Why is Saban pissed ?

[FreeBird]

Do elite players  really wanna play at aa HBCU or is it they just wanna play for prime time Deion sanders, how many people would even know about Jackson state if Prime wasn’t the HC for them?

[RedZone]

36 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I just know that I've never seen a Colquitt kid ask about or tweet or anything about "Where are the hbcu's at?" until this year. 

This coming from a kid with offers from everywhere that's anywhere. 

 

 

The Grambling St 2022 roster has 5 from Georgia, Hawg.

A bunch from Texas, California, Florida and etc....of course it's dominated by Louisiana kids.

https://gsutigers.com/sports/football/roster

Better get some cable TV down there, Hawg........just messing with you. 😀

 

 

[RedZone]

1 minute ago, FreeBird said:

Do elite players  really wanna play at aa HBCU or is it they just wanna play for prime time Deion sanders, how many people would even know about Jackson state if Prime wasn’t the HC for them?

One of the best RBs in NFL history went to Jackson St......I wouldn't expect you to know that or who it is.

Take a guess. Pretend it's a SAT test. Pick one.

 

1	Emmitt Smith	18,355
2	Walter Payton	16,726
3	Frank Gore	16,000
4	Barry Sanders	15,269

 

[Horsefly]

2 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

My point exactly. So why is Saban pissed?

 

Because he’s potentially losing out on some athletes and or he may not want to see them going to HBCUs.  

[FreeBird]

2 minutes ago, RedZone said:

One of the best RBs in NFL history went to Jackson St......I wouldn't expect you to know that or who it is.

Take a guess. Pretend it's a SAT test. Pick one.

 

1	Emmitt Smith	18,355
2	Walter Payton	16,726
3	Frank Gore	16,000
4	Barry Sanders	15,269

 

Frank gore went to Miami so scratch that guy off and I wasn’t born yet when others played so I wouldn’t know emit smith played at a Florida so my guess is either barrry sanders or Walter Payton but I wouldn’t know cause I wasn’t even alive when 3/4 of these guys were in the league 

[steeler01]

1 minute ago, FreeBird said:

Frank gore went to Miami so scratch that guy off and I wasn’t born yet when others played so I wouldn’t know emit smith played at a Florida so my guess is either barrry sanders or Walter Payton but I wouldn’t know cause I wasn’t even alive when 3/4 of these guys were in the league 

Walter 

 

Barry-Okie state

Emmitt- Florida

Frank- Miami

[RedZone]

Walter Payton was so good!!!!

 

[steeler01]

31 minutes ago, Rufus69 said:

Money?

MONEY?

MONEY?

 

If Texas A&M wants a player in this new era of NIL (the way it currently stands)...there are not many universities that can compete with the Aggies when it comes to Bag Day.

 

GOSPEL !!!!!!

 

 

Rufus>>

I like the fact that A&M can become a top school. 

[Rufus69]

28 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

No problem. The conditions in many homes of the young athlete are not ideal, with most suffering from societal ill's that many are aware of and some  are not aware of. Living in a situation or place that has little prospects of escaping, allows for the mental development of certain thoughts associated with decision making, no matter the subject. 

 

What has that got to do with...why is Saban pissed?

 

 

Rufus>>

[FreeBird]

I’ll be honest I hope everyone one of y’all schools get shut down for paying players and The scarlet knights are the only team left cause we didn’t have money in escrow to pay for the top recruits 

 

#RollRutgers 🗡😏

[RedZone]

Fun HBCU fact...

When Eddie Robinson was at Grambling St, La they were a NFL factory. Robinson won 9 Black College National Championships and kids wanted to play for Eddie Robinson from all over the nation. He was a legend, BUT he had talent and plenty of it. Eddie Robinson is currently 3rd in all time wins at the college level.

Deion Sanders will never be Eddie Robinson, forget about it. Sanders gets a one 5* and now everyone's talking HBCU football??? Really?... .that how it works?

