Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, Longview, St. Louis (Hi). IMG, DLS Tier 3 – Lowndes, Allen, Chandler, Punahu, Lakeland, McEachern, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, DeMatha, Mentor*, Servite*, St. Eds*, Colquitt, ,SJC* Tier 4 - Westlake , Lincoln Way East, CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP*, Northwestern, SJP, SPP, Marietta. Grayson, John Curtis*, Elder Tier 5 - Buford, JSerra, East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Cathedral Catholic, Corner Canyon (UT), Hoban, Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Narbonne, Mission Viejo, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, West Monroe. Pick Central, Rummel. Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Columbia, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, Colerain, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Bergen Catholic, Valdosta. SJR Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, *- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 After the past week, it is becoming apparent that 3 teams are a clear Tier above the rest. These three would probably be the only teams that could paste an "L" on the other. While SJB took a loss, the certainly aquitted themselves better than any other team has vs Mater Dei. Barring the turnover inside the 10 on the last series, this was a 1 score game. This solves the the Tier 1 conundrum, and pushes the next group into a solid Tier 2. STA and Duncanville drop to Tier 2 due to lethargic performances mainly due to a piss poor schedule. DLS hangs on to Tier 2 by keeping their focus playing stupid teams, but winning impressively. IMG is probably the best team in Tier 2 at this point in the season. Tier 3 has some excellent programs, with only Servite being a borderline team, but with a 1 point loss to an excellent SJB team, it is hard to deny them a Tier 3 spot. Lowndes is in Tier 3 due to not looking good in their highlights but has a chance to prove us wrong this week against fellow Tier 3 Colquitt. The winner of this game moves up to Tier 2, which is about as high as any team not currently in Tier 1 could hope for. Although Duncanville can make it back to Tier 1 by winning the 6A State Championship. The Top Ohio Schools are back in Tier 3 mainly because we couldn't see Servite a Tier above Ohio's best. Lakeland can get to Tier 2 also by winning out. The Tiers are still very high on Dematha and SJC, with the winner of the WCAC having Tier 2 potential. Chandler and Bishop Gorman have registered blowouts albeit against questionable opponnents, and are in Tier 3 with a chance to move up with a Geico win Tier 4 sees the Top BNU teams, with DBP surging after the past 2 weeks. Tier 4 may be a bit high for the Ironmen, but they will have a chance to solidify this placement. SPP is rolling but hasn't really been tested by a team above their pay grade. Tier 5 saw Rummel, plop into it via a less than stellar win this week. Tier 6 caught SJR in a freefall. What is going on with this program? In the running for most regression by any team ever. Dropped out - Folsom got smoked vs the only Top 250 team they played, and then eeked out a 3 point win vs. #273. The devil is who we thought they were. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dntn31 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 2 – Longview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 There is not a 2 tier separation between MV and Cen10 and Servite. In fact, probably not even a one tier separation. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: After the past week, it is becoming apparent that 3 teams are a clear Tier above the rest. These three would probably be the only teams that could paste an "L" on the other. This solves the the Tier 1 conundrum, and pushes the next group into a solid Tier 2. STA and Duncanville drop to Tier 2 due to lethargic performances mainly due to a piss poor schedule. DLS hangs on to Tier 2 by keeping their focus playing stupid teams, but winning impressively. IMG is probably the best team in Tier 2 at this point in the season. Tier 3 has some excellent programs, with only Servite being a borderline team, but with a 1 point loss to an excellent SJB team, it is hard to deny them a Tier 3 spot. Lowndes is in Tier 3 due to not looking good in their highlights but has a chance to prove us wrong this week against fellow Tier 3 Colquitt. The winner of this game moves up to Tier 2, which is about as high as any team not currently in Tier 1 could hope for. Although Duncanville can make it back to Tier 1 by winning the 6A State Championship. The Top Ohio Schools are back in Tier 3 mainly because we couldn't see Servite a Tier above Ohio's best. Lakeland can get to Tier 2 also by winning out. The Tiers are still very