IMO. I would love to see them play Cen10 or JSerra in the playoffs. Beating either of those teams by a single point gains more credibility than beating St. Mary’s by 60.

[dntn31]

38 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Problem is the best team DLS has beat so far is Folsom. DLS has been dominating and can sleep walk through their league season. They should get like 7 byes in nor Cal's sham excuse of a playoff. I would love to see them play Cen10 or JSerra in the playoffs. Beating either of those teams by a single point gains more credibility than beating St. Mary’s by 40.

Let's see, why yes that seemed to work pretty well. 😂

[Cal 14]

Helix's win over Cathedral Catholic seemed like an anomaly at the time... perhaps a hangover on the Dons' part.

However, the Highlanders are actually now looking like the class of the SDS and have addressed whatever the issue was against Herriman, who doesn't look terrible at 6-1.  I think Helix should be borderline tier 5/6.

Also, Cathedral Catholic, despite the win over Centennial should be no higher than tier 5, in my opinion, but probably in 6.

[The Guru]

1 hour ago, ECHS05 said:

Based on the fact Lakeland beat STA in the State Title game last year handily. And theyve been performing just as well this season as last with much of the same team.

By the way, Alabama is now #1 in the AP Poll and they deserve it. Why? Because they've performed better than Clemson so far this year.

If they play again and Lakeland wins again then tip of the cap. But otherwise the pollsters are under no obligation to rank them over somebody simply because they beat them last year.

[Exocet 98]

1 hour ago, Bodysurf said:

Problem is the best team MV has played so far is La Habra. MV has been dominating and can sleep walk through their league season. They should get the 3rd seed in D1 IMO. I would love to see them play Cen10 or JSerra in the playoffs. Beating either of those teams by a single point gains more credibility than beating St. Mary’s by 60.

The point I was making is that MD or SJB will take note if either advance to face DLS in the SBG.

[badrouter]

2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Based on what?  I have not data at all on Lakeland.  They prolly shouldn't even be placed in a Tier until they play a Top 100 team

And Clemson shouldn't be ranked in the top 50 of college football, either. 

[badrouter]

6 minutes ago, The Guru said:

By the way, Alabama is now #1 in the AP Poll and they deserve it. Why? Because they've performed better than Clemson so far this year.

If they play again and Lakeland wins again then tip of the cap. But otherwise the pollsters are under no obligation to rank them over somebody simply because they beat them last year.

Using the logic of the board, Clemson (and even Alabama) would be COMPLETELY unranked. Neither has beaten anyone. And Clemson had a 1 point escape over a team that's lost to Wake Forest and Appalachian State. (I just spelled that correctly after 4 beers). The board wouldn't have either in the top couple of tiers using the same reasoning. Of course, even the geeks here realize those two belong right at or near the top.

[The Guru]

5 minutes ago, badrouter said:

Using the logic of the board, Clemson (and even Alabama) would be COMPLETELY unranked. Neither has beaten anyone. And Clemson had a 1 point escape over a team that's lost to Wake Forest and Appalachian State. (I just spelled that correctly after 4 beers). The board wouldn't have either in the top couple of tiers using the same reasoning. Of course, even the geeks here realize those two belong right at or near the top.

Your post is no less lame than usual.

We're talking about scales that are an order of magnitude different. There are 130 FBS teams and 14,000 high school teams.

And there are probably more than 10,000 of those high schools that are incompetent. No better than club level with kids just running around on a field.

North Carolina, on the other hand, is totally competent and capable of giving even one of the best teams trouble on a given day.