Grambling St NFL Drafts 70's.........some of those 60's Grambling St teams sent double-digits to the NFL too.

1970	3	15	67	Glenn Alexander	Buffalo Bills	DB
	4	10	88	Delles Howell	New Orleans Saints	DB
	5	18	122	Billy Newsome	Baltimore Colts	DE
	11	5	265	Terry Williams	Buffalo Bills	RB
	11	6	266	Samuel Wallace	Cincinnati Bengals	T
	11	26	286	Bill O'Neal	Kansas City Chiefs	RB
	12	7	293	Robert Jones	Philadelphia Eagles	DT
	16	10	400	Cliff Gasper	New Orleans Saints	DT
	17	13	429	Walter Breaux	New York Giants	DT
1971	1	5	5	Richard Harris	Philadelphia Eagles	DE
	1	8	8	Frank Lewis	Pittsburgh Steelers	WR
	2	5	31	Samuel Holden	New Orleans Saints	G
	2	16	42	Scott Lewis	Kansas City Chiefs	DE
	2	20	46	Virgil Robinson	Green Bay Packers	RB
	4	2	80	Joe Carter	Dallas Cowboys	TE
	5	5	109	Willie Armstrong	Houston Oilers	RB
	17	18	434	Coleman Zeno	New York Giants	WR
1972	3	3	55	John Mendenhall	New York Giants	DT
	3	23	75	Solomon Freelon	Houston Oilers	G
	4	16	94	Andrew Howard	Atlanta Falcons	DT
	11	15	275	Jack Phillips	Atlanta Falcons	WR
1973	8	8	190	Lee Fobbs	Buffalo Bills	RB
	10	6	240	Matthew Reed	Buffalo Bills	QB
	15	21	385	Walter Baisy	Dallas Cowboys	LB
	17	14	430	John Billizon	New York Giants	DE
1974	5	20	124	Charles Battle	New England Patriots	DE
	6	23	153	Bill Bryant	Cincinnati Bengals	DB
	8	2	184	Ezil Bibbs	New York Giants	DE
	15	4	368	Oliver Alexander	Chicago Bears	TE
1975	1	8	8	Gary Johnson	San Diego Chargers	DT
	2	25	51	Bob Barber	Pittsburgh Steelers	DE
	6	16	146	Jesse O'Neal	Houston Oilers	DE
1976	1	10	10	James Hunter	Detroit Lions	DB
	2	26	54	Sammy White	Minnesota Vikings	WR
	4	7	99	Mike St. Clair	Cleveland Browns	DE
	4	21	113	Ron Singleton	San Diego Chargers	TE
	5	31	155	Dwight Scales	Los Angeles Rams	WR
	6	12	168	Robert Pennywell	San Francisco 49ers	LB
	8	20	229	Bobby Simon	Houston Oilers	T
	10	13	278	Art Gilliam	Denver Broncos	DE
1978	1	17	17	Doug Williams	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	QB
	3	21	77	Carlos Pennywell	New England Patriots	WR
	5	24	134	Robert Woods	Kansas City Chiefs	WR
1979	3	21	77	Bruce Radford	Denver Broncos	DE
	4	19	101	Charles Johnson	Atlanta Falcons	DB
1980	7	7	172	Mike Smith	Atlanta Falcons	WR
	11	9	286	Joe Gordon	Buffalo Bills	DT
1981	10	2	250	Mike Barker	New York Giants	DT

 

Head Coach at: Grambling State

Coaching Years: 1941-1997

Wins/Losses/Ties: 408-167-16

Winning Percentage: 70.4 percent

Eddie Robinson (born in 1919) started coaching the Grambling State Tigers before World War II (1941) and finally retired, after 55 seasons, in 1997.

While at Grambling, Robinson captured 18 conference titles and nine Black National Championships (1955, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1983 and 1992).

[Wildcat Will]

1 hour ago, Rufus69 said:

What has that got to do with...why is Saban pissed?

