badrouter Posted July 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Wildcat Will said: Common sense is your enemy. Common sense indicates the answers to the questions you’ve danced around. I’m just trying to get you to be honest. Come out and say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, badrouter said: I don’t have a political affiliation. Some people have MAJOR issues with this, 🙄 as it Screws up all their diatribes...... 😝 Funny that I have even seen people be very liberal and others very conservative, and STILL not have any affiliation ....🤔 PS: That REALLY screws up the idiots 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, badrouter said: I don’t have a political affiliation. I’m pretty sure you do, you called me a lefty liar so…. You’re a member of the Obtuse Party. Jut spitballing bgw 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Will Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, badrouter said: Wrong on all counts. And you continue to evade the questions asked several times. A wise man seeks council from wise men. No need for me to indulge lunacy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: I’m pretty sure you do, you called me a lefty liar so…. You’re a member of the Obtuse Party. Jut spitballing bgw Yet again, you reveal your ignorance. Calling you a leftist in no way suggests I’m on the “right”. I’m not. I’m not a member of any party. As such, any assertions that I am a part of some party is a bald-faced lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said: A wise man seeks council from wise men. No need for me to indulge lunacy. Typical. And gutless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Will Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, badrouter said: Typical. And gutless. Typical for me....yes. And wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinl Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 3:32 PM, badrouter said: But, isn't it true to say that each and every system and structure is systemically, irreparably racist? I would suggest that every black millionaire in this great country, if being truthful, would disagree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cat_Scratch Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Some extremist's will not be satisfied until we have a revaluation and then set themselves up as independent little nations that are ruled by warlords and dictators. I can see it now, there will be a fight for who rules Georgia... https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/africas-top-10-dictators-and-warlords-body-count-included/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said: Some extremist's will not be satisfied until we have a revaluation and then set themselves up as independent little nations that are ruled by warlords and dictators. I can see it now, there will be a fight for who rules Georgia... https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/africas-top-10-dictators-and-warlords-body-count-included/ Yes, if you look at the game plan outlined in “Burn Down the American Plantation”, the idea is to have decentralized, local communities in total control of their area. They want to operate entirely outside of and separate from any sort of national government. You see that with the recent standoff in Massachusetts, where (mostly) black paramilitary group stated they do not recognize the US Government as an authority. https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/07/04/police-name-men-arrested-charges-in-i-95-standoff-in-wakefield/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, badrouter said: Yes, if you look at the game plan outlined in “Burn Down the American Plantation”, the idea is to have decentralized, local communities in total control of their area. They want to operate entirely outside of and separate from any sort of national government. You see that with the recent standoff in Massachusetts, where (mostly) black paramilitary group stated they do not recognize the US Government as an authority. https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/07/04/police-name-men-arrested-charges-in-i-95-standoff-in-wakefield/ No mention of those who actually do go to state capitols armed with the intent of terrorizing? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514 https://deadline.com/2020/12/armed-protesters-enter-oregon-state-capitol-building-assault-police-chemical-agent-1234660385/ https://apnews.com/article/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-indictments-coronavirus-pandemic-traverse-city-10f7e02c57004da9843f89650edd4510 I'm not in support of any armed group regardless of politics. This country has problems no doubt but your fear of history and CRT while ignoring actual attacks on our democracy by unhinged folks who believe in a lie and those elected who voted to stop the peaceful transfer of power is telling. As to capitalism, if you think what we have is a fair system and is sustainable, I think you are wrong. It is not working for the majority of people. Most of the people would be in financial ruin, which can last generations, by just one crisis, either health or career. Meanwhile we have billionaires racing to see who goes to space first. It's not about taking money out of peoples bank accounts and give to lazy people who live off the government. It's about a living wage, health care, education, clean air/water. We can do all these things and will still have very very rich people. The accumulation of wealth is disgusting and those who have it did not get it by merit or by simply working harder. And if you are waiting for them to give back you are going to wait a long time because they are buying ridiculous yachts and going to space. People who work just as hard, if missing a pay check, find themselves in a food line or face eviction. A rising tide lifts all boats right? And this is not a socialist or communist sentiment. There seems to be a dominant thought that when others gain, you lose. Not you personally. That type of thinking is backwards imo. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, World Citizen said: No mention of those who actually do go to state capitols armed with the intent of terrorizing? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514 https://deadline.com/2020/12/armed-protesters-enter-oregon-state-capitol-building-assault-police-chemical-agent-1234660385/ https://apnews.com/article/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-indictments-coronavirus-pandemic-traverse-city-10f7e02c57004da9843f89650edd4510 I'm not in support of any armed group regardless of politics. This country has problems no doubt but your fear of history and CRT while ignoring actual attacks on our democracy by unhinged folks who believe in a lie and those elected who voted to stop the peaceful transfer of power is telling. As to capitalism, if you think what we have is a fair system and is sustainable, I think you are wrong. It is not working for the majority of people. Most of the people would be in financial ruin, which can last generations, by just one crisis, either health or career. Meanwhile we have billionaires racing to see who goes to space first. It's not about taking money out of peoples bank accounts and give to lazy people who live off the government. It's about a living wage, health care, education, clean air/water. We can do all these things and will still have very very rich people. The accumulation of wealth is disgusting and those who have it did not get it by merit or by simply working harder. And if you are waiting for them to give back you are going to wait a long time because they are buying ridiculous yachts and going to space. People who work just as hard, if missing a pay check, find themselves in a food line or face eviction. A rising tide lifts all boats right? And this is not a socialist or communist sentiment. There seems to be a dominant thought that when others gain, you lose. Not you personally. That type of thinking is backwards imo. No mention? Lol. It’s the ONLY thing mentioned in leftist media. So, plenty of mention. This is what I am accusing everyone else of with this thread. Unhinged folks- some of whom are members of congress- are attempting to orchestrate attacks on our democracy. But, because all of it is occurring under the guise of “anti-racism” instead of “make America great again” nobody seems willing to speak out against it. I don’t necessarily disagree with you on the economic stuff. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary. The problem is there are people explicitly stating they want to abolish capitalism entirely. And then there are many more who all but do this, but dance around the question “Do you want to abolish capitalism?” Much of the left went from Bernie’s campaign in 2016 and proceeded to shift radically left from there. Five years of attacks and amplifications of Trump by the media has a lot to do with that IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, badrouter said: . And then there are many more who all but do this, but dance around the question “Do you want to abolish capitalism?” You sound like a broken record...🤪 PS: Just an fyi... but WC is a pee brained kiddie who thinks the world is not "working for him" 👌 As seen in everything he types 👍 IE 1 hour ago, World Citizen said: It is not working . ....for you. 🙄 (PS: and some people call communism...."When everyone waits around for everyone else (as in the rest of the world 🌎) to do all the work FOR them" ) 🤓 but I DID think your moral from your post was stellar...⭐ ...even if you know not why 🤣 check it. 1 hour ago, World Citizen said: A rising tide lifts all boats right? And this is not a socialist or communist sentiment. There seems to be a dominant thought that when others gain, you lose. Not you personally. That type of thinking is backwards imo. Well Dayum son.... Ya just shot down all yer "white fragility", they are doing better than others, excuse for a way of thinking... And you were Soooooooo fond of that idea toooooo........ Oh well..... 🤷♂️ BTW: That would probably hold true for asian students, like bruce lee trying to get into a decent college, as well....wouldn't you say? 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Troll said: You sound like a broken record...🤪 Unfortunately, that's how it has to be now. People are not being forthcoming about what they really want to see happen. And the result is that others, when trying to decide what to support or oppose, end up being misled and potentially supporting movements that seek things they really wouldn't support if they knew what is up. -The irony of the leftists repeating the insult that those opposing CRT and friends are really just right wing operatives who don't know what CRT is, is that the overwhelming majority of leftists supporting it also have no idea what it is. They just know that Joy Reid and the like tell them that anyone opposing any of it is automatically racist, and thus should be dismissed. They don't realize there are classrooms where 3rd graders are being forced to rank themselves as "oppressors" or "oppressed", or that "separate but equal" spaces based on race are VERY popular again. -We see the same thing with "defund the police". Many lefties were totally