high on Dematha and SJC, with the winner of the WCAC having Tier 2 potential. Chandler and Bishop Gorman have registered blowouts albeit against questionable opponnents, and are in Tier 3 with a chance to move up with a Geico win Tier 4 sees the Top BNU teams, with DBP surging after the past 2 weeks. Tier 4 may be a bit high for the Ironmen, but they will have a chance to solidify this placement. SPP is rolling but hasn't really been tested by a team above their pay grade. Tier 5 saw Rummel, plop into it via a less than stellar win this week. Tier 6 caught SJR in a freefall. What is going on with this program? In the running for most regression by any team ever. Dropped out - Folsom got smoked vs the only Top 250 team they played, and then eeked out a 3 point win vs. #273. The devil is who we thought they were. What do you look for in a highlight reel to distinguish between looking good and not looking good? Did the "crowd" here relay that they didn't look good, thus necessitating the change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, badrouter said: What do you look for in a highlight reel to distinguish between looking good and not looking good? Did the "crowd" here relay that they didn't look good, thus necessitating the change? Yes. In this case the "crowd" was you. You said they didn't look good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, dntn31 said: There is not a 2 tier separation between MV and Cen10 and Servite. In fact, probably not even a one tier separation. I am not sold on Mission Viejo. Don't currently have any reason to think they can stay within 2 TD of Cen10 or Servite. Look at their SM game result. The rest of their schedule is just bad. Their marquee win San Clemente only beat Edison by 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 @dntn31 What is your issue with Longview? They are ranked in Top 5 in Texas by Dave Cambell. All other ranking services have them in the Tier 2 level. They have been improving weekly. They slaughtered Rockwall who in turn beat Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREYHOUNDALUM Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: After the past week, it is becoming apparent that 3 teams are a clear Tier above the rest. These three would probably be the only teams that could paste an "L" on the other. While SJB took a loss, the certainly aquitted themselves better than any other team has vs Mater Dei. Barring the turnover inside the 10 on the last series, this was a 1 score game. This solves the the Tier 1 conundrum, and pushes the next group into a solid Tier 2. STA and Duncanville drop to Tier 2 due to lethargic performances mainly due to a piss poor schedule. DLS hangs on to Tier 2 by keeping their focus playing stupid teams, but winning impressively. IMG is probably the best team in Tier 2 at this point in the season. Tier 3 has some excellent programs, with only Servite being a borderline team, but with a 1 point loss to an excellent SJB team, it is hard to deny them a Tier 3 spot. Lowndes is in Tier 3 due to not looking good in their highlights but has a chance to prove us wrong this week against fellow Tier 3 Colquitt. The winner of this game moves up to Tier 2, which is about as high as any team not currently in Tier 1 could hope for. Although Duncanville can make it back to Tier 1 by winning the 6A State Championship. The Top Ohio Schools are back in Tier 3 mainly because we couldn't see Servite a Tier above Ohio's best. Lakeland can get to Tier 2 also by winning out. The Tiers are still very high on Dematha and SJC, with the winner of the WCAC having Tier 2 potential. Chandler and Bishop Gorman have registered blowouts albeit against questionable opponnents, and are in Tier 3 with a chance to move up with a Geico win Tier 4 sees the Top BNU teams, with DBP surging after the past 2 weeks. Tier 4 may be a bit high for the Ironmen, but they will have a chance to solidify this placement. SPP is rolling but hasn't really been tested by a team above their pay grade. Tier 5 saw Rummel, plop into it via a less than stellar win this week. Tier 6 caught SJR in a freefall. What is going on with this program? In the running for most regression by any team ever. Dropped out - Folsom got smoked vs the only Top 250 team they played, and then eeked out a 3 point win vs. #273. The devil is who we thought they were. You have a major disdain for Gonzaga I see. You’re high on DeMatha, but Gonzaga not only beat them, but was beating them handily until DeMatha made it interesting at the end of the game. Only game Gonzaga lost, was a 4OT game to a Rival. I understand, you saw them in person and didn’t like the team. But as I’ve always said to you, results matter more than anything. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: STA and Duncanville drop to Tier 2 due to lethargic performances mainly due to a piss poor schedule. STA was up 42-0 in the 2nd quarter while playing only seniors the whole night (except QB) because it was Senior Night. Not sure they could've done any better. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Guru said: STA was up 42-0 in the 2nd quarter while playing only seniors the whole night (except QB) because it was Senior Night. Not sure they could've done any better. Not referring to that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: Not referring to that game. Oh, you mean the 28-7 "struggle" the week before. Cool. But you didn't actually drop them after that performance. You did that today. 👌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, GREYHOUNDALUM said: You have a major disdain for Gonzaga I see. You’re high on DeMatha, but Gonzaga not only beat them, but was beating them handily until DeMatha made it interesting at the end of the game. Only game Gonzaga lost, was a 4OT game to a Rival. I understand, you saw them in person and didn’t like the team. But as I’ve always said to you, results matter more than anything. Gonzaga also struggled against a DBP team that I saw in person and was shocked by had much they fell off compared to past DBP teams. I don' t think they would beat DeMatha in a rematch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, The Guru said: Oh, you mean the 28-7 "struggle" the week before. Cool. But you didn't actually drop them after that performance. You did that today. 👌 They were put on probation after that game, and then last weeks results featuring MD, SJB, and SFA elevated those teams too much to keep STA and the others in Tier 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said: They were put on probation after that game, and then last weeks results featuring MD, SJB, and SFA elevated those teams too much to keep STA and the others in Tier 1. 1-point win over Servite = no probation 14-point loss to Mater Dei = elevates them 👌 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, dntn31 said: I think LV would compete well with any of the teams in Tier 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Guru said: 1-point win over Servite = no probation 14-point loss to Mater Dei = elevates them 👌 You must not have watched the game on Fri nite. Any one who watched the game could see the quality of those two teams was significantly better than the Tier 2 teams. STA had a great travel OOS win in a hostile environment at DLS. But since then where is the beef? The SJB Servite game was an outlier in that SJB was pretty dominant, but was homered by some bad calls which supressed SJB's point totals 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Yes. In this case the "crowd" was you. You said they didn't look good I haven't watched any Lowndes highlights this year, so I have no clue about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: I wouldn't say that at all. If MD played more disciplined and were able to control their emotions, they would've won by 35+. The rematch won't be as close as the first game IMO. Therefore, SJB will eventually be T2 and I'm OK with that long-term. Lol. You predict the rematch won’t be as close as a game actually played so thus SJB should be bumped down? Serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, badrouter said: I haven't watched any Lowndes highlights this year, so I have no clue about them. Well...I feel it's my responsibility to clue you in. Lowndes travels to Kingsland Ga to battle the Camden Bluecats in Chris Gilman...and they beat them by 30 points. That sir...is just damn impressive. And that's coming from a diehard Packer fan who REALLY, REALLY doesn't care for the Vikings. Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: @Horsefly @Texasball @thc6795 Do you agree with grouping DV, Katy, NS and LV all together in T2 at this time? I dont agree with anything that dumbass sammy says. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: @Horsefly @Texasball @thc6795 Do you agree with grouping DV, Katy, NS and LV all together in T2 at this time? I believe DV deserves better due to their convincing win over SJC, the soon to be WCAC Champ. Yes, they should all be together. Playoffs will sort stuff out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: @Horsefly @Texasball @thc6795 Do you agree with grouping DV, Katy, NS and LV all together in T2 at this time? I believe DV deserves better due to their convincing win over SJC, the soon to be WCAC Champ. I haven't looked at his stupid tier ranking ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, thc6795 said: I dont agree with anything that dumbass sammy says. #pwned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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