 

 

Rufus>>

Because he insinuated that in order for JSU to get a top athlete, they had to pay him. He said the same thing regarding A&M.

Maybe he did not mean for it to come out like it did but it did and thus.........an apology followed.

[HawgGoneIt]

2 hours ago, RedZone said:

The Grambling St 2022 roster has 5 from Georgia, Hawg.

A bunch from Texas, California, Florida and etc....of course it's dominated by Louisiana kids.

https://gsutigers.com/sports/football/roster

Better get some cable TV down there, Hawg........just messing with you. 😀

 

 

Oh I know. I remember when FAMU was quite the destination for football players around here too. 

However, you rarely see a star kid tweeting an offer from there, or, asking why he doesn't have one from there. 

We also have Albany State University near me that picks up mostly marginal talents from the region. 

It just does seem like the Deion effect has some legs on it for the time being anyway.

[RedZone]

19 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Fun HBCU fact...

When Eddie Robinson was at Grambling St, La they were a NFL factory. Robinson won 9 Black College National Championships and kids wanted to play for Eddie Robinson from all over the nation. He was a legend, BUT he had talent and plenty of it. Eddie Robinson is currently 3rd in all time wins at the college level.

Deion Sanders will never be Eddie Robinson, forget about it. Sanders gets a one 5* and now everyone's talking HBCU football??? Really?... .that how it works?

Grambling St NFL Drafts 70's.........some of those 60's Grambling St teams sent double-digits to the NFL too.

1970	3	15	67	Glenn Alexander	Buffalo Bills	DB
	4	10	88	Delles Howell	New Orleans Saints	DB
	5	18	122	Billy Newsome	Baltimore Colts	DE
	11	5	265	Terry Williams	Buffalo Bills	RB
	11	6	266	Samuel Wallace	Cincinnati Bengals	T
	11	26	286	Bill O'Neal	Kansas City Chiefs	RB
	12	7	293	Robert Jones	Philadelphia Eagles	DT
	16	10	400	Cliff Gasper	New Orleans Saints	DT
	17	13	429	Walter Breaux	New York Giants	DT
1971	1	5	5	Richard Harris	Philadelphia Eagles	DE
	1	8	8	Frank Lewis	Pittsburgh Steelers	WR
	2	5	31	Samuel Holden	New Orleans Saints	G
	2	16	42	Scott Lewis	Kansas City Chiefs	DE
	2	20	46	Virgil Robinson	Green Bay Packers	RB
	4	2	80	Joe Carter	Dallas Cowboys	TE
	5	5	109	Willie Armstrong	Houston Oilers	RB
	17	18	434	Coleman Zeno	New York Giants	WR
1972	3	3	55	John Mendenhall	New York Giants	DT
	3	23	75	Solomon Freelon	Houston Oilers	G
	4	16	94	Andrew Howard	Atlanta Falcons	DT
	11	15	275	Jack Phillips	Atlanta Falcons	WR
1973	8	8	190	Lee Fobbs	Buffalo Bills	RB
	10	6	240	Matthew Reed	Buffalo Bills	QB
	15	21	385	Walter Baisy	Dallas Cowboys	LB
	17	14	430	John Billizon	New York Giants	DE
1974	5	20	124	Charles Battle	New England Patriots	DE
	6	23	153	Bill Bryant	Cincinnati Bengals	DB
	8	2	184	Ezil Bibbs	New York Giants	DE
	15	4	368	Oliver Alexander	Chicago Bears	TE
1975	1	8	8	Gary Johnson	San Diego Chargers	DT
	2	25	51	Bob Barber	Pittsburgh Steelers	DE
	6	16	146	Jesse O'Neal	Houston Oilers	DE
1976	1	10	10	James Hunter	Detroit Lions	DB
	2	26	54	Sammy White	Minnesota Vikings	WR
	4	7	99	Mike St. Clair	Cleveland Browns	DE
	4	21	113	Ron Singleton	San Diego Chargers	TE
	5	31	155	Dwight Scales	Los Angeles Rams	WR
	6	12	168	Robert Pennywell	San Francisco 49ers	LB
	8	20	229	Bobby Simon	Houston Oilers	T
	10	13	278	Art Gilliam	Denver Broncos	DE
1978	1	17	17	Doug Williams	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	QB
	3	21	77	Carlos Pennywell	New England Patriots	WR
	5	24	134	Robert Woods	Kansas City Chiefs	WR
1979	3	21	77	Bruce Radford	Denver Broncos	DE
	4	19	101	Charles Johnson	Atlanta Falcons	DB
1980	7	7	172	Mike Smith	Atlanta Falcons	WR
	11	9	286	Joe Gordon	Buffalo Bills	DT
1981	10	2	250	Mike Barker	New York Giants	DT

