badrouter Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Would that be the end of the world? I think Mater Dei is the best team this year. I'm OK with the loss knocking them down from national champion status. But, I fail to see another team that is more deserving. It certainly isn't a St. John Bosco team that lost at home by two touchdowns to Mater Dei. Simply anointing a team #1 doesn't make them worthy. Many years, there is no team deserving of being THE top team in the country. If ever there was a year, it was this year...before Saturday night. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalnut Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, badrouter said: Would that be the end of the world? I think Mater Dei is the best team this year. I'm OK with the loss knocking them down from national champion status. But, I fail to see another team that is more deserving. It certainly isn't a St. John Bosco team that lost at home by two touchdowns to Mater Dei. Simply anointing a team #1 doesn't make them worthy. Many years, there is no team deserving of being THE top team in the country. If ever there was a year, it was this year...before Saturday night. Unless they have a national tournament with at least 32 teams the crowned champion is just an opinion poll winner. Most years, unless the teams played, 5 to 7 teams have a legit case for the Natty. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, badrouter said: I think St. John Bosco was the best team in 2018. I'm OK with the loss knocking them down from national champion status. But, I fail to see another team that is more deserving. It certainly isn't a Mater Dei team that lost at home by 3+ touchdowns to St. John Bosco. Hmm, you may have a point. We may need to go back last year and strip MD of their MNCs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 STA will be NC, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 If SJB struggles with DLS then DV will have a shot at leapfrogging both of the TL powers if they throttle NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, 181pl said: STA will be NC, unfortunately. In a few bias polls maybe But it likely will be a multiple team split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, dntn31 said: Hmm, you may have a point. We may need to go back last year and strip MD of their MNCs. OK. I'm fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Omaha Vol said: If SJB struggles with DLS then DV will have a shot at leapfrogging both of the TL powers if they throttle NS. But that wouldn't mean Duncanville has any special claim to be THE champion. They'd just be named as such because people feel like there HAS to be someone named #1. That's dumb IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, badrouter said: But that wouldn't mean Duncanville has any special claim to be THE champion. They'd just be named as such because people feel like there HAS to be someone named #1. That's dumb IMO. Or you could watch all four teams and decide for yourself, Einstein. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: Or you could watch all four teams and decide for yourself, Einstein. You must not be understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that it may just be that there should be no decision. Nobody has to decide anyone is THE number one team in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, badrouter said: You must not be understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that it may just be that there should be no decision. Nobody has to decide anyone is THE number one team in the country. But they will. It's inevitable. We see year after year all of the mental contortionism that it takes to create the exact mnc that the polls wanted to have from day one. What makes 1 loss MD any more deserving this year than a possible undefeated Duncanville? In your opinion of course. Let the mental contortionism begin... begin... begin... Ready Set Goooooo! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, badrouter said: You must not be understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that it may just be that there should be no decision. Nobody has to decide anyone is THE number one team in the country. Of course, no one person should decide who THE best team in the country is, but some will have their own opinions (myself included). To me that’s fun, not dumb. It’s just someone’s opinion.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: Of course, no one person should decide who THE best team in the country is, but some will have their own opinions (myself included). To me that’s fun, not dumb. It’s just someone’s opinion.... Yes, but these things are never presented as mere opinion. There will be trophies and congratulations offered and photo opps with "the national champions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, badrouter said: You must not be understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that it may just be that there should be no decision. Nobody has to decide anyone is THE number one team in the country. This has been the case for the past 120 years and the reason for the "M" in "MNC". I don't think anyone disagrees that it's impossible to objectively determine a best team in the entire country (and likely never will), but humans have an inherent desire to classify and rank things. You are fighting over a century of inertia that doesn't appear to be slowing down. I think the question is, why is this all of a sudden bothering you only