useful idiots around the idea, genuinely believing that those leading the charge simply wanted a more reasonable distribution of funds, away from military grade equipment and towards community support, counseling etc. These folks really were oblivious to the fact that those leading the "defund" movement truly want to abolish all police and prisons. People wanting to abolish all police are getting tremendous support from others who think the movement is something totally anodyne. - And it's the same with capitalism vs. socialism/communism. Most of us are very concerned about wealth inequality, the lack of even playing fields etc. We think all corporations should have to pay taxes, CEO pay should be more reasonable relative to employee pay, nobody should be financially ruined because of medical expenses etc. But, many people who feel this way don't realize the more radical voices who are leading the cultural charge really want to abolish the concept of private property; they want everything to be cooperatively owned, and free to be taken according to perceived need. So, there is a need to continue trying to pin people down and admit what they really want to see happen. They don't want to do this, because they know the more radical ideas may cause them to lose support. And they like having the useful idiots involved supporting them as they try to destroy the country from within. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, badrouter said: Unfortunately, that's how it has to be now. People are not being forthcoming about what they really want to see happen. And the result is that others, when trying to decide what to support or oppose, end up being misled and potentially supporting movements that seek things they really wouldn't support if they knew what is up. -The irony of the leftists repeating the insult that those opposing CRT and friends are really just right wing operatives who don't know what CRT is, is that the overwhelming majority of leftists supporting it also have no idea what it is. They just know that Joy Reid and the like tell them that anyone opposing any of it is automatically racist, and thus should be dismissed. They don't realize there are classrooms where 3rd graders are being forced to rank themselves as "oppressors" or "oppressed", or that "separate but equal" spaces based on race are VERY popular again. -We see the same thing with "defund the police". Many lefties were totally useful idiots around the idea, genuinely believing that those leading the charge simply wanted a more reasonable distribution of funds, away from military grade equipment and towards community support, counseling etc. These folks really were oblivious to the fact that those leading the "defund" movement truly want to abolish all police and prisons. People wanting to abolish all police are getting tremendous support from others who think the movement is something totally anodyne. - And it's the same with capitalism vs. socialism/communism. Most of us are very concerned about wealth inequality, the lack of even playing fields etc. We think all corporations should have to pay taxes, CEO pay should be more reasonable relative to employee pay, nobody should be financially ruined because of medical expenses etc. But, many people who feel this way don't realize the more radical voices who are leading the cultural charge really want to abolish the concept of private property; they want everything to be cooperatively owned, and free to be taken according to perceived need. So, there is a need to continue trying to pin people down and admit what they really want to see happen. They don't want to do this, because they know the more radical ideas may cause them to lose support. And they like having the useful idiots involved supporting them as they try to destroy the country from within. TLDNR 🤣 but the first sentence made your point. 😏 if you say so... and don't let me interrupt your fun then. 🙄 PS: I guess it all depends on how much time you think the credibility of the claims are worth... go figure. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted July 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Troll said: TLDNR 🤣 but the first sentence made your point. 😏 if you say so... and don't let me interrupt your fun then. 🙄 PS: I guess it all depends on how much time you think the credibility of the claims are worth... go figure. 🤔 The value of the time is dependent on the degree to which others are informed or persuaded. That may be nil. But, considering what I think we are facing, I think it's worth a shot. It also largely depends on whether or not this thread shows up in google searches. Obviously, the registered members here aren't engaged with any sort of open mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, badrouter said: The value of the time is dependent on the degree to which others are informed or persuaded. That may be nil. But, considering what I think we are facing, I think it's worth a shot. It also largely depends on whether or not this thread shows up in google searches. Obviously, the registered members here aren't engaged with any sort of open mind. I agree... this would probably classify more as a spot to vent and have a little fun ... You certainly are not broadcasting your message to the masses here LOLOL. and crisis is crisis..... it is always there in some form. People respond differently to it, but I have never found 'alarm', to be of any 'real' assistance. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted September 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Radical teacher lays out his plans to spend his 180 days of the school year to turn his students into revolutionaries. This is what’s known as “praxis” in CRT. Link to video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted September 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 The teacher will now be fired. Link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 6/22/2021 at 12:40 PM, badrouter said: Let me get a few things out of the way here up front: - The contents of what I link below, particularly the "Burn Down the American Plantation" pdf, is some insane stuff. I acknowledge the primary inclination among many will be to dismiss it on those grounds. I haven't written about this publicly yet. And, it's because I realize that there is so little verifiable about RAM that I am likely to face embarrassment simply by bringing any of it up. Here the worst that can happen-that Atticus Finch will call me names- already happens on a daily basis anyway. 😂 - The anonymous nature of the project means I am unable to refute any assertions that the person(s) behind it are/is some loon in his mom's basement. I can't say that isn't the case. - I have no way to know if the voice on the disturbing video on the home page is Colin Kaepernick. It may not be Colin Kaepernick speaking. However, there are some things that we do know. We do know the idea of "abolition" is ascendant. We do know there is a well-publicized project about this. You may recognize some of the names involved with it. The ideas shared in the project align quite closely with what RAM argues in its papers. We also know that Black Lives Matter and its adherents frequently talk about abolition BLMLA discussion about abolishing all systems and structures they deem to be racist. . They mention the desire to abolish all systems and structures that they deem to be racist/white supremacist. They also state that capitalism, the police, prisons, gender roles and, frankly, EVERYTHING about America is systemically racist. It *isn't* some sort of straw-man to say they are pushing to destroy America. They all but say as much as it is. So, when we come across an admittedly anonymous project that *explicitly* calls for the destruction of America, and it uses nearly identical language and ideas to the kinds referenced above, should we be surprised? Exactly how insanely irrelevant is the project linked below, given the obvious consistency in ideas shared? I'll probably share some screenshots from the texts below eventually. But, you really have to view the video on the homepage, and then read the pdf, both linked below. They amount to a detailed, clearly academically inspired, plan to overthrow the government, abolish capitalism, abolish police, abolish prisons and abolish gender. And those ideas clearly have traction presently. Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement web page. Burn Down the Plantation PDF The website linked in the OP has been banished from the internet. My current hypothesis is that Homeland Security recognizes the movement described in this thread as the greatest threat to the nation. Because the movement claims to be against white supremacy, and that in and of itself is a noble goal, the department has chosen a strategy of stating publicly that white supremacy/nationalism is the greatest threat. Fighting white supremacy (whatever that's supposed to look like in practice) is a worthwhile endeavor, AND taking such a public stance *may* assuage the groups comprising the true greatest threat, to a point where they don't gather enough steam to actually take actions which really do endanger the country. Teachers' unions actively seeking to shut schools down NOW are a part of this abolitionist movement. They are engaged in a "trickle up" process aimed at destroying the country. The large scale, coordinated robberies are part of this as well. Not to mention the riots and actions from related groups like antifa. So, there is massive work to be done. The threat is very real and quite substantial. We've never seen such widespread, large scale efforts BY PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTRY working to destroy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 There are myriad websites, groups, Twitter profiles etc all dedicated towards this movement. They know they have to be "decentralized", so as to keep many moving targets. One such website currently up is 8toabolition. From the website: "We believe in a world where there are zero police murders because there are zero police, not because police are better trained or better regulated—indeed, history has shown that ending police violence through more training or regulations is impossible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, badrouter said: Teachers' unions actively seeking to shut schools down NOW are a part of this abolitionist movement. They are engaged in a "trickle up" process aimed at destroying the country. The large scale, coordinated robberies are part of this as well. Not to mention the riots and actions from related groups like antifa. So, there is massive work to be done. The threat is very real and quite substantial. We've never seen such widespread, large scale efforts BY PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTRY working to destroy it. You sound like the Unabomber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: You sound like the Unabomber. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 15 hours ago, badrouter said: How so? Long rambling paragraphs that attempt to tie loosely related groups and/or topics into a great conspiracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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