 

Head Coach at: Grambling State

Coaching Years: 1941-1997

Wins/Losses/Ties: 408-167-16

Winning Percentage: 70.4 percent

Eddie Robinson (born in 1919) started coaching the Grambling State Tigers before World War II (1941) and finally retired, after 55 seasons, in 1997.

While at Grambling, Robinson captured 18 conference titles and nine Black National Championships (1955, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1983 and 1992).

Eddie Robinson also coached 4 NFL Hall of Famers...I knew it was a couple or 3.

All 4 of those guys were great.....

"Four of the players he coached have been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame – Buck Buchanan (KC Chiefs), Willie Brown (Oakland Raiders), Charlie Joiner (Houston Oilers), and five-time World Champion, Willie Davis (Green Bay Packers)."Ja

[RedZone]

8 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

However, you rarely see a star kid tweeting an offer from there,

It's pretty common in Louisiana........you have to remember FCS can only really pull 15 or 16 kids per year. I think maybe HBCU's are less than that even though they are really FCS schools. Would have to check. I know FCS schools are allowed 63 total scholarships.

Grambling St  had 15 commits last year which includes 4 transfers....so maybe it's about the same.

https://247sports.com/college/grambling-state/Season/2022-Football/Commits/

[RedZone]

47 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Oh I know. I remember when FAMU was quite the destination for football players around here too. 

However, you rarely see a star kid tweeting an offer from there, or, asking why he doesn't have one from there. 

We also have Albany State University near me that picks up mostly marginal talents from the region. 

It just does seem like the Deion effect has some legs on it for the time being anyway.

Black Colleges cannot make many offers and they tend to go after the 3* and 2* prospects when they do offer.....

Grambling St for example has just one offer in Georgia so far this year and it's to 4* DE AJ Hoffler from Woodward Academy (Atlanta)........I mean Grambling St is NOT going to get AJ Hoffler, but AJ recognized the offer.

Maybe AJ has family in Louisiana or something........lol

 

 

[RedZone]

2 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Black Colleges cannot make many offers and they tend to go after the 3* and 2* prospects when they do offer.....

Grambling St for example has just one offer in Georgia so far this year and it's to 4* DE AJ Hoffler from Woodward Academy (Atlanta)........I mean Grambling St is NOT going to get AJ Hoffler, but AJ recognized the offer.

Maybe AJ has family in Louisiana or something........lol

 

 

Guess you have to click view to get the entire tweet...

[Wildcat Will]

2 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Oh I know. I remember when FAMU was quite the destination for football players around here too. 

However, you rarely see a star kid tweeting an offer from there, or, asking why he doesn't have one from there. 

We also have Albany State University near me that picks up mostly marginal talents from the region. 

It just does seem like the Deion effect has some legs on it for the time being anyway.

Quite often, these programs don't think they have a chance in hell to get the upper echelon players. That is why they never get offered.

[Cossacks]

4 hours ago, Wildcat Will said:

And I have seen can't miss kids go to power 5 schools with all the trappings and never achieve that lofty status they seek.