now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, dntn31 said: This has been the case for the past 120 years and the reason for the "M" in "MNC". I don't think anyone disagrees that it's impossible to objectively determine a best team in the entire country (and likely never will), but humans have an inherent desire to classify and rank things. You are fighting over a century of inertia that doesn't appear to be slowing down. I think the question is, why is this all of a sudden bothering you only now? What makes you think it is only bothering me now? Allegiance to a particular team? That would be odd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 If things play out as projected — SJB will won all computers and most human polls, right or wrong — I think most of us experts would have some consensus around Md actually being the best team, TX and GA notably abstaining as the the 2 power speakers for the undefeated, big school state, power state champions — DV likely to get a poll or two as long as they win out, right or wrong — STA has several narrow paths: 1) @Omaha Vol’s description above if an STA rout of StL combined with a sluggish SJB performance vs DLS — would probably lose SJB the human pills they currently lead in 2) DLS wins — yes, the odds are a zillion to one, but this is only outcome that I think would drop SJB in computers (any win over DLS would help in computers) or 3) With no TX 6A undefeated champ, STA emerges as best unbeaten — I suppose Lowndes has a case among those that insist for an undefeated MNC if STA loses — except that StL’s would be better at that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 hours ago, badrouter said: Would that be the end of the world? I think Mater Dei is the best team this year. I'm OK with the loss knocking them down from national champion status. But, I fail to see another team that is more deserving. It certainly isn't a St. John Bosco team that lost at home by two touchdowns to Mater Dei. Simply anointing a team #1 doesn't make them worthy. Many years, there is no team deserving of being THE top team in the country. If ever there was a year, it was this year...before Saturday night. Somebody gets to win it. MD lost in playoffs, just like the all time best 18-0 Patriots lost in Super Bowl to Giants. For that loss, they will never be recognised as one of the greats. Same with this yrs MD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, CaliNorth said: Somebody gets to win it. MD lost in playoffs, just like the all time best 18-0 Patriots lost in Super Bowl to Giants. For that loss, they will never be recognised as one of the greats. Same with this yrs MD. Why? The NFL has playoffs that all teams in the league have an opportunity to qualify for and play in. How would, say, Lowndes, get to face off with any of the other teams supposedly in the running for this mythical-but-actually-everyone-takes-it-as-the-gospel title? Same question about Duncanville and I could name more. I've already conceded the loss knocks MD off of any title rung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, badrouter said: mythical-but-actually-everyone-takes-it-as-the-gospel title I think your premise is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Let’s have a mock trial. The Commissioner could be Judge and guys from NJ, AZ, and Ohio could be the Jury the following teams need Counsel: STA DV SJB Lowndes MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 MD is out. If you're not a state champ, too bad. They played a GREAT schedule and are likely the best team, but you have to "finish". They didn't last year and were still rewarded (loss and a forfeit). Won't happen twice. DV has a legit claim if they get through the Texas guantlet. They did beat a very good St. Johns, but so did 4 other teams, so that's not much of a measuring stick this year. STA has to defeat Edgewater and play one more OOS. They beat DLS, the most consistent program in the United States over the last 30 years. Geico? Maybe a bowl arranged with Lowndes involving less travel could be set up (Nolebull?). Lowndes- See STA above. St. Louis- Long shot. Hawaii? I just don't see it unless they blow out a big school state champ from a power state. SJB- Would have avenged only loss and if they destroy DLS, they have a strong case. I think people want an undefeated champ, but they certainly have a strong case. Too bad they can't play FL, Texas, or GA post season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Barring some grand statement in the Geico thingy, DV gets the nod if they run the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Right now this conversation seems premature. It's like wasting time on whether a 1 loss Alabama should have made the CFB playoff... until they had 2 losses. Let's circle back on this in 3 weeks. Way too much football left to be played. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Norcalnut said: Unless they have a national tournament with at least 32 teams A little overkill. 8 teams is probably sufficient. 16 would extend the season too long...… 8 means 3 extra games as is to the two finalists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Pertaining to the public schools, let's take a look at Duncanville and Lowndes. If both teams run the table, who'd have a better argument for the MNC? Compare the regular season and playoff run for both teams.... Who would y'all give the upper hand to? Both are these teams are great by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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