Times are changing and the athlete of today has a myriad of choices with incentives, no matter where they go.

This I do agree with to a point. Yes kids overreach and want to be a P5 guy when really it’s not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, especially where they can’t play at that level. There is nothing wrong with D2, FBS,  NAIA etc. if your good they’ll find you. I just think kids don’t look at it that way and they don’t look at the big picture.

[RedZone]

LSU will play the Southern Jaguar this year and the Grambling St. Tiger in 2023...

It will mark the first time LSU has ever played the two Black Colleges in Louisiana.

I don't think anyone really cares. All they are interested in is seeing if Deion Sanders can get another D1 football player and listening to that guy run his mouth.

 

 

 

[RedZone]

Some P5 transfers Grambling St picked up in 2022. There's a lot going on in HBCU football that no one even knows about. People know Deion Sanders though. smdh

....3* QB California, 4* RB Texas and 4* DB New Orleans.

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/04/01/grambling-state-spring-game-power-five-transfers-to-watch/

Kijiya Hollowayane, Quarterback 

https://247sports.com/Player/Kajiya-Hollawayne-46079812/high-school-229124/

A 6-4, 210-pound dual-threat quarterback from Jacinto (Calif.), Hollawayne was ranked as a three-star prospect by 247 Sports, and rated as the 59th best quarterback in the 2021 class. He had offers from Kansas, Nevada, Indiana, Fresno State and several other FBS programs, but he chose UCLA. He never saw the field there, but should get his chance to show what he can do Saturday. Noah Bodden, GSU’s highly-regarded signee from its 2021 class, is still on the roster as well. 

Maurice Washington, Running Back 

https://247sports.com/Player/Maurice-Washington-90706/high-school-174235/

Washington played two seasons at Nebraska, where he finished 455 rushing yards and 221 receiving yards, averaged 5.9 yards per carry and scored three rushing touchdowns with a receiving touchdown to boot. Washington played in seven games the following season, rushing for 298 yards with an average of six yards per rush. He caught 12 passes for 162 yards and two scores that year as well. Grambling also brings back last season’s leading rusher in C.J. Russell (429 yards) as well as Keilon Elder.

Devin Bush, Safety

https://247sports.com/Player/Devin-Bush-46038772/high-school-189795/

The New Orleans native has three years of eligibility remaining as he joins Grambling after transferring from Arkansas. Bush played at Edna Karr and was rated as a four-star prospect coming out of high school for the class of 2019. He was rated as the No. 13 overall player in Louisiana according to 247Sports and was rated as the No. 28 overall cornerback. He initially committed to Southern before flipping to Grambling State. Former Cal defensive back Jaylen Martin will be in the defensive backfield as well. 

[Wildcat Will]

11 hours ago, FreeBird said:

Do elite players  really wanna play at aa HBCU or is it they just wanna play for prime time Deion sanders, how many people would even know about Jackson state if Prime wasn’t the HC for them?

Plenty people know of them. Your zip code isolation is showing.

[FreeBird]

2 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

Plenty people know of them. Your zip code isolation is showing.

I know of Towson tigers, doesn’t mean they are good

[Horsefly]

12 hours ago, FreeBird said:

Do elite players  really wanna play at aa HBCU or is it they just wanna play for prime time Deion sanders, how many people would even know about Jackson state if Prime wasn’t the HC for them?

Well, its kind of the same question of Bama.  How many kids are wanting to play for Saban as opposed to the school? (In many cases the HC makes the program) 

[FreeBird]

8 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Well, its kind of the same question of Bama.  How many kids are wanting to play for Saban as opposed to the school? (In many cases the HC makes the program) 

Prolly a good amount but let’s talk img, they got a new HC every two years why do the top kids go there consistently for last 10-12 years, it’s not the coaches, they go there cause the name of school and how Good of Facility and equipment they got, Bama probably spent more on their locker room then all HBCU schools football budgets combined